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Nintendo's Sale Dominance Gets Noticed

Via Kotaku, a Wall Street Journal report on Nintendo's continued dominance of the game charts. The piece rehashes the February NPD numbers and discusses the role the Wii and DS have had in revitalizing a company the WSJ refers to as an 'also-ran'. "To take better advantage of the Wii's growth, EA moved quickly to ramp up game production for the system, acquiring Headgate Studios, a developer in Utah focused entirely on making titles for Nintendo hardware, and shifting resources in other EA development groups to Nintendo projects. The company released four titles for the Wii in March, including a version of its Tiger Woods golf game in which players swing the Wii controller like a club. EA is also working on a line of consumer guides for the Nintendo DS that will be aimed at older players in Japan."

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  1. Saw it coming... by bynary · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sony's hubris was palpable. I'm not quite sure why Microsoft hasn't garnered more of a lead here though.

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    1. Re:Saw it coming... by MMInterface · · Score: 5, Interesting

      MS's flagship game hasn't come out yet. For a lot of people Halo was the reason to get the Xbox. I don't think they are going overtake Nintendo when Halo 3 comes out but I'm sure they will be doing a lot better. I expected the 360 to be doing much worse. Its Sony's low sales that have suprised me.

    2. Re:Saw it coming... by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      1.) The high price. $400 is still way too much for a console.
      2.) The lack of variety in the games. It's all first-person shooters.
      3.) Its complete lack of presence in Japan. With Sony's failure, that leaves all of Japan, and all of Japan's developers, to Nintendo.

      Since its November launch, the Wii has already sold over half the amount the 360 did in a year. At some point this year, the Wii is going to surpass the 360's total sales, and it will be another embarrassing mark for Microsoft's money-losing Xbox division. The ultra-expensive "XBox 360 Elite" isn't going to help matters any. It's like Microsoft is obsessed with catering to the smallest, most hardcore target market as possible while Nintendo gets to target everyone else.

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  2. Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In fact, Nintendo is doing so well, that Square-Enix has suggested that Final Fantasy XIII may in fact be heading to the Wii. (Probably as a port.) In any case, they have 100% confirmed that it will no longer be a PS3 exclusive.

    1. Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii by CaptCommy · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii by SynergyBlades · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, they really haven't. That is the only site on the entire intarweb that is reporting this "news"; I would not be surprised if all they've done is misread the scans of the interview which stated the series (Fabula Nova Crystallis) as a whole is not exclusive to PS3 and mobile, which we knew already, since there are entries to come. No, FFXIII is still exclusive to PS3 so far, until Square Enix says otherwise - at which point it'll be on more games news sites than just "PS3 Center".

    3. Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii by CaptCommy · · Score: 3, Informative

      You kinda fail at google. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167864.html?sid=6167 864&action=convert Its all over the web if you look for it.

    4. Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii by SynergyBlades · · Score: 2, Informative

      You kinda fail at timelines. That one's old news, and still nothing official has actually come from those discussions. It's a fairly giant leap to go from the game's exclusivity being under negotations with Sony and Square Enix, to it being "100% confirmed" that it's multiplatform.

    5. Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii by Gunslinger47 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no confirmation from other sources, but we know this much:

      Sony: FFXIII PS3 exclusivity under discussion

    6. Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii by shoptroll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought they said that Final Fantasy XIII wasn't going to be exclusive to PS3. This can easily mean a couple of things:

      a) Outright port of Final Fantasy XIII or XIII Versus to XBox360, PC or Wii
      b) Another game in the set of games they're releasing under the FFXIII project umbrella for another system. A good bet would be DS, followed by Wii or XBox360.

