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Netcraft Shows Smartech Running Ohio Election Servers

goombah99 writes "Netcraft is showing that an event happened in the Ohio 2004 election that is difficult to explain. The Secretary of State's website, which handles election reporting, normally is directed to an Ohio-based IP address hosted by the Ohio Supercomputer Center. On Nov. 3 2004, Netcraft shows the website pointing out of state to a server owned by Smartech Corp. According to the American Registry on Internet Numbers, Smartech's block of IP addresses 64.203.96.0 – 64.203.111.255 encompasses the entire range of addresses owned by the Republican National Committee. Smartech hosted the recently notorious gbw43.com domain used from the White House in apparent violation of the Presidential Records Act, from which thousands of White House emails vanished." Update: 04/25 01:24 GMT by KD : ePluribus Media published a piece called Ken Blackwell Outsources Ohio Election Results to GOP Internet Operatives, Again on election eve 2006, when a similar DNS switch to Smartech occurred. They have been investigating the larger story of IT on Capitol Hill and elsewhere for two years.

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  1. Re:How reliable is the data? by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "change" is because the elections web site is only in operation for elections. Its operation was contracted to SmartTech by the Ohio Secretary of State. There was no "hack". Partisans and partisan companies are involved in the elections and voting process. The key is having enough oversight to keep everyone honest.

  2. Wrong IPs by pudge · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ohio: 64.203.98.137
    RNC: 64.203.98.0 - 64.203.98.127

    There is no evidence presented that the RNC controlled the Ohio server in question. It fell outside the range.

    1. Re:Wrong IPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Um... that would be great, if your information was accurate. Of course, the RNC is currently hosted at 64.203.98.129 according to Netcraft, which makes your statement that its block is 64.203.98.0 - 64.203.98.127 somewhere UPWARDS of 'dubious'. It's good to assume that Slashdotters aren't going to check your facts, isn't it?

  3. Re:Cheaters. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Informative

    Our democracy is in great peril as long as these "win at all costs" idiots are in the game.

    Well, what a relief that the democrats would never stoop to grandstanding, using foreign money to fund campaigns, submit thousands of fraudulant voter registrations in key races, retain congressmen caught with $90k of bribe cash in their freezers (and put them on the Homeland Security oversight committee! you can't make stuff like that up!), etc. Do you REALLY think that the other party's habit of doing things like taking election cash from China as donations through a monestary in California DOESN'T count as "win at all costs?" You need a different complaint.

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  4. Re:Wierd by jkauzlar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Search for wierd:

    Did you mean: weird

    Even more interesting is that the search for 'weird' and 'smartech' eventually leads to this interesting blog post which lists "Strange Domains Registered by the RNC"

    • africanamericansforbush.com
    • arabamericansforbush.com
    • asianamericansforbush.com
    • catholicsforbush.com
    • conservationistsforbush.com
    • democratsforbush.com
    • farmersandranchersforbush.com
    • jewishbushteam.com
    • laborforbush.com
    • militaryfamiliesforbush.com
    • nativeamericansforbush.com
    • sportsmanforbush.com
    • wstandsforwomen.com (I liked this one :)

    "After you've got your minority support locked away, you can then begin the attack ads:" (from the blog post)

    • democratflipflops.com
    • democratscaretactics.com
    • demsagenda.com
    • imaliberal.com
    • liberalswantyourmoney.com
    • stophillarynow.com

    "...and, of course, to anticipate attacks by grabbing(and squatting on) those domains first:" (from the blog post)

    • georgebushbites.com
    • georgebushbites.net
    • georgebushblows.net
    • georgebushsux.com
    • georgebushsux.net
    • georgewbushbites.com
    • georgewbushblows.net
    • georgewbushsucks.net
  5. Re:The implications of this terrifies me. $ by glassesmonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is horrible to leave out the actual reporting on this and only link to the NetCraft "smoking gun". The mods here really, really suck.

