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Women Are Fleeing IT Jobs

Lucas123 writes "An alarming number of women are currently abandoning IT jobs that require workers to be on-call at all hours, according to a story in Computerworld. One study cited in the article states that by 2012, 40% of women now working in IT will leave for careers with more flexible hours. 'I think women in that regard are at a real disadvantage,' said Dot Brunette, network and storage manager at Meijer Inc., a Grand Rapids, Mich.-based retailer and a 30-year IT veteran. She noted that companies can fail to attract female workers, or see them leave key IT jobs, because they fail to provide day care at work, or work-at-home options for someone who leaves to have a child.'"

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  1. Re:I don't get it by 0123456 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    The only 'special treatment' men get is in divorce courts where their wife is allowed to take the house, the kids, and most of their income for the rest of their life.

    If a man and a woman both apply for the same job, but the woman refuses to be on call out of work hours, why would any sane company hire her?

  2. Re:I don't get it by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The reason childless folks earn more is because they pay the price in loneliness - in childlessness.

    What in the hell are you talking about? Let's review:

    • No child, no SO: Free to do what I want, possibly lonely.
    • No child, SO: Probably have an SO because I want to be with them. Awesome.
    • Child, SO: Probably made this by accident, or horribly idiotic decision to do so on purpose. It's now draining finances, taking away from my time and attention to my SO, annoying me, carrying diseases into my house, doing idiotic things, embarrassing me, grossing me out, and causing excess stress between me and my SO because either we stab the kid in the heart now or we decide to "take care of it" and thus shield it from retaliation by directing all our stress on each other.
    • Child, no SO: Social services will come pick up my body and the child.

    Children aren't a handicap, they're a curse. Dependents lower quality of life and provide tax breaks. The tax breaks aren't worth it. There's a reason I'll never, ever, ever make one of these damn things.

  3. Re:I don't get it by alienmole · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    But leaving because they don't want long, inflexible hours? Tough. Men have to put up with it. Why shouldn't women?
    Actually, men don't have to put up with it, any more than women do. They choose to.
  4. Re:I don't get it by paitre · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    You DO, in fact, get paid more, in a very real sense. Take childcare - I'm out $10,400 a year due to that expense (actually, it's a bit more, but close enough for this). The standard 'deduction' that I receive for having my children is just about 2/3's of that. You don't have that expense, so you have the money in your pocket to spend on part of your monthly payment on that second home, that Porsche or that hooker you call a 'wife'.

    Those sick days that we take to take care of our kids are sick days that WE cannot take if and when we, ourselves are sick. Those vacation days that we have to burn as sick time because of a serious medical issue with a child are less real vacation and relaxation days that we will have. Vacation days, that, if we were to leave for a new job, YOU would receive back as cash, but we would see nothing because we ended up using them for something far more important than another week long liberal/green love fest in Paris. Yet more -real money- that you see, and that we do not, because we chose to have children.

    You are more likely -able- to contribute the MAX amount allowed by law into your 401k. Something I, and many other single parents, and parents in general, are unable to do. You do not have to look forward to paying on student loans for your children to be educated by anti-family, anti-human, racist bastards like yourself. If you can call that an education.

    So yes, you do get paid more. Far more. And then you -=DERIDE=- those of us that have chosen to have children. Those of us that have chosen to do what is absolutely necessary for the survival of our race. Something that you hoity-toity liberal fucks who get snipped at 21 HAVE SELFISHLY CHOSEN NOT TO DO.

    You're gonna call me selfish for HAVING kids? Fuck you. You have no cognitive sense as to the sacrifice and absolute selflessness that one must have in order to be a parent. The world is better off that you shitheads like you never breed. Sadly, it's genetic fuck-ups like you that are educating our children, and convincing them that being a parent is such a heinous, selfish thing to be, when in all reality, choosing NOT to have children is far, far more selfish.

    Again. Fuck you. You have the cognitive abilities of a flea if you cannot comprehend why your stance is untenable for any nation, or race, or family to maintain. Do the world a favor and just off yourself, you colossal waste of oxygen. Maybe then you'll be useful, if your remains don't poison the ground beneath which they are buried or upon which your ashes are scattered.

