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Quantum Physics Parts Ways With Reality

aeoneal sends us to PhysicsWeb for news guaranteed to induce headache in those wedded to the reality of, well, reality. Researchers from the University of Vienna have shown the violation of a stronger form of Bell's inequality known as Leggett's inequality. The result means that we must not only give up Einstein's hope of "no spooky action at a distance," we must also give up (some of) the idea that the world exists when we are not looking. From the article: "[Studies] have ruled out all hidden-variables theories based on joint assumptions of realism, meaning that reality exists when we are not observing it; and locality, meaning that separated events cannot influence one another instantaneously. But a violation of Bell's inequality does not tell specifically which assumption — realism, locality, or both — is discordant with quantum mechanics." From the Nature abstract: "Our result suggests that giving up the concept of locality is not sufficient to be consistent with quantum experiments, unless certain intuitive features of realism are abandoned." Only subscribers to Nature, alas, can know what features those are, as PhysicsWeb doesn't tell us.

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  1. bye-bye! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.
    See that? That's the gaping hole where Quantum Physics used to be. It's gone now, though, and all we have for comfort is bad science fiction.
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    1. Re:bye-bye! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Thanks Slashdot. I knew I would somehow find a way to feel completely stupid today. I almost got off without ever having known about these theorems, or whatever they are.

      Man, I never knew plain english could be so confusing. And this is someone with an Engineering degree!

    2. Re:bye-bye! by zekt · · Score: 3, Funny

      All it's gonna take is for one of to look at Quantum Mechanics again and >poof it's 'reality' again :-p

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    3. Re:bye-bye! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      And this is someone with an Engineering degree!

      That's OK, you still get to wear one of those hats and a pair of overalls.

    4. Re:bye-bye! by jfredett · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but it only has a _few_ big holes...

      On another Note, based on what I read, this whole thing says that the universe is effectively "not rendering" when we aren't looking/sensing/etc. I think it makes sense, because the universe would totally lag if it were always rendering... :)

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  2. yeah by gadzook33 · · Score: 4, Funny

    sounds like some meetings i've been in

  3. i knew it - i was right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    closing my eyes at the age of four i knew the reality around me did not exist, so nobody could see me!

  4. A layman's view by Lurker2288 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you ask me, most of the people studying this sort of thing lost touch with reality long ago...

    1. Re:A layman's view by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Latin, motherfucker!, do you speak it?

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    2. Re:A layman's view by thrillseeker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Occam's Razor only lets you choose between two hypotheses which both adequately account for the data.

      and the quantum version lets both be right.

  5. First Post! by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 5, Funny

    This comment is always the first post, as long as you are observing it. That's because by observing this comment you are not observing any previous comments, therefore they cease to exist!

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  6. From the ostriche's beak... by the_other_one · · Score: 4, Funny

    we must also give up (some of) the idea that the world exists when we are not looking

    Does this mean that sticking your head in the sand actually works?

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  7. this is a test by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    this is a test to see if unread comments on slashdot really exist

    if you are reading this, congratulations, you have participated in bringing this comment into reality

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  8. The virtual reality of it all... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... for news guaranteed to induce headache in those wedded to the reality of, well, reality.

    It's a no brainer that marrying a real woman would be more trouble than marrying a virtual woman.

  9. Well that explains everything! by Ant+P. · · Score: 3, Funny

    The universe uses portal-based rendering. The only question now is, is it Direct3D or OpenGL?

  10. Disproving this theory... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Funny

    A site can still get slashdotted even if I don't look at it.

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  11. Re:Spooky! by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 3, Funny

    (Score:0, Redundant) I think you just experienced quantum decoherence
  12. Re:The Universe by yoprst · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are you a proton?

  13. Re:Time to break out the ol' dictionary by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Time to get some new words, because QM has gone off the deep end as to what those words they're using actually mean...Words with actual meaning are used in a way entirely separate from their meaning, because scientists, by and large, could not be bothered to coin genuinely new terms...Quantum Mechanics is a terrible term in and of itself...