    This was first reported on by ePluribus Media back in Nov. 2006
    Ken Blackwell Outsources Ohio Election Results to GOP Internet Operatives, Again
    And again summarized yesterday by Columbus Free Press
    The GOP's cyber election hit squad

  6. Re:Obvious . . . by aftk2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Democrat party?

    You fail at political dialogue.

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  7. Sec State is NOT a partisan position! by coyote-san · · Score: 5, Informative

    Damn it, this is why the republicans are driving this country into the ground!

    The Secretary of State's office is NOT a partisan position. The Secretary swears to protect and defend the constitution (or whatever the equivalent is for Ohio state positions), not to protect the elephant. There should be a clear and unambiguous wall between the office holder's official actions and individual partisan actions, and should never, under any circumstances, use official resources for partisan purposes. When it's inevitable (the classic example being the president flying to events during the election season), the office holder is required to provide appropriate compensation for this use. E.g., equivalent first-class airfare for everyone on AF1, IIRC.

    With most secretaries of state, I would agree with you that it's probably nothing more than temporary hosting during a period of high use.

    But the outgoing Secretary of State, Blackwell (iirc), was extraordinarily partisan in his official acts. He's the reason why Ohio is usually the center of stolen election allegations. Given his amply documented bad behavior in the past, e.g., attempting to have his gubernatoral opponent disqualified on bogus grounds shortly before the election, a rational person would have no choice but to assume the worst and require proof that it truly was an innocent and unbiased decision.

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  8. Re:Breaking News by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dont forget: (sung to the tune of ""He's got the whole world in his hands") We get twoooo dollars... to the pound...

  9. Exactly right by glassesmonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    ePluribus Media reported this story back in Nov 2006 -- "Ken Blackwell Outsources Ohio Election Results to GOP Internet Operatives, Again"

    The NetCraft IP funny business was noted, and the election.sos.state.oh.us was updated and checked on from 2005 onwards, that is why you can look at NetCraft today on see a history of it. The list of domains hosted on SMARTech were also added to Robtex by querying a list of servers with a long list and adding to it over the years.

    This was posted by some asshat who read the Free Press article The GOP's cyber election hit squad and is trying to take credit.

  10. Re:Breaking News by ajs · · Score: 4, Informative

    I remember Carter VERY well. Why would you consider him worse than Bush?

    Where do I begin:

    Carter was more in the "Religious Right's" pocket than Bush ever will be. Carter was a Fundamentalist Christian (a religious affiliation), but it consistently galled the religious right (a political affiliation) that he wouldn't champion their causes. For example, he was politically pro-choice, but privately held that abortion was wrong.

    Were visiting dignitaries allowed a glass of wine with dinner while visiting the White House in 1978? Nope! Alcohol was banned in the White House by Carter. Ok... and that makes him a poor president, why? Remember, we're comparing him to a man who hired a flunky with no experience to head up FEMA!

    Average mortgage rates during the Carter administration were over 15%! I don't even pay credit cards 15%!!!

    Inflation was through the roof (12%).

    Unemployment was high (7%). The economy sucked under Carter. However, any economist worth their salt will tell you that this was an unavoidable consequence of global factors, including our exit from Viet Nam. There was also the fact that the Fed was still applying, what Greenspan would later prove to be a losing strategy for managing inflation. None of this was under Carter's control.

    Deficit spending went through the roof (the deficit for the fiscal year 1979 totaled $27.7 billion, and that for 1980 was nearly $59 billion).

    Devaluation of the dollar. These are consequences of a poor economy. Again, not Carter's doing.

    Gas shortages. Gas shortages are a tough problem, and I have to give R.R. credit for enhancing our oil options. Carter may or may not have responded in similar ways, but by the time any response was possible, he was out of office.

    Iranian hostage crisis.

    Failure to rescue Iranian hostages. This was a very touchy situation, and I doubt we'll ever know for sure what happened. All I'll say is that, from the PR perspective, Carter hosed this one and hosed it good. Beyond that, there's just too much that was never disclosed.

