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Daylight Savings Time Puts Kid in Jail for 12 Days

Jherek Carnelian writes "Cody Webb was jailed for calling in a bomb threat to his Hempstead Area high school (near Pittsburgh). He spent 12 days in lockup until the authorities realized that their caller-id log was off an hour because of the new Daylight Savings Time rules and that Cody had only called one hour prior to the actual bomb threat. Perhaps it took so long because of the principal's Catch-22 attitude about Cody's guilt — she said, 'Well, why should we believe you? You're a criminal. Criminals lie all the time.'"

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  1. Re:Can you say... by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Feel free to tell his principal how you feel about the whole guilty until proven innocent thing she has going on.

    k.charlton@hempfieldarea.k12.pa.us

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  2. More details by scottennis · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a more detailed account of the story here.

  3. Re:Give the Students More Credit by cowscows · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know it's not really the point of your story, but in case it comes up again, the main reason that most of our buildings are generally rectangular is because it's much easier(read: cheaper) to build them that way.

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  4. Feel free to check out her website: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  5. That's no Catch-22 by JerSully · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Well, why should we believe you? You're a criminal. Criminals lie all the time."

    That's no catch-22. A catch-22 is a situation whereupon two actions are dependent on one another. A chicken-or-the-egg sort of thing. This quote is close, but it's not a catch-22.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)

    Sorry to pick a nit.

  6. Re:Can you say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or give her boss a call.

      Dr. Terry J. Foriska
    Assistant Superintendent of Secondary Education

              E-mail: terry.foriska@hempfieldarea.k12.pa.us
    Office Phone: (724) 850-2232
    Fax: (724) 850-2089

    Dr. Terry J. Foriska has more than 25 years of experience in public education. He is in his fourth year as Assistant Superintendent of Secondary Education for the Hempfield Area School District. Prior to joining Hempfield, he was Assistant Superintendent for the Gateway School District in Monroeville. He has held administrative posts in several other school districts in Allegheny, Washington and Westmoreland counties. He began his education career as a teacher in the Mt. Pleasant Area School District.

    About Dr. Foriska

    Dr. Foriska holds a master's degree from the University of Pittsburgh and a second master's degree from Duquesne University. He earned his doctorate of education degree from the University of Pittsburgh in 1991. He conducted his doctoral research on the topic of student learning styles and received national recognition for his work. He went on to specialize in the areas of curriculum, instruction and assessment, and is frequently invited to share his expertise at the state and national level.

    He has served on the Learning Styles Network, a national board of educators devoted to raising awareness of how students learn. Over the years, Dr. Foriska has also served on several committees and task forces formed by the Pennsylvania Department of Education to share successful processes, products and philosophy for improving education.

    Dr. Foriska has published numerous articles in both state and national education publications. He is also the author of four books.

    He has received many awards for his work, including the "Outstanding Research and Publication Award " presented by the Pennsylvania Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development. He is the only two-time recipient of this award.

  7. Re:Can you say... by Hel+Toupee · · Score: 3, Informative

    try, convict and punish on less than complete evidence

    Leave it to the lawyers and courts, please.

    Because that's what they do best!!!

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  8. begging the question, not catch-22 by portscan · · Score: 3, Informative

    this is actually the perfect example of begging the question. contrary to popular opinion, "begging the question" does not mean "demanding that the question be asked." it is a form of logical fallacy in which you assume what you are trying to prove.

    using the fact that someone was accused of a crime to discredit their defense of that crime is a prime example of begging the question.

    the example of "a catch-22" from the book catch-22 is the following: if a pilot is crazy, he will not have to fly more missions (since he will be placed on medical leave). if a pilot does not want to fly more missions, he is not crazy (since he values his own life, therefore he has to fly more missions). so if you're not crazy, you fly more missions. if you say you are crazy, the army assumes you are just trying to save your own life, therefore you are not crazy, and therefore you still fly more missions. that's the quick summary, anyway.

