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Gaim Renamed — Now Pidgin IM

An anonymous reader writes "Announced on the Gaim mailing lists earlier today, the Gaim project is being renamed. This follows a lengthy and, unfortunately, secret legal process with AOL, which also prevented any code releases except betas. The project will now be known as Pidgin IM. Development is being migrated off of sourceforge.net as well and is now being hosted on developer.pidgin.im"

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  1. Can't wait to see 2.0.0 by thephotoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been playing around with the 2.0 tree of Gaim for a while now, and now that the legal issues are fixed, it'll be nice to finally see a stable release version of Gaim with a reasonable feature set. I don't care what it's called.

    Also, AOL needs to go off and die. The previous sentence is nothing but pandering to the /. crowd.

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    1. Re:Can't wait to see 2.0.0 by oyenstikker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do realize that if AOL goes of and dies then AIM will stop working, right?

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    2. Re:Can't wait to see 2.0.0 by kisielk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More likely the network would get absorbed and integrated in to either Google, MSN, or Yahoo....

  2. Seems reasonable... by ancientt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems reasonable that if your product is Product Sucks and you offer Product Sucks Messenger (PSM) and somebody else comes out with something that works like your product, only better and names it GNPSM (GPSM's Not PSM) then you'd have a reasonable complaint. It seems odd to me that this wasn't voluntarily changed years ago.

    I personally have used both products and wouldn't use the "official" AOL client if I had any choice and in fact have never personally installed it on my computers. I've had the misfortune of using computers that had it foisted on them but sometimes its hard to convince people to switch when they already have something they "know how to use."

    I'm sure the new name has wide approval and it's too late for suggestions, but I wish they'd gone with "Nonsucky Chat Client" instead.

    I know it is coming so I'll head it off, yes your client is better for whatever reason you claim. Yes, I've used IRSSI, Zinc, XChat, Mozilla's whatever it was called and others. I like the client formerly known as Gaim because it was always easy to set up and easy to use and easy to explain.

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  3. Re:Late April Fools? Please... by 644bd346996 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it's a perfect name for such a product. They obviously know how the product is used. In fact, I'm rather surprised the name wasn't already taken.

  4. A much better name! by emblemparade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The disgusting legal issues notwithstanding, I have to say I'm very pleased with the change! I really hate all the cryptic acronyms so popular in the free software world. "Gaim," especially, was awkward and ugly. Pronounced like "game", is it? "Pidgin" is a terrific name. It immediately implies what the software does, and rolls nicely off the tongue. I'm also *really* happy with 2beta6 -- it was exactly what I needed to let me leave Windows, where I was dependent on Trillian for far too long. Pidgin supported Unicode correctly, which I needed, and there's a handy plugin that lets me read all my eight years worth of Trillian logs. I'm a very happy Ubuntu user now. As long as I have the stage: I'm sorry that the Pidgin team had to endure AOL's despicable treatment. Big kudos to them for sticking through and listening to their lawyers. I feel like they "took the bullet" for a lot of us who use free software and believe that engineering achievements should be accessible to anyone, period. Y'all deserve a nice big hug for your service and commitment to the free software world.

  5. Re:Late April Fools? Please... by syousef · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please let this be a Joke thats a terrible name.

    Sadly, that's always the way with open source. I use The Gimp at work. Could you pick a worse name? I mean honestly do you know how hard it is to explain why you're using "The Gimp" or what "The Gimp" is? Until they see it's a graphical editor most people who haven't heard of it think I'm joking or their ears prick up wondering if they're going to have to call HR. You have Photoshop, Paintshop pro, and other well named image editors then you have "The Gimp". I mean honestly who comes up with this shit? Once you get past the name, it's a damn capable product even if it's not a total Photoshop replacement.

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  6. OMG by davie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Results 1 - 10 of about 3,130,000 for pidgin [definition]
    Please, for the love of God, if you're going to name a piece of software, use some made-up, bullshit name that doesn't produce over 3-fucking-million hits on google.
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  7. Re:Late April Fools? Please... by metamatic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A gimp is something well-formed, or beautiful.

    Yes, well, a faggot is a bundle of sticks tied together to be used as fuel, but that doesn't mean it would be a well-advised name for a package management system.

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  8. Tell it to AOL by Erris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    saddening to see such a massive amount of resources and time and energy spent on those issues, rather than everything else that should be done.

    Yes, it's sad. That's why I quit giving AOL my money.

    The facts laid out by the Gaim developers were:

    • GAIM had the name first
    • AOL forced them to take the name GAIM because "GTK + AOL Instant Messenger" was too infringing.
    • When AOL decided to trademark AIM, GAIM became too infringing
    • AOL systematically and repeatedly harassed the developers until they gave up

    What a bunch of assholes, but I suppose that's what runs Time Warner. "Ass on Line" sounds like a good name for them.

    Lessons learned:

    • Trademark your name right away.
    • AOL sucks
    • "IP" Law sucks, so the first lesson may also be a waste of time.

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  9. Re:Thanks Guys by Nezer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, that will show em!

    You make some interesting points but... You go off on an obscenity-filled rant that negates your stance to the extreme.

    So far you've been modded up a bit but I expect this will drop down. If you had taken a few minutes and actually constructed an intelligent reply without so many expletives I would bet your comment would be modded to +5 insightful, instead it's likely to float between Insightful and Flamebait resulting in neutral karma.

    If you really want to make a point, lay off the cursing. It just doesn't work unless, like Dennis Miller, you offset them with really large and obscure words and/or references that makes everything think you're reasonably intelligent instead of just being a whiny a douchebag.

    You will catch more flies with honey than you will by calling them "freeloading jerkoffs" wishing they would "die in a fire and of anal rape" in addition to "ass cancer."

    Seriously, who modded this crap as insightful?

    I'm off to meta-moderate now.

  10. Re:For those wondering what Pidgin means by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trademark law is weird... unlike patents, coming up with it first doesn't matter. And once you have a trademark, you must aggressively defend it in order to keep it.

    AOL may have been total dicks in this case, but its not clear that the law gives them a lot of wiggle room in this case. GAIM is a very prominent competing product with a similar name, and so it's quite likely that they could've lost their trademark right without taking this action.

    I'm no trademark lawyer, but it sure seems to me that instead of being total dicks, they could have simply granted GAIM a low or zero-cost license to the trademark. Thus "protecting" their trademark and not wasting anyone's time.
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  11. Re:IP and tradmarks... again by dodongo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But they're not talking about copyrights. They're talking about trademarks. You think any company with an enforceable brand should be forced to abandon that brand on account of arbitrary expiration dates? Twinings, the British tea company, has had an enforceable trademark on their logo for 300 years. Nobody really has legitimate grounds to suggest that's not an appropriate thing.

    (FWIW, I wholeheartedly agree with you on the issue of copyright... but let's not go getting ourselves confused).

  12. Re:IP and tradmarks... again by HeroreV · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What I'm really tired of is all the bad names in the FOSS world. "Pidgin" sounds terrible.