    Demoralization and dismantling of the US military Well, the dismantling of large chunks of the military was inevitable, after the buildup during Viet Nam. Even Reagan's huge buildup in the mid/late 80s was only a stopgap that lasted as long as the end of the cold war.

    Canceled the B1-B program as well as the MBT-70. (Both badly needed to compete with our enemy of the time... the Soviets who had the T-72 and the Tu-160 BLACKJACK) I see no reason that those were badly needed to cope with the Soviets, and Carter's dealings with the Soviets and with arms issues were a major accomplishment of his presidency.

    It's actually kind of sad. Carter was probably the most intelligent president in US history. He just sucked as president. I think he was the best president we ever had. He refused to allow congress to continue to play their games, and effectively gridlocked them for 4 years. A better 4 years, I couldn't ask for.

    but things were better when he took office than when he left and things were much, MUCH better after four years of Reagan. Military spending was through the roof. Deficit spending dwarfed Carter's administration. The CIA and NSA were dealing drugs for international power-plays. No, things were not "MUCH better" after four years of Reagan - not by a long shot.
  11. Re:Breaking News by Enry · · Score: 3, Informative

    Carter was more in the "Religious Right's" pocket than Bush ever will be. Were visiting dignitaries allowed a glass of wine with dinner while visiting the White House in 1978? Nope! Alcohol was banned in the White House by Carter.

    Oh noes!! Bring religious and being in the "religious right's" pocket are two different things. I don't think Carter is going around telling people that God came down to the White House and told him 'no more booze'.

    Average mortgage rates during the Carter administration were over 15%! I don't even pay credit cards 15%!!!

    Give it time.

    Inflation was through the roof (12%).

    Strong Fed has been keeping it low. Yay.

    Unemployment was high (7%).

    Unemployment is measured differently now than then. It's possible that unemployment now using the same measurements would be the same or higher.

    Deficit spending went through the roof (the deficit for the fiscal year 1979 totaled $27.7 billion, and that for 1980 was nearly $59 billion).

    What is it now? Oh right $521 Billion. And that's after having balanced the budget in the late '90s. So going from 0 to $521B is a bit more impressive.

    Devaluation of the dollar.

    $2 gets you a pound

    Gas shortages.

    Not sure why this hasn't happened yet. But $4/gal gas, here we come!

    Iranian hostage crisis.
    Failure to rescue Iranian hostages.

    Funny how that ended just as Reagan took office. And how a later scandal was called Iran/Contra. Huh.

    Demoralization and dismantling of the US military

    Yea, the day after Bush blames Democrats for keeping the troops in Iraq longer than they should, Gates says all tours get extended from 12 months to 15 months.

    Canceled the B1-B program as well as the MBT-70. (Both badly needed to compete with our enemy of the time... the Soviets who had the T-72 and the Tu-160 BLACKJACK)

    We still beat the Russians, right?

    Need I go on?

    Oh, please do. I don't see anything about Carter tortuing American citizens, or spying on their telephone or banking records. The Internets wasn't quite the same now as then, so I'll give Bush a pass on spying on that, at least in comparing to Carter. Maybe Carter is to blame for Walter Reed, or K Street, or leaking Wilson's name, or any of the collection of other scandals we've seen in the past 6 years that makes losing money on a failed land deal look almost..innocent.

    But you go on.

  12. Re:Breaking News by gunnk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just one comment on your exchange: Grandparent talked about the level of employment, you addressed the level of unemployment. Two different things since unemployment statistics relate to the percentage of job-seekers without work while employment is a measure of the percentage of the population that has jobs. If unemployed workers give up searching for jobs it is possible for unemployment AND employment statistics to both fall.

