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India's Successful Commercial Satellite Launch

An anonymous reader writes "Yesterday India successfully launched an Italian astronomical satellite. A BBC article (view video clip) notes that the launch grants India membership in the exclusive group of nations that can sustain commercial satellite launches. India's launch vehicle has less overall capacity than the competition — up to 1,500 kg to orbit — but the country plans to sweep the low end of the market by offering the lowest cost per launched kilogram for smaller payloads."

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  1. Re:Next superpowers... by vivaoporto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, I don't know if in a multilateral world (as opposed to the Bi-polarized Cold War world) there is space to the concept of "Superpower" anymore, but if there is (along with India and China), Brazil, South Africa and Australia stands a chance too. A lot of economic and technological development happening barely unnoticed south of the equator too.

  2. Re:Small payloads? by namityadav · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think that this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research _Organisation article has some good details about the Indian Space program, for those interested.

  3. Re:Does anyone know... by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    Their bomb is very touchy about its weight you insensitive clod. And no it's not fat, it just has an alternative structural framework.

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  4. Re:W00T! by namityadav · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No government spends all it's money on sanitation first before looking into something more progressive like Space research. I appreciate it when a country looks towards the future, and not just the immediate short-term solutions.
    The somewhat betterment of the conditions (And I do not turn a blind eye to the fact that these betterments are still only on the surface) in India is largely because of it's new-found IT power, opening of market to the west and getting more exposure to the outside world. Not because India was employing more people in the Sanitation department. Continuing in the same direction will have a good enough trickle-down effect to eventually help sanitation too (I know that you used sanitation only as an example. I am also using it only as an example).

    Moreover, unlike most other space agencies, the Indian program still focuses a lot on educational broadcasting and remote sensing. Better than launching those "Spy" satellite, IMHO.

  5. Holy Cow... by Notquitecajun · · Score: 3, Funny

    What CAN'T you outsource to India?

    And there's a "thank you, come again" joke around here somewhere...

  6. list please? by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is too much to ask, that a link labeled "nations that can sustain commercial satellite launches" might actually include information about which nations can sustain commercial satellite launches?

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    1. Re:list please? by Palmyst · · Score: 3, Informative

      "India is the fifth entry into the commercial satellite launch business after the US, Russia, China, Ukraine and the European Space Agency", says http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s19047 77.htm and many other reports.

  7. Re:Or, for ICBMs... by bommai · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While I am sure India would like to have a deterrant against China and Pakistan in a military context, satellites in India have been put to good use. Most of rural India can get accurate weather forecasts that helps them figure out when to plant, and harvest their crops. It also predicts weather patterns and climate changes. Television and other broadband communication is also possible. India has several satellites in orbit. The Geosynchronous satellites were all designed and made in India but were launched from French Guyana (typically) from a EU made rocket. With India getting better at making launch vehicles, they could build and launch satellites on their own as well as provide launch support for other countries. I am glad they are doing this and I am glad that gives hope and aspirations to generations of Indians. Remember, hope and aspirations count for a lot in the betterment of a country.

  8. Re:Next superpowers... by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's the reason I hoped you had left them off, rather than the typical US "dang soshlist ferners cain't do nutin' right!" reasoning. ;-)

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  9. Only PolySci and SocialWork use "betterment" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...in the betterment of a country.


    Only political science and social work majors use "betterment" when the rest of the English-speaking world would use "improvement".
    1. Re:Only PolySci and SocialWork use "betterment" by paeanblack · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only political science and social work majors use "betterment" when the rest of the English-speaking world would use "improvement".

      Why? It's a perfectly cromulent word.

    2. Re:Only PolySci and SocialWork use "betterment" by sconeu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Proper use of "betterment" embiggens the language.

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  10. Re:Small payloads? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    for those interested.
    Move along. Most of the people here who get modded up seem to be more interested in poking fun at the Indians because of their food, the way they talk, a fictitious character in The Simpsons, or some done-to-death jokes about outsourcing. But I'm sure they'll stop laughing when they realise that the unipolar world centered on Washington hasn't materialised, and finally gotten the concept of people with dark skin doing something clever.
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  11. Racism acceptable on /. where India is concerned by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've all but stopped reading /. threads on Indian technical developments. The predictable torrent of snide little stereotypical racist comments that seem to get modded 'funny' is a bit off-putting, and they usually outnumber any vaguely interesting or informative comments by about 7 to 1. The /. crew needs to grow the hell up.

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  12. But are they competitive? by Palmyst · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to various reports, they charged the Italians USD 11 million for the launch of the 350 kg satellite. Roughly $30k per kg while international norm is 10-15k per kg for LEO. Also the launch cost them $15 million. So the launch is still subsidized by the Indian government and they are charging the customer more than the market rate. How is this "commercial", and how is it competitive?

  13. Re:Next superpowers... by vivaoporto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Canada is also already one of the big players, and a very nice one too. One of the biggest economies of the world, fierce enough to have entered both world wars as soon as Britain did, but peaceful enough to stay out of most of the conflicts the rest of the world got involved afterwards.