  9. Re:Can you say... by NickFitz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Personally, my bias is not to believe the kid at all. My bigger question is where the hell were the kids parents. I mean really! If my kid was locked-up for anything, I would want to see the evidence!! Obviously they didn't give a crap.

    Jeez, what a troll. If you actually care at all about this case then look it up somewhere that has a tad more credibility and journalistic competence than the kind of sub-blog news source given in the summary:

    Webb's parents, Linda and Budd Webb, arrived at the school and listened to the recorded bomb threat. Linda Webb told administrators it wasn't her son.

    "They kept saying that it was his voice. They didn't even know him," she said.

    After a state trooper arrived, Charlton told the teen he was being arrested, and the trooper read Webb his Miranda rights.

    [12 days later...]

    "I got a call from our attorney that said he had paperwork signed by Judge Driscoll dropping the felony and misdemeanor charges against my son," [the father] said.

    County juvenile detention officials wanted to keep Webb in custody, [the family's attorney] Andrews said. "They wanted him to have a mental health evaluation because he wouldn't admit to making the call."

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  10. Re:Can you say... by NickFitz · · Score: 5, Informative

    What makes you think they didn't? If you look the case up almost anywhere other than the crappy source linked in the summary, you'll find that they did indeed have an attorney. It still took twelve days to get the charges (of threatening to use weapons of mass destruction, no less) dropped, and then the state authorities tried to have him held for a psychiatric evaluation because he had refused to admit to the charges.

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  11. Re:Can you say... by NickFitz · · Score: 5, Informative

    The people in Guantanamo weren't just picked up off of the streets as suspects in criminal investigations, they were captured while engaging in active combat operations and are considered prisoners of war.

    Wrong. For example, Bisher al-Rawi was arrested while on a business trip to the Gambia:

    His lawyer, Zachary Katznelson, gave further details on why Mr Rawi was originally arrested.

    He said a "suspicious device" was found in his client's luggage but added that it turned out to be a battery charger.

    Mr Katznelson added: "So it was misinformation that started this chain of events, though unfortunately that led to him first being taken by the CIA to Afghanistan to an underground prison of 24 hour darkness with rats everywhere, to then being taken to Guantanamo - and it took years to right this wrong."

    Furthermore, Bush long refused to accept that the Guantanamo detainees should be considered prisoners of war, until the Supreme Court told him otherwise.

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  12. More details are out by Kelson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Technically, he could have been out a lot quicker had his parents hired a lawyer and bailed him out, but the parents probably believe the police and thought he did it too.

    Not according to this article. They did have a lawyer, who managed to get him released to their custody before charges were dropped. It's not clear why it took 12 days to do it, but they didn't believe the principal over their son.

    Webb's parents, Linda and Budd Webb, arrived at the school and listened to the recorded bomb threat. Linda Webb told administrators it wasn't her son.

    "They kept saying that it was his voice. They didn't even know him," she said.

    After a state trooper arrived, Charlton told the teen he was being arrested, and the trooper read Webb his Miranda rights.

    "I was in shock," Webb said.

    The family's lawyer is quoted a number of times in the article as well.

  13. Re:Can you say... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 5, Informative

    Enter the sheeple...

    Guantanamo Bay does not have a prison, it is a detention facility for enemy combatants.

    If you're locked up in a cage and can't leave, the semantics are irrelevant from your point of view.

    Guantanamo Bay had released more than half of those who have come through its doors and is one of the most transparently operated detention facilities in the world.

    What you just wrote should have scared you after you proof read your post. Some of these innocent "detainees" or "guests of the US government" have been imprisoned for years before release. Some were as young as 12. Is that the behavior of a just and open society?

    The people in Guantanamo weren't just picked up off of the streets as suspects in criminal investigations...

    Wrong, some were "Jerry Springers" as the troops call them. The US was paying bounties for terrorism suspects and some people just turning in guys they had grudges against.

    Maybe you need to stop consulting the military on the rationale for their own wrong-doing. Guantanamo will go down in history as a blight on our record for protecting freedoms just like Japanese detentions. I just hope the Japanese weren't being tortured.