      In my mind, b is most likely because they are already advertising that at the Square-Enix Party this year they will be unveiling a brand new FF game that no one knows about. An outright port to the 360 or PC would be possible if PS3 sales continue to lag to the point where the current install base + new customers just for FF13 will not recoup the loss from development (which is supposed to be offset by numerous ports/remakes released this year). If the cost:benefit ratio for a port to a different platform will help them at least break even on the entire project then it's inevitable and good business sense. Square has already gone on record stating that this generation is going to be expensive, so if they drop the cross-platform FF13 hammer, I'm not going to be surprised at all.

      A Wii port could be done if they were smart about it. They would be smart to scale back the real-time rendering to FFXII standards and they can still keep the FMVs at high poly counts, just re-sized to 480p. Redoing a game but keeping the same plot, etc. isn't impossible. They scrapped Mother 3 for the N64 and remade it from the ground up as a GBA game. Also, Namco was working on a Xenosaga Episode 1+2 game for the DS as well at one point.

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    7. Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii by Chainsaw+Karate · · Score: 3, Informative

      NO, Square-Enix have never suggested that Final Fantasy XIII will be multiplatform. AFAIK that rumor came from a mistranslation of this article http://www.gamefront.de/ that has been going around some message boards. They HAVE confirmed that the FF XIII series will be multiplatform, and have hinted that there will be more than the three we know about, but they've never stated that FF XIII itself will be multiplatform. Also see this interview with Hiromichi Tanaka http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 24297 where he says

      "Up to PlayStation 2, all consoles had roughly the same concept of how to enjoy the gaming experience. With next-gen, each has different features and is targeted at a different audience.

      So, we have to make different titles for different platforms, depending on what sort of game we want to make and what the users will be expecting; we can choose which platform we want to go for. This is completely different from the old games industry."

      Also, the idea of porting a graphically demanding game like FF XIII to the Wii is total fucking nonsense.

  3. one word by cpt.hugenstein · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nintendo execs say only one word as they ride the rollercoster to the top... wiii! (mandatory wii joke, I know its getting old)

    1. Re:one word by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

      No need to explain yourself, buddy...wii understand

  4. Dominating by EmperorKagato · · Score: 4, Funny

    [quake3arena]

    DOMINATING

    [/quake3arena]

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    1. Re:Dominating by fimbulvetr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Um...
      [MK]
      FINISH HIM!
      [/MK]

  5. This is starting to get old - and I'm a fanboy. by Demoknight · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Aren't businesses *supposed* to innovate and sell their product? Isn't EA supposed to suffer for not at least throwing *some* of their development at the Wii from the start? Whatever I'm just starting to get tired of everyone sucking Nintendo's wii.

    1. Re:This is starting to get old - and I'm a fanboy. by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      EA is suffering already by not making nearly as much as they could be (that kinda stuff gets people replaced). Theres a good reason Nintendo has been the top developer for their system who rakes in the most cash. EA, and others write them off, and shortly after the Wii launch they were bitching about how they won't ever be as big as Nintendo on their own console vs MS & Sony who have fairly weak #s in their own offerings on their own systems. Could have something to do with Nintendo being fully behind their own console, and the quality involved, but who knows. I'd personally be happy if EA had nothing to do with Nintendo consoles. They just shovel out shitty sports games, rehashes, and half-assed ports.

  6. NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasing? by jchenx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First of all, I should mention that I'm somewhat biased (read my profile). That said, I do like what Nintendo is doing, and have been seeking out a Wii for months now. However, I'm not willing to buy one on eBay, or call stores everyday, or stake out early morning shipments at Target. I do look for one everytime I'm at Costco or Fred Meyer (a local big-box store where I do my grocery shopping). I have more than enough games and other things to do, that I don't need one right away, but am willing for it to be a simple impulse buy.

    Anyway, I'm confused why the NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasing. Here are the numbers for the past few months:

    January: 436,000
    February: 335,000
    March: 259,000

    I think we can all agree that demand far exceeds supply, so these numbers essentially cover production as well. Now, I didn't include the November and December numbers, because they probably still reflect the huge ramp up of Wii units that were pumped out months before launch. I am guessing that most of that initial supply is long gone by January now.

