BBC Ponders Another Games Industry Crash

weirdguy writes with a link to a BBC article that poses the same question asked by journalists every couple of years: is the games industry headed for another crash? "Yes, gamers are snapping up the new generation of games consoles — Microsoft's Xbox 360, Nintendo's Wii, and Sony's Playstation 3 [PS3], but at huge cost to the industry. Hardware makers are losing hundreds of dollars on every console sold, and games publishers face an "increasingly difficult environment, as rising development costs and small user bases [mean] that return on investment in next generation games development is unlikely to be achieved before 2008," according to media analysts Screen Digest. More importantly, though, the video games publishers are facing a revolution of their business model."

Comments

Re:Wii is not a loss leader . . .

[LWATCDR]

Nintendo's plan,
1. Sell the console for a profit,
2. Make fun games.
3. Make it cheap and easy to develop for.
4. Profit.

I still find it all very interesting. I still see the occasional article about how the PS3 will win in the end but I don't know anyone with a PS3 yet but I know a lot of people that have 360s and that want Wiis.

I predict that Microsoft will win the hardcore gamer market and possibly the video delivery market. The Wii will win the broad based gamer market. IE even the hard core gamers will have a Wii next to their 360.
Sony I just don't know. They may end up in third place this time.

Failed attempt

[Anonymous Coward]

This is another succesfull attempt at disinforming the masses.

We all know the reason for next gen consoles, excluding the Wii. They are here to satisfy another agenda.

Microsoft: Monopolise the gaming market. (DX 10, VISTA, Entertainment system)
Sony: Monopolise the DVD format market.

Move along nothing to see here.

Re:Wii is not a loss leader . . .

[shoptroll]

I think your prediction is on target if the current trends stay the course. They did a poll on GameFaqs a day or two ago asking who owned what "next-gen" system. The ranking (from top pick decresing) goes: None, Wii, XBox360, Xbox360 + Wii, PS3, All 3, PS3 + Wii, and finally PS3 + Xbox360. I'm not going even going to suggest that this is the most accurate polling system ever to grace mankind. Here's the poll results: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2722

That said, I would not classify GameFaqs as a casual gamer's haven. Most of the traffic is going to be generated by Hardcore gamers looking for info. Maybe casual players looking for info on Zelda or Final Fantasy, but if you look at the Top 10 lists, this isn't casual corner.

So, the Wii is making inroads on the hardcore gamer. Actually, I'm surprised that the system is the only next-gen system in almost 25% of the responses. With 17% dual-booting with the Wii60 combo and about 12% going it alone with the 360, I think it's very very understandable why there have been a large number of PS3 exclusives going multi-platform. Sony has, for lack of a better word, been shunned big time by the community at large.

However, it's still to early to tell if we're truly in the middle of a paradigm shift. Nintendo's strategy of appealing to a large audience with a cheaper system is obviously working. MS is holding their own, and Sony can easily get back into the game if they want to. This is still too close to call.

I think the analysts are lying

[tkrotchko]

I think for the most part the analysts are lying when they say Microsoft or Sony is losing hundreds of dollars on each console. When you look into all these pricings, they generally including costs that are comparable to retail.

Not to mention that when you look at this article:
      http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/167
It claimed a $100 loss if Sony sold at $500. But the retail is closer to $600 suggesting at worst Sony is breaking even.

But then you look at this article:
        http://news.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029682,492853 30,00.htm
Which suggests at $600 Sony is losing $240.

I say it's all nonsense. I think Sony & Microsoft like this analysis of pricing because people lap it up and think "Oh gee, for $600, I'm getting something worth almost twice as much! What a deal!". It plays on greed.

The only people who know how much the console makes (or doesn't make) aren't saying. Everybody else is talking out of their ass. Everybody.