    I didn't mentioned the current top dogs because then can't go higher, they are already at the top. But Brasil, India, China, Australia, South Africa, all these countries still have an unfulfilled potential, and I hope that in the next decades they will get their act straight and rise to the place they are supposed to be.

  14. Re:Racism acceptable on /. where India is concerne by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, if something gets modded funny by more people than mod it overrated, than it is funny. /.'s mod system is as good as anything else at defining humor, and better than a lot of TV network panels, if you ask me. They're certainly not perfect, but funny is not something individuals can pick so well. Can something be funny and insulting? Sure, but if you're going to get offended by something in that vein, I'm not sure /. (or many public message boards) are for you.
    Oh, so not only is racism funny, but /. is now a racists-only zone? Thanks for clearing that up.

    Second, the Indian customer service phenomenon, which is the majority of cultural humor on this topic, is a big deal in India; has made a huge impact on life there--and they have their own sitcom about it!* Do the jokes get cliched and watered down after a while? Certainly. And some are much better than others. But I for one am glad that they are there.
    Well bully for you. Personally I think that racist jokes are as inappropriate as they are cliché and irrelevant to the topics that provoke them. How would you like it if every story submitted about the US space program was met with a deluge of wisecracks about redneck moonshine-distillers, John Wayne, a gun-toting population, and your half-educated president? You'd start to wonder if it were possible to have a sensible discussion on anything, wouldn't you?
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  15. Re:Next superpowers... by vivaoporto · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, good lucky bringing democracy to Brasil. Because (don't they teach history and geography around there? wherever there is), Brazil is already a democracy, and a strong one too. The current president, Lula, just won the second term receiving impressive 58.2 million votes, after winning his first term with 56.7 million votes, for a population of around 180 million people.

    Compare that with 50.4 million votes for Bush on his first term, and 62 million votes on his second term, to measure the strength of Brazilian democracy, taking in account that, differently from U.S.A, not only there are more than 2 effective parties in Brazil but any candidate from any party appears equally on the ballots in the whole federal territory.

    Add that to a nationwide deployed electronic voting system (even in the middle of the amazon forest there is electronic voting) that really works, and you can understand how much Brazilian people trust the electoral process there, unlike U.S.A.

    I cannot speak for India (that happen to be a democracy too, afaik), but at least Brazil needs no help from U.S. Actually, the more far away U.S. gets from Latin America democracies, the better (go lookup "Operation Condor" and "Escuela de las americas" to understand how U.S. undermine Latin American democracies in the past).

  16. Re:can you blame them? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if by competitive you mean undercutting first world by living in "developing" conditions, settling for income which wouldn't qualify to pay for a refrigerator box in the middle of highway 1 let alone raise a family, then yeah.. it's competitive.
    Damn straight it's competitive. It's less than what you earn, more than what he would earn without outsourcing and therefore makes life better for him. If you can't compete, get another job. Innovate. Start a business. Get off your ass and do something. Don't just sit there expecting some communist-style subsidy or GW Bush-style protectionist tarriffs to keep your standard of living inflated to such dizzy heights while half the world squats in poverty. I know you'd just love to keep all that wealth to yourself but there are about 6 billion other people in this world too you know. If they can raise their income at the expense of a certain gas-guzzling nation that burns up 25% of the world's resources but only has 5% of the world's population, then fair fucks to them.

    youre really sensitive to racism but youre perfectly ok with the dispossession of the middle class of an entire nation for the sake of another which should be building its own middle class without draining the wealth of another... im confused as to what political affiliation youre supposed to have.
    Your justification of racism is noted. And I'm a bit confused as to why you think the USA is entitled to keep all the world's wealth to itself. Is that part of your 'manifest destiny' or something?
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  17. Re:can you blame them? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    stop contradicting yourself
    Wait until I start contradicting myself and I'll think about it. "Troll" indeed!

    youre either for the communist ideal of wealth redistribution or youre not. if youre for it you cant use "communist" as a derogatory term, and if youre not you have no right to assert the rights of other nations to steal american's jobs.
    "Steal?" That would be an illegal thing. Here is the news. Open markets and free trade are LEGAL! Outsourcing is LEGAL. "Theft" has shit all to do with it. Communism is all about putting artificial constraints on the market. Free trade is the opposite, leading to a better distribution of wealth. Better distribution of wealth isn't an ideal exclusive to communists, free marketeers would like to see it too. But feel free to redefine free trade as 'communism' for the purposes of your argument if you want.

    if india wants the freaking jobs, they should start their own companies and create their own job market rather than destroying the american job market.
    Oh here we go! So you're another protectionist "keep the jobs in the hands of good, white, god-fearing christian folks y'hear" merchant? What makes your country so special that you're entitled to hang on to all the world's cool jobs when there's a bunch of people elsewhere who can do the same work for less, hmm? Anything to do with skin colour? Or is it a nationality thing? Something to do with your 'manifest destiny' or something?

    Here is the news. There's a big bad world out there and it's got COMPETITION for you. If you don't compete, you get eliminated. So you either do it right (i.e. do a better job than the Indians) or get out of the heat of the kitchen and do something else. It's very simple.

    And in the meantime, you might also want to think about fixing that little racism problem.

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