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  13. Breaking News: ePluribus Published this 11/7/06 by luaptifer · · Score: 2, Informative
    Since the original Netcraft hit, we're probably responsible for most all of the updates to that data since the first half of 2005. When we started forcing robtex to crawl the Smartech IP space, there were probably 30 to 50 domains known to the robtex database so it's been our priming that has populated robtex for the most part. We tracked the story back to Bush-loyalist Mike Connell once we discovered that he runs two companies, one for his "Who's who of Republican Politics", the second to create a "non-partisan, woman-owned, small business" to be able to get inside of dot gov. We learned of this in March 2005 and have been following him ever since. The several stories linked here will provide a much better context for your questions, speculations, dismissals, and so on. There's much more to come, we've only scratched the surface with these stories. Enjoy! Related stories
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  14. Re:Breaking News by c_forq · · Score: 3, Informative
    Study history much?

    What other president lied to start a war that has killed more than 3000 American troops?
    Well there were lies told before Vietnam (we didn't even admit we were there for a long time). There was also lying that led to the U.S. invasion of Cuba. And the U.S. invasion of Mexico. And Panama (okay, so we didn't invade Panama, but parking our gunboats in a way that blocked Columbia from a chunk of their own territory is close enough for me).

    What other president's administration has called the Geneva Convention "Quaint" and "Obsolete"?
    Seeing as not many Presidents even had the Geneva Convention, I will ignore this. If you look at the spirit of the Geneva Convention though you will find many presidents who would be in violation if it existed in their day.

    What other president has actually defended torture?
    See the CIA, and every President since 1947.

    What other president has overseen the arrest of innocent people (there have been "enemy combatants" released with their charges dropped), holding them for years as "enemy combatants" without any right to habeas corpus?
    Are you serious? Do you remember this thing called Japanese internment camps? Ever look into how Abraham Fucking Lincoln had some of his opposition jailed for being his opposition?

    What other president has overseen warrant-less NSA and FBI wiretaps?
    Well seeing as the NSA was the agency involved with ECHELON, I would say at least every President since the early 1960's.
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  15. Re:Breaking News by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1, Informative

    I believe that the unemployment numbers are related to the number of people collecting unemployment benefits. One of the things the Bush administration did to lower the unemployment numbers was to ensure that fewer people without jobs were entitled to the benefits.

    The Devil is always in the details.

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  16. Re:Fascism in the USA by JenniefromtheShire · · Score: 2, Informative
    I thought there were fourteen points:

    1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

    6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

    9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

    12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    ...and now for the kicker:

    14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear camp

  17. Re:Breaking News by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe that the unemployment numbers are related to the number of people collecting unemployment benefits.
    You believe wrong, but whenever unemployment comes up on slashdot somebody has to bring up this myth. Read the bureau of labor statistics information on the subject here: http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
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  18. Re:Breaking News by jratcliffe · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Dow Jones Average is up, but most individual stocks are still trading low and many companies are posting lower-than-average numbers. You can't look at the average itself and use that as a reliable indicator of the health of the economy.

    1. All the major indices with the exception of the tech-heavy NASDAQ are at or near all-time highs, including the broadest-based (i.e. Russell 2000). The NASDAQ is at post-bubble highs.

    2. Most individual stocks are not "trading low," whatever that means. See my comment above.

    3. Many companies are posting "lower-than-average" numbers. In fact, about half of them are (that's what average means), unless you meant median, in which case exactly half of them are.

    Your point that the market conditions don't tell the whole story about the US economy is well-taken, but the assertion that the equity markets aren't doing well just isn't supported by the facts.

  19. Re:Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The president does not appoint the fed chairman. The fed selects individuals for consideration and tells the president who they think should have the job and then the president selects that person. It appears as if the president selects the person but in actuality he does not.

  20. Re:Breaking News by Holmwood · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is insightful?

    If I posted "Just because Windows 98 has lots of security holes doesn't mean OpenBSD/FreeBSD/NetBSD is any more secure. I'm pretty sure that's true. I'll have to do some research to back this up", would I really get modded insightful?

    From the actual text of GCIII (1949), Part 1, Article 2, para 3:

    Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.

    In other words, signatories are bound if a non-signatory abides by the convention, otherwise they aren't. Since beheading people, parading them on TV, and mass suicide bombings of civilians are clearly non-compliant with the Conventions, the US is not bound by GCIII as a matter of international law in dealing with al Qaeda or similar organizations.

