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How Wii Is Creaming the Competition

CNN has a report on the Wii's success in the games marketplace right now, referring to their sales dominance as 'creaming the competition'. The article tries to break down exactly why Nintendo's console has sold so successfully, discussing the system's marketing, engineering, and philosophy. "Next, engineers settled on a new approach for the Wii's looks. Just as the DS shunned the Game Boy name to appeal to a broader audience, the Wii would adopt a sleek white exterior instead of the toylike loud colors used on the GameCube. Even CEO Iwata got involved in the design process; at one point he handed engineers a stack of DVD jewel cases and told them the console should not be much bigger. Why so small? To work with the motion-sensitive wireless controller Nintendo planned, Iwata reasoned, the console would have to sit directly beside the TV. Make it any larger and customers would hesitate to leave it there. " Their sales strategy is working in spades. CVG reports that at least one analyst thinks that Wii demand won't be met until 2009. This past weekend Chris Kohler had an interesting comment on the 'ambassador programs' Nintendo ran in advance of the Wii's launch, and how that might tie in to the system's financial success.

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  1. They're outselling them? by BobPaul · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd have to say it's quite obvious. Nintendo is creaming the competition by selling more units then them...

    1. Re:They're outselling them? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With a new gimmick, great brand name and at half the price is there really any wonder why?

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    2. Re:They're outselling them? by Erwos · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Dreamcast sold extremely well when it first came out, too. Didn't stop Sony from slaughtering Sega later, though. You've got to follow through on that initial lead, and I'd argue NO ONE has done that particularly well this time around.

      The Wii outsold the Xbox 360 by 25% last month. That's certainly a sizable lead, yet it's not exactly what I'd call "creaming the competition". I'd also argue that the Wii's monthly software sales have been underwhelming - Wii Play has been propping up the numbers to a large extent, and that's a $10 game bundled with an accessory.

      Now, if you want to talk about getting creamed, let's talk about the PS3...

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    3. Re:They're outselling them? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "I'd say Sega slaughtered itself more than Sony did. The Dreamcast's lack of copy protection, while great for homebrew, made it a very easy target for software piracy."
      Sure, that was a problem but look at the history of the Dreamcast. The hardware sold well for a short period of time and then numbers of consoles sold fell off. If your thesis was correct, shouldn't we expect to see a huge installed user base of the console coupled with poor sales of games?

      That is not what took place. The Dreamcast sold well but then slumped badly after Sony promised the moon with the PS2. Even if you only look at the sales figures in a vacuum - a drop in hardware sales does not indicate, to me at least, a problem with widespread piracy. If anything, piracy should have helped to move more numbers of consoles.

    4. Re:They're outselling them? by badasscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Wii outsold the Xbox 360 by 25% last month. That's certainly a sizable lead, yet it's not exactly what I'd call "creaming the competition". I'd also argue that the Wii's monthly software sales have been underwhelming

      Well, its hardware sales have honestly been somewhat underwhelming too - despite what the article here would lead you to believe. That stuff about them not meeting demand until 2009? Makes it sound like customers are just clamoring to get their hands on the Wii, when the truth is they sold 259,000 units last month. That's about average for any game console, and only a little better than the Xbox 360, which has systems sitting on store shelves all over the country.

      The truth is one of two things: either Nintendo's having major production problems, or they're artificially and intentionally short-supplying for PR purposes. If it's the latter, it appears to be working - for now. Lots of people talk about how Nintendo "can't keep up with demand", which implies that demand is great. But that will only last for so long, as people see the actual monthly sales numbers.

      They're doing better than MS or Sony right now, and selling more units, so I'm not saying this is all completely overhyped. But I would argue that any game manufacturer that can't make more than 259,000 units a month - especially one that's as relatively simple as the Wii, and especially one that's been on the market for six months now - has some serious problems. Their inability to meet demand is only good news if that means they're selling a huge number of units, but that's not the case. They're unable to meet demand because their production capacity is much too low, which just means they're leaving potential customers' money on the table and selling a lot fewer units than they should be.

    5. Re:They're outselling them? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, its hardware sales have honestly been somewhat underwhelming too - despite what the article here would lead you to believe. That stuff about them not meeting demand until 2009? Makes it sound like customers are just clamoring to get their hands on the Wii, when the truth is they sold 259,000 units last month.

      Well, had they produced and shipped more, they might have sold more.

      I don't go out every day or call around all of the time, but if I'm in a store that might sell Wii's, I check to see if they have one. I know I want to get my hands on one. Maybe they sold all they produced? If I find one, I'll buy it on the spot, and I bet others are thinking the same thing.

      The truth is one of two things: either Nintendo's having major production problems, or they're artificially and intentionally short-supplying for PR purposes.

      I get the impression that if they could produce more, they would. Of course, I don't know this, but I don't need to think of it as a conspiracy to artifically inflate the price. I'm not even sure that translates into production problems, so much as their capacity isn't near large enough for the apparent demand.