    So again, why is Wii production decreasing? As I am not a business person (just a lowly software engineer), someone please correct me if I'm missing something here.

    I just want my Wii, dammit.

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  7. Re:Games? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about "Nights: Journey of Dreams" in Fall 2007? That's the reason I'm buying a Wii.

  8. Re:but the PS2 outsold the new consoles by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also keep in mind...that the PS2 is a "mature" system (over 6 years old), half the price of a Wii, with an absolutely massive game library. The fact that the Wii is getting close to the PS2 sales (being double the price) is definitely something to brag about.

  9. Re:Games? by Guaranteed · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just bought Super Paper Mario two weeks ago and I already have six saved games on it from all my roommates AND my girlfriend, and it is difficult for me to find time to play on my own console because someone is always using it. I own 4 games for it. Twilight Princess, WarioWare (this one got old except for at parties), Super Paper Mario, and Wii Sports. Of the 4, I'd say there are 3 games which are among the most fun I've ever had playing console games. There are great games for other consoles, sure, but i don't own those consoles. I can only speak for the Wii, but I think there are plenty of games on it right now which I have a ton of fun playing.

  10. Re:Games? by lmnfrs · · Score: 2, Funny

    A SuperGameCube? That sounds totally rad, but I haven't seen one of these in stores anywhere - where can I get one!?

  11. Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Huh? Those are sales numbers.

    They stockpiled an assload before the launch at christmas, and those have trickled out onto the market. The lowering numbers mean the supply sitting in the warehouses in japan is running out.

    I'm sure if anything production has increased, just not enough to meet the demand.

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  12. Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My guess would be the fact that it's launched in Japan and Europe during that time period. Those numbers are too low to be worldwide.

  13. Re:but the PS2 outsold the new consoles by SydShamino · · Score: 5, Informative

    ?? Not sure where you got your numbers. They don't match anything in this story or the last one.

    February:
    Nintendo DS: 485,000
    Nintendo Wii: 335,000
    Sony PlayStation 2: 295,000
    Microsoft Xbox 360: 228,000
    Sony PlayStation Portable: 176,000
    Nintendo Game Boy Advance: 136,000
    Sony PlayStation 3: 127,000

    The Wii is beating the PS2. It's not dominating it, no, but it's selling 40k more a month.

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  14. Re: EA is getting better.... by trdrstv · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'd personally be happy if EA had nothing to do with Nintendo consoles. They just shovel out shitty sports games, rehashes, and half-assed ports.

    Saddly then you would be missing some great Wii games. Madden 07 (for the Wii) is exceptional, and both the Godfather and Tiger Woods are eating up lots of my free time. In fact, I suggest getting Tiger and the Godfather at the same time. I'm stuck on Jim Furyk in the Tiger Challenge, and each time I lose to him I throw in the Godfather so I can throttle someone with Full Motion controls.

    If only I could import him into the Godfather game directly... It would be much more satisfying, and I wouldn't mind losing as much.

  15. Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin by windex · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's being fucked with by the distribution chain, too.

    Example: GameStop held onto thousands of units over a couple of months just so they could horde them into $600 packages and sell them on their website.

    Which is how I got mine because, well, let's face it, super paper mario is pretty kick ass.

  16. Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin by El+Gigante+de+Justic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think it's so much that production is decreasing, as it is that they had a giant stockpile of constructed, un-localized Wiis ready before the initial released in November. along with a stockpile of parts for making more Wiis that wasn't immediately shipped to stores so that they could localize and then distribute them based on what regions were selling the most. However, since it's been regularly selling out everywhere, and possibly as a pace faster than Nintendo or any of their suppliers fully anticipated, they probably are hitting a limit on production for one or two components that are limiting their production output.

  17. Yes, these are North American numbers by jchenx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ahh yes, I probably should have mentioned in my post, that NPD is only North America.