    That doesn't mean the US can do whatever it wants -- it's still not allowed to kill people it's captured, and UCMJ also applies.

    It also doesn't prevent the US from abiding by GCIII, and here as a matter of personal opinion I think the administration was very unwise and set a foolish precedent. Your opinion may vary.

    In Vietnam, for example, the US chose to treat North Vietnamese POW's under the Conventions, but not the Vietcong, even though neither force was abiding by the Geneva Conventions.

  21. Re:Breaking News by hubie · · Score: 2, Informative

    Were visiting dignitaries allowed a glass of wine with dinner while visiting the White House in 1978? Nope! Alcohol was banned in the White House by Carter.

    I can't find any reference for that. Are you sure you are not confusing this with Rutherford Hayes' wife Lemonade Lucy in 1878?

    As an avid homebrewer myself, I am certainly appreciative of Carter's signature on HR1337 in 1978 that legalized brewing beer in your home.

  22. Re:Breaking News by kalidasa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok, do you understand that if you're killing more and more al-Qaeda every day, and the numbers never drop, that means that you're not reducing an exhaustible supply - that you're making more of them by the very measures you claim to be using to eliminate them?.

  23. Re:Breaking News by vtcodger · · Score: 5, Informative
    ***Demoralization and dismantling of the US military Well, the dismantling of large chunks of the military was inevitable, after the buildup during Viet Nam. Even Reagan's huge buildup in the mid/late 80s was only a stopgap that lasted as long as the end of the cold war.***

    A common misunderstanding Carter was handed a disfunctional military by Nixon, Ford, and Donnie Rumsfeld -- who was as much a disaster in his first tour at Defense as he was in his second. Carter INCREASED real military spending by 3% in each of his four budgets (which were 1978,1979,1980 and 1981 BTW not 1976-1980) That's just about the same rate that Reagan increased spending until Congress eventually stepped in and decided that the US had about as big a military as it could afford. Defense spending as a percentage of GDP was 4.7 percent when Carter took office. It was 5.2 percent when he left.

    Don't believe me? Look it up. It's public record.

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  24. Re:Breaking News by TheGeneration · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sure thing, here you go:

    "First, almost all of the new jobs created in July were in the service industries (generally lower paying jobs with worse benefits) as the employment picture is still very bleak in the manufacturing and good producing sectors (generally higher paying jobs with better benefits)."

    Source: OMBwatch

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  25. Re:Breaking News by sgt_doom · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just two items I would like to add to enhance your excellent post, Good Citizen ajs:

    Further problems with the economy (although most resulted from the deficit spending for that tragic military-industrial-complex profit endeavor, the Vietnam War) resulted from the Arab Oil Boycott due to Nixon's aiding Israel in the Yom Kippur War, nothing Jimmy Carter ever did.

    Also, it was Jimmy Carter who put in place those trade boycotts with the Soviet Union after they invaded Afghanistan - something which was bringing them to their knees, economically speaking, but the same trade boycotts that Ronald Reagan immediately ended by his 23rd day in the White House.

    And as a sidebar, it bears mentioning that the horrible throwaway mission, Operation Eagle Claw (the abortive attempt to rescue the American hostages held in Iran - and it certainly appeared to be nothing more than a BS mission by many of us combat vets), was planned by no other than General Richard Secord, latter deeply involved in Reagan's Iran-Contra scandal and an individual with a very shady past....

  26. Re:Breaking News by rhakka · · Score: 2, Informative

    What you mean is, no one should have to take responsibility for starting an unnecessary and failed war?

    "Ooops, sorry! didn't mean to mess it up!"

    It's a fucking WAR, jackass. If you're going to start one... when you're already in one, especially... you better be damn sure, not selectively filtering your CIA reports and LYING.

    You know, colin powell? The UN? Yeah, the administration had been told all that was wrong already. He said it anyway. That's LYING. Very simple.