    That is because "spooky weird LSD-like shit goin' down" takes too long to say.

  14. Re:Theistic fun by servognome · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean to tell me God knows I jacked off in my brother's sock while bro was at church?
    Yes, he saw your video on Youtube
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  15. Re:The Universe by navyjeff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are you a proton? Yes, I'm positive.
  16. Techno-theology by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Theists have a ready answer to these problems. God's always watching, therefore there's always somebody observing, and thus maintaining reality. Yes, God keeps the universe in existence by going around from place to place saying, "Can you see me now?".
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  17. Re:What does it mean for us to observe something? by kalirion · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's really quite simple. Think of video games: the computer only renders the portion of the game that the player can observe (plus some nearby stuff for buffering, etc.). The Matr^H^H^H^HUniverse must act the same way to save on processing power.

  18. So I was right! by StarkRG · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am the center of the universe.

  19. Tachyeons by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why don't they just throw some more Tacheyons at the problem?

    It always worked on Voyager.

  20. Re:mod parent up by QuickFox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now what if I post a comment there, will it "undo" the mod? Yes, this undoes your mod. Unfortunately it looks like somebody else modded it "Offtopic" too.

    53-button-multiple-roller-mouse Ah, a true slashdotter!
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  21. Re:Well, it makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    God does not use float.

  22. Religious texts by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, same here, then. We could probably get all the answers and then some, if we could talk to one of the guys who programmed RL ;) You could start by reading the f* manual: Holy Bible or Noble Qur'an or any other religious text. Translation quality may vary, and I can't guarantee you'll understand Ezekiel's explanation of wheels in wheels (ON WHEELS!) on the first try.
  23. Yes, well... by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, well, you'll have to understand that this is second hand, what some prophet understood from God's dumbed down explanation to someone who doesn't even have the concepts to understand it all.

    Think explaining Linux or the Internet to my old grandma (otherwise a smart woman, but doesn't even have a computer) and see if you don't end up dumbing it down to "it's like some tubes" oversimplification to get it over with. Now think she goes forth and writes a book about it. Ouch. It's not going to be very accurate, to say the least.

    I mean, I can just think God explaining a player wipe to Moses:

    God: "So we just reformatted the hard drive and re-installed from backups."
    Moses: "Uh, what's a hard drive, Lord?"
    God: "Well, it's this thing, like a magnetic disc, where everything is stored. All you see around you is on it."
    Moses: "So, like a flat platter lord? And it carries the whole world?"
    God: "Ah, wth, yeah, the world is on a plate. Whatever. So, anyways, we reformatted it..."
    Moses: "My Lord, what's a reformat?"
    God: "We wiped it clean, really?"
    Moses: "Wiped the whole world, Lord? How is that even possible?"
    God: "(Gah, I'll never get to the bottom of it.) You know, rewrite it all... if you will, cover it all with the same value."
    Moses: "With a value?"
    God: "You know what? With water."
    Moses: "Like a flood, Lord?"
    God: "Yeah, I flooded the damned thing. Everything was cross-linked and corrupted anyway."
    Moses: . o O (Damned? Corrupted? So the world must have been sinful and angered the Lord.)
    God: "So, anyway, then we reinstalled the prototype files for everything from the backup and respaned them everywhere..."
    Moses: "Curse this feeble mortal mind, Lord, you've lost me."
    God: "You know, prototypes? Like a definition of each animal? A master copy of each animal, one per sex? Male lion, female lion, male zebra, female zebra..."
    Moses: "So you had one male and one female of each species stowed away somewhere safe?"
    God: "Yep."
    Moses: "On a... what was the word, Lord? Backup?"
    God: "Uh, a big boat. Really big boat. I told this guy Noah to put one of each there."

    You can see where it's going :P

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