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  14. Re:Can you say... by RedBear · · Score: 4, Informative

    Guantanamo Bay does not have a prison, it is a detention facility for enemy combatants. Before jumping on the band wagon and accusing the US of treating people as "guilty until proven innocent" you should examine the subtle differences.
    A prison is a facility used for housing people who were convicted of crimes and sentenced to serve time in confinement.
    A detention facility is used during times of war to house those enemy forces who were captured on the battlefield until such time that the war is over or the captured individual will no longer pose a threat to the capturing country if released.
    Guantanamo Bay had released more than half of those who have come through its doors and is one of the most transparently operated detention facilities in the world.The people in Guantanamo weren't just picked up off of the streets as suspects in criminal investigations, they were captured while engaging in active combat operations and are considered prisoners of war. Read up on military law before making such ignorant accusations.

    Really? Did the US Congress make a declaration of war at some point that I missed out on? Because my reserve unit seems to have forgotten to call me up to say, "We're goin' to war, Devil Dog, oorah! Report for duty in 24 hours. Semper Fi." If you're speaking of Bush's "War on Terror" that he begins and ends every other sentence with, that's called a figure of speech and has no legal backing no matter how many times he repeats it. Even if it did, it wouldn't suddenly make it acceptable to indefinitely detain people with no known connection to terrorist groups, including foreign nationals who were simply visiting some area where we happen to have some troops stationed, or in some cases were kidnapped from an adjacent area and turned in by others.

    You should probably watch something besides Fox News every now and then. You might become a little less ignorant yourself. The established facts (as reported by crazy, liberal, non-Fox News stations like NPR and the BBC) are that the US military/government has been in the habit of offering rewards for the capture of "terrorists". Many of the people who have languished in the black box called Guantanamo (not allowing any communication or even access to a lawyer does not rhyme with the word "transparent") were simply random people scooped up off the street by Afghani warlords and such and turned in to the local US military posts for cash money. What makes this infinitely worse is that the military has already admitted many times that a large portion of the inmat--sorry, "detainees" have no actual evidence against them whatsoever beyond someone saying, "this guy is a terrorist, gimme some money". None, zip, zero, nada, el zilcho. They weren't keeping the evidence under wraps for security reasons, they simply didn't have any in many cases. That's already been established, from their own mouths. And yet they "detained" these people for literally years, and continue to do so, EVEN AFTER running their own investigations and finding no evidence with which to place charges. Worse yet (I know, how could it get worse!), they have done their level best to block all attempts at providing these unaccused (unaccusable!) persons with any due process, even though many have never been proven to be terrorists or enemy combatants or even that they were ever present near a location that any combat took place. The worst serial murderer/bomber/rapist/child molester gets at a minimum a chance to talk to a lawyer and due consideration by a court of law. These people got nothing. For years.

    You admit yourself that they have already released many people, finally, after really having no choice due to continuing public and legal pressures. Obviously they aren't going to be releasing actual proven terrorists anytime soon, so who are all those people? There are hundreds of people in Gitmo, yet more than half have simply been released? Do you even have a functioning brain beyond the part that regulates your automatic

  15. Re:Can you say... by jessecurry · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have to leave so I'll reread your post in full later, but just skimming over this phrase is an incorrect statement: "not allowing any communication or even access to a lawyer does not rhyme with the word "transparent"
    There are over 1,000 lawyers for the 300 or so people being detained. And for the record I don't watch Fox news.

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  16. Re:Can you say... by dan828 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If the friends and own parent couldn't look in his eyes and believe him when he was saying "I didn't do it", then they are much more guilty than him.

    When he was initially being accused his parents came to the school and the tape of the bomb threat was played for them. According to them, they both told the principle that the voice on the recording was not that of their son. The principle disregarded them and called the police. So pretty much from the get go the parents believed that their son was not guilty.

    http://kdka.com/topstories/local_story_094135948.h tml/