      I know I want one. I assume there are others who want them. That could be a simple matter of scarcity of supply.

      Why does everything need to be a conspiracy around here?

      But I would argue that any game manufacturer that can't make more than 259,000 units a month - especially one that's as relatively simple as the Wii, and especially one that's been on the market for six months now - has some serious problems.

      You would argue that from talking out of your backside, or an actual insight and understanding into their manufacturing process? Seriously, all of the analysts I've read so far don't agree with you. They realize that the demand is high, but they seem to think there are real reasons why they wouldn't be able to keep up with production demand.

      Their inability to meet demand is only good news if that means they're selling a huge number of units, but that's not the case. They're unable to meet demand because their production capacity is much too low, which just means they're leaving potential customers' money on the table and selling a lot fewer units than they should be.

      Well, if you're selling all you can make, that's good news. They're not really decreasing the number of potential customers -- they're just producing fewer than they could sell if they could produce more. I bet if they could make another 100,000 per month, they'd probably sell those. There is clearly a demand for it. Yes, over time some consumers might say 'bugger it' and forget all about it. Or, people (like me) are really clamouring for the game experience we've heard such lovely things about -- I for one am really looking forward to a change from traditional gaming.

      I guess we'll figure out how much demand is out there over the next few months, and more people who wanted them get their hands on them. If demand immediately falls flat at some point, they will have saturated the market and there is no demand. If they keep selling that many consoles for the next several months, then there really is a demand for that many.

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  2. On top of its merits... by faloi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Wii also has the advantage of being hit with supply problems. Nothing makes the average consumer want something more than knowing they can't have it. It's affordable, has some pretty good games out there at release, and is in short supply. It's a trifecta!

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    1. Re:On top of its merits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not sure that 6.5 million of anything in five months qualifies it for being in short supply. Oxygen molecules?
    2. Re:On top of its merits... by trdrstv · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Anyone who has had a Wii since launch, like I have, is now probably feeling that there's a bit of a "drought" of new games. The most noteworthy release has been "Cooking Mama", which no manly man would admit to owning.

      But now it's up to third parties to exploit the console. I personally feel very bored of Zelda and Mario, and I really hope that third parties see the huge potential in this thing and adjust their platform objectives accordingly.

      Meaning - bring on the "adult" games, people! It's ridiculous that so far, only EA has released a decent port of an old game (The Godfather).

      The issue is timing. Publishers want to get out to market fast, with a sizeable 'Mature game' but that takes time.

      That's why for now we have to be content with: Godfather, Scarface, & RE4 for now, and RE:UC, No more heroes and Manhunt for later.

      Say what you will about the Godfather, but I like it. The motion controls make it better, and it's a good looking game (real good by say X-box standards) and it is a very big game. Vice City wasn't created in a day, and it will take some time for these new original properties to get made for the Wii.

  3. I don't know about this.. by zyl0x · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Personally, I own both a 360 and a Wii, and while I've had tremendous fun with my Wii - especially over the holidays - I've recently found myself playing my 360 again. The lack of integrated multiplayer as well as the poor selection for Wii titles is making me start to regret my purchase, which is the last thing I want to do. Really, I've enjoy the Wii a lot so far, and I'm excited to see what developers will do to utilize this unique system, but if they don't start coming out with titles that aren't lousy ports from the other systems, I may find myself selling the poor thing. I could probably get double what I paid for it, too.

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  4. Because Nintendo and Microsoft work together by sexyrexy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Wii is not a threat to the 360 because the only market segment that overlaps between the two is also the market segment that would not think twice at buying both. Nintendo and Microsoft strategically position their products to harm Sony, which tries to have (almost) as broad an appeal as the Wii and fails largely because of the price point, and tries to be as hardcore as the 360 and fails largely because of the lack of games. Both companies working together strengthens both their positions and damages their mutual competitor.

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  5. Interesting by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This reminds me of how Palm succeeded where Newton failed. I liked the Newton, but Newton design was driven by a futuristic vision. Palm design was built around simple practical aspects of the user's experience, such as the utility of carrying the device around in a shirt pocket comfortably.

    You'd think human centered product design would be a no-brainer, but clearly its harder to do than it sounds. It isn't just getting the details right, its being bold in choosing not to do things. Making shrewd decisions not to do things conventionally thought necesssary characterize the breakthrough designs of the Wii and Palm.

    I think the reason that we see so few excellent product designs is that its hard to let go of preconceptions. So much of business runs on swagger.

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  6. Re:I'm not buying a WII... by wiggles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Repeat after me: "I, state your name, am NOT in Nintendo's target demographic."

    You are most likely male, between the ages of 18 and 25. You are not who Nintendo wants to sell these things to. They want to sell to adults, with careers and families, who want to pick up a game to play for 20 minutes -- not hard core gamers. They want to sell to thirtysomethings (like me) who played NES, SNES, Genesis, Turbografix, etc. back in the day, and want to share the games they used to play with their children.

