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Intel Spills Beans On Santa Rosa Notebook Platform

Steve Kerrison writes "From the Intel Developer Forum in Beijing comes news of the successor to the Napa notebook platform. Santa Rosa, which will head up Intel's notebook technology line-up until 2H 2008, beefs up almost everything seen in Napa, from graphics to WiFi. 'Santa Rosa carries Robson Technology, now known as Intel Turbo Memory, the flash-based disc-caching system that speeds up loading times of frequently-used data. Santa Rosa is an obvious continuation of the Centrino series. There will also be another Santa Rosa Centrino variant — Pro — that covers the business features found on Intel's Q-series chipsets, namely vPro.' Intel's Core2 mobile processors remain a key part of the platform, as you'd expect, with 45nm 'Penryn' CPUs making their way into the Santa Rosa refresh in 2008."

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  1. Too...many...codewords/brand names... by fishybell · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Krikey...

    Santa Rosa?
    Robson Technology?
    Intel Turbo Memory?
    Q-series?
    vPro?
    Penryn?

    My brain can't take any more buzz.

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    1. Re:Too...many...codewords/brand names... by Foamy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple versions

      Santa Rosa eXtreme
      Robson eXtreme Technology
      Intel eXtreme Turbo Memory
      Q-series eXtreme
      vPro eXtreme
      Penryn Xtreme Core 2

    2. Re:Too...many...codewords/brand names... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chill, son. Nobody's saying anything bad about Apple. Settle down.

      It's really OK.

      Look at that, a shiny thing outside the window!

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  2. I really feel for them. by JanusFury · · Score: 5, Funny

    This must be rough for Intel. Spilling beans on a computer is bad enough (have you ever TRIED getting beans out of electronics? It's a nightmare!), but spilling them on a development prototype? Somebody had to get fired for this debacle...

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    1. Re:I really feel for them. by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its actually part of the design - the thing will now fart to cool itself or to reduce load by getting the user to leave the keyboard. Their marketing motto - "You'll be blown away!"

      They were going to use jumping beans, but they realized the CPU already has a bunch of JMP instructions.

  3. obsolete technology? by getNewNickName · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just a question, but doesn't flash-based HDs make this an obsolete technology already?

    1. Re:obsolete technology? by cheezedawg · · Score: 4, Informative

      To clear things up- both SATA and PCIe employ 8b/10b encoding. Each byte is trasmitted as a 10 bit symbol. So 3.0Gb/sec = 300MB/sec.

      First Gen SATA = 1.5Gb/sec = 150 MB/sec
      Gen 2 SATA = 3.0Gb/sec = 300 MB/sec

      First Gen PCIe = 2.5Gb/sec bidirectional per lane, so x1 = 250 MB/sec full duplex (marketing types sometimes say this is 500MB/sec)
      Gen 2 PCIe = 5.0Gb/sec bidirectional per lane, x1 = 500 MB/sec full duplex.

      I guess the big difference here is that PCIe is full duplex, SATA is not.

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  4. System Memory by Smitty825 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the current limitations (IMHO) of the current Napa based systems is the fact that system memory is limited to 3GB. (Well, I guess you can install more memory, but the memory beyond 3GB isn't used) I've been following the news on the Santa Rosa systems, and I haven't seen any updates if they are going to remove this limitation, especially considering the Core2 processors are all 64-bit...

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    1. Re:System Memory by shawnce · · Score: 3, Informative

      No it is a limit of the chipset. The Napa chipset only support 32 bit physical addressing and a portion of that physical addressing range (starting from the largest address on down) is reserved for interfacing with the south bridge, PCIe buses, integrated graphics (if being used), etc. How much gets reserved is under software control but IIRC at least 256 MiB if not 512 MiB must be reserved. Also if certain hardware features are being used more must be reserved.

      This is all outlined in the developer docs for the Intel® 975X Express Chipset

  5. Flash on the MB or in a module? by scdeimos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Santa Rosa carries Robson Technology, now known as Intel Turbo Memory, the flash-based disc-caching system that speeds up loading times of frequently-used data. Santa Rosa is an obvious continuation of the Centrino series.

    Maybe someone can answer this question for me: Is the flash memory for this integrated into an SMD chip on the motherboard (like the north- or south-bridge chips), or is it a plug-in module like a SIMM/DIMM?

    Flash memory wears out, the current generation only being good for a few tens-of-millions of write cycles per page. Most flash-based USB memory sticks get around this by reserving about 5% slack-space and using wear-levelling internally (similarly to JFFS). Even so, they eventually run out of usable blocks and the host computer will see block checksum errors on writing.

    If "Intel Turbo Memory" is on-chip and can't be disabled in the CMOS setup I can see people having to throw away motherboards that would otherwise be perfectly useful.

  6. Flash cache - why on the motherboard? by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are three technologies (that I'm aware of) for using flash to cache disk. There are 'hybrid drives' where the flash is part of the hard drive, there's the Windows Vista method which uses a separately attached flash memory (typically USB), and there is this "Robson Technology" where it is on the motherboard.

    It really seems to me that the 'hybrid drive' is the Right Thing to do. The cache contents is useless without the drive, and the drive is potentially corrupt without the cache contents, so why make them separable? With appropriate firmware, the hybrid drive can make the existence of the cache transparent to the OS, so no OS support is required (but you can allow the OS finer control over the cache if it does support it.) You also automatically add more cache as you add more drives.

    (Incidentally, I hope MS doesn't have a patent on this - I thought of it years ago, and I'm not even an engineer.)

    I can see the Windows method as a useful 'stop-gap' to get the benefit with a non-hybrid drive, but if you're buying new hardware anyway, why would you want to put the cache on the motherboard instead of the hard drive? The only advantage I can think of is that if you have multiple drives, you can dynamically allocate how much cache is associated with each drive, according to usage patterns.

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  7. Re:Should be in the list of 20 worst techs ever by TomHandy · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Intel GMA950 graphics do just fine for integrated graphics, as does GMAX3000 (part of Santa Rosa). They can both certainly play some games, and can certainly handle the 3D effects in Vista or OS X.

    I don't see why they need to have something more powerful than that though; people with more advanced needs just buy a laptop with an actual graphics card instead of integrated graphics.

  8. Linux? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any news on how hard Intel will work to ensure that good free software exists for driving Santa Rosa's wifi, wired ethernet, and video chips?

  9. Bloat reduction by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There was once a really nice device called the HP 200LX. That had an 8MHz processor and could do most useful functions without eyecandy. Battery life was weeks with typical usage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_200Lx

    There was also a cool device called the Psion 7 that could do most useful stuff and also had a good battery life.

    Sure, both those devices are clunkers by today's standards but by using modern parts they could be made more slick and capable while still preserving battery life etc.

    Bottom line is tht you don't need GHz to do most useful functions.

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  10. Coming from a Santa Rosa native by TheDarkener · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can say that this lineup will come, by default, with wine glass, extra-large chrome SUV rims, and Starbucks coffee holder.

    Oh, and it'll still whine about how little it has.

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  11. Or by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or, quite possibly, discovering that you replied to the wrong article the very moment you hit "Submit"...

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