  5. Re:This is a good thing! by ciggieposeur · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Its even racist if I refer to MY OWN RACE/GENDER.

    No, it's not. It's racist to assume that while ISN'T a race, that whiteness does NOT immediately provide privilege. Please, by all means continue to refer to yourself as white and a member of the white race.

    I'm also broke, I want all that economic advantage they use to justify hiring a minority (which consists of EVERY other group/gender) over me.

    Sorry, white males have insisted for centuries that they lived in a merit-based society that justified their disproportionate social and economic power. Now their white male descendants have to pay the piper. I was broke too once. But I do not blame the black or female students just out of college for it, because unlike them I've still got more access to better-paying jobs than they do.

    Anecdote: I knew two people right out of college who got their first real jobs at Fortune-10 companies. After four years, one of them had purchased a car, a truck, a house, and eliminated almost 70% of his college debt. The other purchased a car, a townhouse, a wedding, and put about $130,000 in the bank. One was white with an MIS degree, one was black with a CS degree, both were similarly skilled, with the white one having the "easier" and supposedly less valuable degree. However, the white one got "set" for life because he "fit in" to the culture of his company so well that they gave him a once-in-a-lifetime type opportunity to save about $200,000 in three years. The white one is now a manager at age 30, the black one is a senior developer at age 31. The plural of anecdote is not data, yet I cannot imagine ANY similar circumstances that the black developer could have similarly benefitted from.

  6. Re:Women Belong In The Kitchen by jaelle · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    In my lifetime, I've been a machine designer, dog groomer, IT pro and electronics engineer--in spite of not being allowed to take "boys'" classes in high school, and my mother being told "She's a girl, she'll never need math!"

    The only 'career' that paid well enough to raise and homeschool five kids was dog groomer. Men do not take women seriously no matter how well-educated, expert, efficient and competent they are. I have never made enough ever be able to retire, in spite of being more productive than any man I've ever worked with. The only people that have *ever* matched my productivity were other women.

    The reality is that if you're a 'traditional woman'--the odds are very high that you will die in poverty. If you are NOT a traditional woman--the odds are not quite as high that you will die in poverty, but they're still much higher than mens. The entire system is still structured that the only women who are not likely to die in poverty are professionals--doctors and lawyers--and golddiggers.

    http://www.alternet.org/workplace/50528/

    Men set the system up; they work very hard to perpetuate it. All this idiotic ranting about "women have it better than ever" simply ignores that fact that what women have now still sucks. Economically, the US ranks *below* Lithuania and and Estonia for women's economic success. Damned impressive, guys.

    http://www.alternet.org/workplace/50528/

    And what's really interesting is that men cut their own throats with these attitudes. Societies that have high levels of sexual equality are more successful economically, and males are healthier. It's women that determine children's health--and women that have the resources do a much better job than women that are oppressed. Boys grow up bigger, stronger and healthier in societies where their moms are successful. There is also much less crime and greater economic stability in countries where women are equal to men in numbers and power in government.

    Dr. Barres had it right--if a woman wants to succeed, she has to change into a man.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2 006/07/13/BAGIDJU67A1.DTL

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    You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.
  7. Re:I don't get it by alienmole · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    One question is, what are the women doing? Of course, one answer may be that they're staying at home and being supported by husbands, but I bet that doesn't explain the entire trend. Many of them probably move into other areas. Is there something stopping men from doing that? Is it that they love filling out TPS reports so much that they can't imagine any job other than IT? I think the real answer is that most people don't really think about their choices or try very hard, they just stay wherever they ended up and "suck it up", pretending that this makes them tough.

  8. Re:This is a good thing! by ciggieposeur · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    White male is not a valid classification, the color and gender of those people is not relevent.

    White and male are perfectly valid classifications, else the words themselves would not exist. And white as a 'race' (a social division) most certainly exists: one only has to head to the KKK website or google for "whiteness studies" to see people refer to it. Better than that would be to google for "unpacking the invisible knapsack" for a decent essay about whiteness.

    However, since you do not acknowledge that you live in a social world and hence none of the benefits of being white or male even exist, there is no point in responding to the rest of your post.