Critical Security Hole in Linux Wi-Fi
thisispurefud writes "A flaw has been found in a major Linux Wi-Fi driver that can allow an attacker to run malicious code and take control of a laptop, even when it is not on a Wi-Fi network."
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So here is a Linux driver problem, a patch is available, though not widely dispersed. The news here is that even in a largely neglected (though it shouldn't be) slice of the Open Source technology, specifically the deadly difficult wi-fi landscape, bugs are found and fixed right away (at least that's the gist of part of the article).
I'm more afraid of the neglected patches MSFT deems behind closed doors as not important enough to reveal to the public. How many zero-day exploits is MSFT discussing behind those closed doors right now, and what are they deciding about the fate of security to my machines?
I know I'm spinning here, but I don't find it much of a stretch to interpret this as good PR for the Linux world -- they find problems, they fix them.
(It doesn't seem to fix the other problem... I'm so sad and tired of trying to get laptops running linux reliably with wi-fi, I barely even bother messing with it anymore... If I want wireless linux on a laptop, I'm doing via Vmware's bridge. It shouldn't be like this.)
Once again, Linux is safe from such a common attack because only seven people have successfully set up WPA. If this had been a Windows flaw, where every machine natively understands WPA and no work at the command prompt is needed, this would be disastrous.
This shows that Linux has been taking the right stand. By making the machine difficult to get running, it's unlikely that the machine will be able to connect to anything and become infected. Windows made the mistake of making the machine easy to use, allowing for simply network connection and ease of ownership (OWN3D).
Dekker Dreyer
DefectiveByDesign? Oh wait ... wrong OS.
Here is a reference to a more informative report.
... this was fixed 4 months ago?
http://madwifi.org/changeset/1842
Humorous, but if someone wants a quick and painless route, check out Ubuntu. I running 7.04 beta on my laptop and wifi works well with my two very different APs in WPA(psk) mode. Installed and working, no tweaking, no manual compiling, no config file fiddling required. After running Linux for 12+ years I am quite happy with the state of Ubuntu.
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
It's interesting that people start talking about Microsoft right away in reaction to this hole, as if the only thing that matters here is how this flaw relates to Microsoft.
What I see is more the horrible state of software security. A security model that relies on all the writers of driver code in your computer to do their job right is a poor security model.
I know I'm spinning here, but I don't find it much of a stretch to interpret this as good PR for the Linux world -- they find problems, they fix them.
Great.. I guess I'd rather have the Linux World where there aren't any serious problems to begin with. The larger picture here is that computer security kinda sucks, not that Microsoft is better/worse at it than Linux is.
I'm so sad and tired of trying to get laptops running linux reliably with wi-fi, I barely even bother messing with it anymore
Huh. I've had very good luck recently with Ubuntu. The built in wifi in my laptop worked out of the box with Ubuntu, and two other cards I own worked as well.
It hasn't always been like this of course. A couple years ago WiFi support was extremely lacking.
AccountKiller
The bug was in the open source portion of the driver, the closed-source HAL merely locks the range of radio frequencies and transmit powers allowed.
You are overlooking the way that most Joe Linux users get their updates - automatically. When security flaws are found and patches are delivered, you can guarantee that the people who package that software at Redhat, Ubuntu, Debian and other major distributions are aware of the update. Those security patches will be tested and rolled out into the main update repositories, probably within 24 hours to all the mirrors worldwide. The automatic update daemon on Joe User's modern Linux distro will be downloading the update within the next 24 hours or sooner. From security patch being announced to patched home computer in 48 hours in the worst-case scenario.
One of the nicest things about the distro's automatic updates is that this applies to ALL packages in the distro. I don't need to worry about Apache needing it's own updater. So no - the average Joe running Linux does not suffer - he gets informed about the update or even has it applied without manual intervention depending on the settings. Joe benefits and so does the community who recognise that fixing security flaws promptly is key.
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
Perhaps you're thinking of OpenBSD's Theo de Raadt? He's a confirmed git. Smart and dedicated, but definitely lacking interpersonal skills.
Why is a tagging keyword 'haha'?
The madwifi howto is here. It seems that you can type, "lsmod | grep ath_pci" to find out if you are running the supposedly exploited module. My simple Etch system does not have this or wlanconfig tools by default, though those tools look very nice and I'm sure this little problem will be fixed quickly.