    People have made many good points about regions. The numbers would make a lot of sense, if it's just a matter of Nintendo shifting production capacity from region to region. If someone could pull worldwide numbers of the Wii, that would help.

    That said, it is disconcerting that, at the very least, North America seems to be getting fewer and fewer units. I'm speaking from the point of a North American consumer, who just wants to be able to buy the console. From a business perspective, Nintendo may be doing the right thing, if it thinks that supplying Europe and/or Japan is more important than North America at the moment.

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    1. Re:Yes, these are North American numbers by snuf23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keep in mind also that Wiis are available for purchase from some online retailers. The thing is places like Walmart.com are still only offering the $650 bundled setup. I would imagine these bundles don't sell as quickly so there is some stock just sitting for now.

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  18. Canadian Football League? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a lot of new features we most likely would have by now in NFL games if this were not the case. Then developers with compelling new features should look for a universe other than NFL. For example, Midway makes Blitz: The League. But where are the CFL games?

    And don't even get me started on their recent releases for PC. The local landfill has less bugs than most EA fare does these days. Are all the bugs necessarily EA's fault, vs. the video driver publisher's fault?
    1. Re:Canadian Football League? by Endo13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then developers with compelling new features should look for a universe other than NFL. For example, Midway makes Blitz: The League. But where are the CFL games? Right, because everyone knows that any old football game based on no league at all or some minor/international league will sell as well as one based on the NFL. Most developers don't waste their time on these for good reason.

      Are all the bugs necessarily EA's fault, vs. the video driver publisher's fault? Yes they are. Most of the bugs have nothing to do with video at all. We're talking things like bugs in multiplayer netcode that other companies had working great since Windows 98 days and game exploits just for starters. And when the games you're releasing are primarily (if not exclusively) multiplayer, having bugs so severe in the netcode that multiplayer is broken at release is downright ridiculous.

      EA hasn't released a game worth the full retail price for at least a good 5 years.
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  19. Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They can only hit retail as fast as they can be shipped from Japan, and get through Customs.

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  20. Re:Doesn't matter by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds like an Audiophile to me. Can I interest you into some great $2000 speaker cables? They are pure copper alloy and have been demagnetized as well. I also have a demagnetized granite shelf to mount your equipment on for 20,000. And a tuned power cable for $500.
    You know that price is a sure indicator of quality.

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  21. Re: EA is getting better.... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which has everything to do with the Wii's unique controller and very little to do with EA or Madden.

    No, no... It's because of EA's implementation of controls using the Wii's unique controller. The Wiimote, awesome as it is, is not a magic wand. It does not turn shit into gold, and it's perfectly possible for a game to implement shitty controls for the Wii. In fact, seeing how hard it seemed for some game studios to get simple analog stick + binary buttons controls working reasonably, I think the potential of shitty controls for the Wii is very high, and some of the games that are out there bear this out.

    I'm not a fan of EA or Madden (nor have I played it on the Wii) but the reason people keep talking about Madden for the Wii is because EA did a good job of implementing the controls and creating a unique experience. Never would have happened without the Wii there in the first place, but hey that's the whole point of Nintendo's strategy, breaking game developers out of their old habits and getting them to do something new.

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  22. Re:Doesn't matter by Stevecrox · · Score: 2, Informative

    yeah, same with the PS3 it wasn't obvious or advertised. There were two demo units running through a cycle since i was stuck in town i thought i would try my luck and get a controller since the entertainment desk was directly opposite they let me have a controller. I have no idea if its standard practice

  23. Re:Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And a tuned power cable for $500.
    You know that price is a sure indicator of quality.


    You're paying $500 for a power cable? What kind of cheap junk is that!

    The only thing almost good enough for MY ears is the
    JPS Labs Kaptovator Power Cord for $1500.

  24. I give up. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can not make up anything as stupid as reality.

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