  27. Re:Breaking News by TheGeneration · · Score: 2, Informative

    here are a couple more sources: BLS.gov

    And an article interpreting that government report: article
    "Look at the jobs we are creating. Yes construction (higher paying jobs) rebounded but much of the real growth is in leisure and hospitality, which are very low paying jobs."

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  28. Re:Dollar/Pound = $2.42 when Carter left office by Enry · · Score: 2, Informative

    In 2001, it was $1.42 to the pound. Now it's $2. It's not as bad as Carter, but it's not much better ($.70 for Carter, $.58 for Bush, Clinton was -$.43!). Throw in the fact that currency markets are starting to leave the dollar and switch to Euro or other currency and it doesn't really help Bush all that much.

  29. Re:Breaking News by jmac1492 · · Score: 1, Informative

    [Carter] canceled the B1-B program as well as the MBT-70. (Both badly needed to compete with our enemy of the time... the Soviets who had the T-72 and the Tu-160 BLACKJACK)
    Instead of the MBT-70, today we have the M1 Abrams Tank as a result of Carter's actions. The only way to see how well the Abrams tank compares to the T-72 would be if they were engaged in a massive tank battle. Or two. Like the battles at Medina Ridge or 73 Easting. For those too lazy to look, they were both decisive American victories where Abrams tanks utterly destroyed the T-72s. (By the way, Medina Ridge was the largest single tank battle the United States has ever been involved in.) The Abrams tank has been around for about 30 years, and never has one been lost to enemy fire. Ever. With that kind of track record, forgive me for not shedding a tear for a program that was cancelled to make way for it.
    As for the Blackjack and the B1-B, yeah, Carter canceled it. (Not very well; the bomber is actually in service today.) He used the money for upgrading the B-52s to fire new kinds of missles, which actually pissed the Soviets off more than the introduction of the B1-B did. He also secretly used some of the money to develop the first stealth bombers. And we all know how useless they are.
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  30. Re:Breaking News by daigu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, I'm pretty sure the president appoints the members of the Federal Reserve.

    From the Federal Reserve site:

    The seven members of the Board of Governors are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve 14-year terms of office.

    The Federal Reserve is designed to be resistent to political changes. Also, Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Chairman and he served through 1987. If it about picking the right Federal Reserve Chairman, perhaps Carter deserves more credit - as Carter's Wikipedia article would have it:

    With the markets for U.S. government debt coming under pressure, Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board; Volcker replaced G. William Miller who left to become Secretary of the Treasury. Volcker pursued a tight monetary policy to bring down inflation, which he considered his mandate. He succeeded, but only by first going through an unpleasant phase during which the economy slowed and unemployment rose, prior to any relief from inflation.
  31. Re:Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually, there are ways to fight Insurgents. The UK SAS has been very successful in the past in doing just that. Historically however the USA has been totally bloody useless in this kind of war.

    The reason you can't win against a popular gorilla force is because the enemy and the population are inseperable. They are one and the same. The way to defeat insurgents is to remove popular support. Sadam did this by imposing stability and giving benefits (education, transport, health etc) for supporting his regime. Iraquis did not fight Sadam's army because things would get sharply worse for them if they did (You want to blow up what? No! We live here!).

    Want to win? Easy! Choose one small community. Build a school and some roads. Buy some pumps and tanks for water. Say to the community leaders "We are genuinly here to make your life better. See what we've done for you? Now, soon there will be coming some men with guns to take all this away from you. They will steal and sell your things to pay for bullets. They have guns. Perhaps you should tell us when they show up." Suddenly the community is not so keen to aid and supply insurgents.

    Unfortunatly these goals are politically unpalatable for the USA. The Army is over there to punish the shit out of "Those damn terrorist towl heads" for being evil. This and improving a community's standard of living are mutually exclusive. Factor in all the Fat Bastards who are making money in pork-barrel contracts and things become unwinable.

    Vietnam could have been "won". Just not by shooting Vietnamise.

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