I have to agree with you about the uselessness of the PC World article. Besides not having any useful information, it's filled with FUD about free software wifi and confused "popularity argument" babble. In short it's more of a, "everyone else has these problems too, so Windoze away," pacifier than it is a news article.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
... this was fixed 4 months ago?It looks that way to me.
Unless this is a different vulnerability, Debian applied the fix over four months ago, two days after the patch was available, and eight days after the vulnerability was first reported
I saw the article and immediately started aptitude to get the fix, only to discover that I already got it, two weeks before Christmas. Nice.
Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
Actually, this kind of crap goes away when you stop using NULL terminated strings and put in size checks.
"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
Sorry chap, people start bashing on linux (and its users) as soon as any kind of vulnerability is found.
In this case, the vulnerability is in a 3rd party driver and not in the kernel itself. Nevertheless the not-so-techie reader just reads "Linux vulnerability".
Btw. Dont forget that the public is used to hear about Windows vulnerabilities, they dont notice them anymore.
Delta-Mike November Bravo Tango
Um, "Joe Linux" here, chiming in. I run Fedora, which was pre-installed on oddball hardware. If Fedora has automatic updates like Ubuntu, and if they just work, I sure as hell haven't heard about them. The Fedora repository is about 10% of the way to useful. 15%, when I'm feeling charitable. I'm on Core 3 because I haven't found a distro that can deal with my system, and, since I'm a biology geek not a computer geek, I have no idea what to do or the time to spend finding out.
It gets worse. I don't even know if I'm running a madwifi driver or not. I looked at the running processes, but there's nothing obvious there. I don't know if madwifi is called something else in the process list. I do know I have a Atheros chip.
The point I'm trying to make is more than just displaying ignorance. The point is that it may be hard for those of you who are close to the subject to realize just how opaque it is to those of us who aren't. If you're in the know, share their knowledge. It's kind of frustrating, from my perspective, to hear, "It's all automatic, and if it's not, you're just too hopeless to deal with."
(All that said, you're quite right that when updates are applied automatically and effectively, both the clueless and the clued benefit. That's why I'm getting my next system with Ubuntu on it!)
You won't be getting any updates for FC3 since the Fedora Project has dropped support for that. If you like the Fedora distribution you can go with FC6 or wait for May 24 when FC7 is due to be released. Otherwise, Ubuntu is a fine distribution.
Try this:
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Wait! Someone got WiFi to work in Linux!?
Okay, easy...just saying this is one area that's always been behind in Linux.
I see this "X language is magically secure" stuff all the time. No, it isn't. The fact that your language is higher-level does not make it more secure. Look at PHP. It's horrible, far worse than C.
Or perhaps you prefer Java, and think that running your code in a VM is a silver bullet. Think again. If you want that code to actually do anything, you're going to have to give it access to the outside world. Your web app can still let people do things they shouldn't. Security is not just about buffer overflows and SQL injection; it's about anything that could let someone get access they shouldn't have. Which can happen from plain old bad logic.
Admittedly, it is easy to make mistakes with C. But C is pretty much the only thing to write a kernel in. In a device driver, you have to mess around with real memory, and real IO, and that sort of thing. More importantly, C is old enough so that its common security mistakes are already known. You'd have a much harder time with some random language.
Basically, a "secure" language is not one that prevents you from doing things you shouldn't. What you want is a language that makes it easier to write secure code than to write insecure code.
It's a much more complex problem than simply using 'safe' functions. People don't always put the correct size into the size field, and there are entire classes of exploits, e.g. format string vulnerabilities, that don't use the traditional buffer overflow mechanism at all.
I've heard that the BSD folks have a saying that a bug is just an attack nobody has the intelligence to turn into an exploit yet. I take it you've never written code that crashes?
We've upped our standards. Up yours.
What part of "the flaw was in the open portion of the driver" did you manage to miss?
It doesn't seem like a campaign to me. From my vantage point (obsessively neutral about tools) it looks like insecurity masquerading as a big community hug and wank session.
People who are secure in the choices they've made don't need to trumpet them all over the place. In particular, they don't segue any possible (tenuous) link into a rant about the superiority of their choice.
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