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Quantum Physics Parts Ways With Reality

aeoneal sends us to PhysicsWeb for news guaranteed to induce headache in those wedded to the reality of, well, reality. Researchers from the University of Vienna have shown the violation of a stronger form of Bell's inequality known as Leggett's inequality. The result means that we must not only give up Einstein's hope of "no spooky action at a distance," we must also give up (some of) the idea that the world exists when we are not looking. From the article: "[Studies] have ruled out all hidden-variables theories based on joint assumptions of realism, meaning that reality exists when we are not observing it; and locality, meaning that separated events cannot influence one another instantaneously. But a violation of Bell's inequality does not tell specifically which assumption — realism, locality, or both — is discordant with quantum mechanics." From the Nature abstract: "Our result suggests that giving up the concept of locality is not sufficient to be consistent with quantum experiments, unless certain intuitive features of realism are abandoned." Only subscribers to Nature, alas, can know what features those are, as PhysicsWeb doesn't tell us.

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  1. Re:bye-bye! by kestasjk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You might be interested to read about David Bohm's interesting theory - though a lot of people think it's garbage, it does illuminate the lengths you must go to to fashion a theory that is consistent with quantum mechanics yet doesn't completely shred your common sense notions of reality. What does common sense have to do with anything? The way we experience the world wasn't set up to be able to understand it, but to survive in it.

    When we see an insect being tricked into thinking an orchid is a female insect we think "That orchid doesn't look anything like an insect, what a strange mistake to make", and a bat might use echo location and see us being aroused by something that simply has the texture and shape of a piece of paper which doesn't resemble the texture or shape of a female human and wonder how we could make such a mistake.
    Our common sense and intuition don't necessarily tell us what's true, especially when it doesn't relate the world we evolved in, so we have to rely on experiments, and quantum theory constantly makes accurate predictions. If it's beyond our common sense and intuition then that's too bad for us.
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  2. Re:A layman's view by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. Occam's razor is all about pragmatism. It is not at all useful for determining truth, since the hoofbeats in the night might actually be some zebras that escaped from the zoo. What it does tell you is the safe side to place your bets, and, when it comes to models of reality, the pragmatists choice of the model that gets you your answers with the least fuss. Quantum mechanics has produced remarkably accurate results for a vast array of things -- indeed it has been tested to far greater accuracy than general relativity. It may well be that QM is just some complicated epicycle-like theory, but since we have no alternatives that can produce the same well tested answers it remains the safest bet, and the pragmatic choice for the model that gets those answers with the least fuss (since it is the only model that gets them at all).
  3. Why yes, I do by joeyspqr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fact, I have a degree in it.
    Hey kids. Get a degree in something you love, like Latin, or poetry, or whatever.
    Then go get a job doing your hobby, like computers (I'm not good enough to be a pro surfer). And keep practicing your love (yes, every kind of love).
    This will prevent quantum weirdness like waking up at 35 and realizing you hate your life.

    As far as the nature of reality ... that's as much as I know.

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  4. Re:bye-bye! by kripkenstein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quantum mechanics is an actual scientific theory based on empirical evidence, it's the interpretation of it that quickly gets into the whole area of "philosophy, but with complex equations".
    You are 100% right that QM is a scientific theory. But, to say that only the 'interpretation' of QM brings us into the realm of philosophy is perhaps somewhat inaccurate. The distinction between a 'theory' and its 'interpretation' is not that clear.

    In particular, theories are judged based on what you might call 'philosophical' notions. And in fact, the great physicists - Newton, etc. - all had very deep philosophical ideas about their theories (although those are perhaps less well-known).

    As an example, we now consider Newton's law of gravity to be correct (up to relativistic considerations). Yet, at the time, many thought this to be philosophical nonsense. For what is gravity - it is 'action at a distance', with no mechanism! When a billiard ball hits another, the operation of force is clear, but why should some force exist between two billiard balls far apart? This is pretty much the same issue as the 'nonlocality' issue with QM. It took quite a lot of convincing to get the scientific world to agree with Newton's 'action at a distance', and the discussion was both practical (numbers, experiments) and 'philosophical' (how it fits into the rest of the current picture of 'reality' at the time).

    Anyhow, just trying to point out that science and philosophy are not disconnected. As science gets more specialized, it may seem so, since scientists don't get any philosophical training these days (they used to, though!).
  5. Re:bye-bye! by kestasjk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you saying that you can't discover new technologies using quantum mechanics because it doesn't follow common sense?

    Or worse; are you saying science isn't worthwhile as a search for truth, and that scientific pursuits are only worthwhile when it helps create new products for consumption?

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  6. Crazy theories ahoy ! by tibike77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Or reality as we perceive it is the interaction of particles, rather than the particles themselves?"

    Funny you should say that.
    Ever since I started studying physics/chemistry in high-school (at about the same time, 5th grade or so), I stopped thinking of "matter" as the defining issue, and started focusing on interactions between them almost exclusively.
    It makes no difference wether a particle/molecule/object actually "exists" or what "internal make-up" it has, the only thing you should ever care about is what types of interactions it can have with other particles/molecules/objects... nothing more, nothing less.

    Well, the "knowing about possible types of interaction" issue kind of makes it almost mandatory to understand exactly what any entity is actually "made of", but that's a secondary issue... if you know how something behaves in any possible situation, regardless of what's inside... do you really need to know what's inside ?
    Or, rather, if you know how something reacts to any imaginable interaction, would you have any actual means to determine without the shadow of a doubt "what's inside" ?
    My personal answers are both negative: you don't need to know, and there's no way to know for sure.

    Heh, here's the craziest thory: what if "space", "time" and "energy" don't actually exist (or worse, what if they're ALL discrete, not continuous) ?
    Would we even be able to notice ? Or have we noticed that already (Planck's h) but can't grasp the concept ?

    For all intents and purposes, the entire universe actually existing (on one hand) or being a completely fictional construct/simulation (on the other hand) makes no difference whatsoever.
    So, basically, all what's left of reality is simply interactions between entities, not any of the entities themselves.

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