    They want people who can pick up a game and have fun for the short amount of free time they have. It's hard to do that with an Xbox or PS* -- it's not fun getting pwned by some 12 year old with nothing better to do with his time than play Halo for 40 hours a week.

    It shocks the hell out of me that they were the first ones to realize this market even exists.

  7. Re:I'm not buying a WII... by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But surely to "cream the competition" one must steal customers away from your competitors, and therefore targeting people in those competitors' target market.

    Nope. You can either do that or you can attract other customers and expand the market. It doesn't matter if the competition is getting the same absolute number of customers they would have anyway, as long as they're still getting relatively much fewer customers than you.

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  8. Re:I'm not buying a WII... by alcmaeon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It shocks the hell out of me that they were the first ones to realize this market even exists."
    Actually, I think Microsoft figured it out with solitare and networked checkers, but they just didnt' figure out how to make money at it.

  9. Re:I'm not buying a WII... by radish · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking as a male, aged 32, with a career and a wife, I can say that I play my 360 MUCH more than the Wii. I still don't play a lot, as you rightly point out time doesn't allow it, but I'd rather play 20-30 mins of Crackdown or a few races of PGR3 than any of the Wii games I have so far. My wife likes the Wii, but that's because she's a Mario fan so she's currently hooked on Super Paper Mario. But I don't think she's even played any of the other games apart from Wii Sports which kept her interested for maybe 30 mins total.

    We also play casual games on both platforms, but we both prefer the new games (like Boom Boom Rocket, Cloning Clyde, Zuma, etc) on XBLA much more than the old stuff on VC. I think if Nintendo opened the VC up to non-retro titles (maybe even homebrew as MS are planning to do with XNA) it could be pretty cool. Don't get me wrong, I loved paperboy as a kid, but it doesn't really do anything for me anymore.

    So big up to Nintendo for selling all these boxes, I wish them well, but once SPM is done (few days now I'd guess) mine will be back gathering dust.

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  10. Re:Half the price my paw by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually it is a somewhat valid arguement.

    The Wii IS selling at those prices.
    PS3's are not selling at a loss.

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  11. it's the name by pohl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Every time the Wii is discussed, someone cracks a joke about "playing with his Wii", and there's much giggling. Combined with the hand gestures that arise from the new controllers, it's all one big phallic joke. And now it's "creaming" the competition. Lol. That's why.

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  12. Nintendo's secret - women like the Wii by rvbarthel · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have figured out the secret to the success of the Wii. Women like it. People have been talking about the elusive "woman gamer" for some time. Nintendo finally found them. Last weekend some guys from my office went to a party that featured a Wii. They played various Wii games with a group of woman until past midnight. One guy even scored. That would not have happened with an Xbox 360 party.

    1. Re:Nintendo's secret - women like the Wii by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      They played various Wii games with a group of woman until past midnight. One guy even scored. That would not have happened with an Xbox 360 party.

      But if it did, would it increase your Gamerscore on Live? Or would you lose points for doing the opposite of gaming?

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  13. Re:Xbox 360 is on shelves. Wii is not. by general+scruff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where do you live, and what do you charge for shipping???

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  14. Re:Half the price my paw by itcomesinwaves · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's even more interesting when you factor time in
    The 360 has been on sale for 18 months
    The PS3 and Wii have been on sale for 6 months

    The Wii has sold about twice as much as the PS3 in about the same amount of time
    The Wii has sold about 2/3 as much as the 360 in about 1/3 of the time.

    If nothing dramatic changes the Wii will be the best selling next-gen console by the end of the summer. Of course Halo 3 and GTA 4 could very well kick start the HD console sales in the fall. Either way, Xmas 2007 is when the first real battle of this generation will take place.

  15. Re:I'm not buying a WII... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You are most likely male, between the ages of 18 and 25. You are not who Nintendo wants to sell these things to.

    Case in point: I was at my parents house having dinner when my 57 year old mom said "I really like those Nintendo Wiis. I think I'll buy one." My jaw about hit the floor. Here's someone who has never played a video game for more than five minutes in her life talking about dropping $250 on a console. I asked her why she liked it, and she said that it wasn't just sitting in front of a screen, that it would help her stay active. She's worried about osteoporosis and gaining too much weight.

    Let me summarize for those who don't get it: A grandmother who is almost sixty wants a Wii. There are at least as many of them in the world as hardcore gamers, mostly because the hardcore gamers live in their basements.

    For what it's worth, I'm a 25-year-old male, but not a hardcore gamer. I get about 1 hour a day of downtime, which is split between the Web and TV. I'd like to buy a Wii, but I have to save some money since my wife and I are having a kid in October. So I'm going to stick with my NES I picked up at a yard sale for $20 along with about 80 games. That is, unless they release Guitar Hero 2 for the Wii.

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