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Thin Water Acts Like a Solid

Roland Piquepaille writes "What happens when you compress water in a nano-sized space? According to Georgia Tech physicists, water starts to behave like a solid. "The confined water film behaves like a solid in the vertical direction by forming layers parallel to the confining surface, while maintaining it's liquidity in the horizontal direction where it can flow out," said one of the researchers. "Water is a wonderful lubricant, but it flows too easily for many applications. At the one nanometer scale, water is a viscous fluid and could be a much better lubricant," added another one."

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  1. Nanoscale lubricant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, based on poor results getting it on in a swimmin pool, I can verify that water is a lousy lubricant at normal scale!

    1. Re:Nanoscale lubricant? by Pesh+Hawksfire · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rule 24 of the internet: Pics or it didn't happen.

  2. Not only thin... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Funny

    But cold water also acts like a solid at times.

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    1. Re:Not only thin... by wsherman · · Score: 5, Funny

      But cold water also acts like a solid at times.
      Unless you're trying to walk on it - then it acts like a banana.
    2. Re:Not only thin... by Some_Llama · · Score: 5, Funny

      But cold water also acts like a solid at times.

      Unless you're trying to walk on it - then it acts like a banana.
      And when you're trying to stick your tongue to it, then it acts like an adhesive.
  3. Re:PV = NRT . . . by appleguru · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's for gasses.... The article discusses... water as a liquid, acting as a solid... so no, Pressure (Pa) * Volume (m^3) != # moles * 8.31* T (K) here.

  4. We already know this... by kansei · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...it's called prison lube.

    1. Re:We already know this... by jcgf · · Score: 4, Funny

      uh, how did you know that?

  5. the actual reference... by kebes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's actually alot of evidence in the literature suggesting that water forms a "structured layer" on hydrophillic (water-compatible) surfaces, and around hydrophillic objects dispersed in water. For instance the mobility of water that structures around proteins has been described in the literature as "ice-like." These measurements are typically based on the density of the water or using things like conductivity to infer mobility.

    So the notion of water forming solid-like structures near surfaces is not entirely new. However, direct mechanical measurements of the mobility/viscosity of those last few atomic layers of water are not easy, so this paper certainly adds a valuable contribution to the field.

    The actual scientific paper in question can be found here: http://dx.doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevB.75.115415

    1. Re:the actual reference... by kebes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For anyone interested, the figures in the paper show clearly the structuring of water in layers near the surface. Moreover they directly measure that the viscosity jumps up considerably for distances less than 2 nm. The viscosity goes from the bulk water value (9E-4 Pa*s) when far from the surface, and increases to as high as 50 Pa*s (500 Poise or 50,000 cP) in the last 0.5 nm. To give you an rough idea of what this means, note that 50,000 cP is similar to the (bulk) viscosity of things like honey or ketchup (for a random table of values, see here or here).

      Of course this higher-viscosity persists only over a very short-range, but understanding these "nano-mechanical" properties is crucial for the design and construction of future nano-scale devices.

  6. Re:PV = NRT . . . by treeves · · Score: 4, Informative

    Of course, PV=nRT is the ideal gas law, but there is a similar relationship for monolayers -(pi)A = nRT - a 2D analog of the ideal gas law for a layer one molecule thick which is often a liquid on another liquid or on a solid. This is when the monolayer is sparse enough that it acts like a gas, even though it may be comprised of molecules which are liquid at that temperature. Pi in the formula is the film pressure and A is the area. This is not really related to the phenomena described in TFA.

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  7. Folding@Home did research with this by cdogbert · · Score: 5, Informative

    From what I can tell, F@H touched on this a while ago. I was reading the PS3 F@H articles, browsing through the "what good does F@H do?" and the "F@H is just a feel-good project" comments and looking at the results page when I stumbled across the above PDF and thought "Hey, that looks like something slashdot just reported on."

  8. Contrary to Popular Belief by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Contrary to popular belief, water organizes into layers when compressed into a nano-sized channel.


    I can't believe the popular notions of water in a nano-sized channel are false! Soon they'll be saying that the attorney general acts like a solid under pressure in a nano-sized tube. If we can't believe the popular notions of nano-tube water behavior, what can we believe? My life is a lie!
  9. Re:But what is the channel made of? by snoop.daub · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a hydrophilic channel. In a hydrophobic channel, the vapor phase is more stable than the liquid, so you get "cavitation" or "dewetting", as you approach the walls of the channel closer and closer, at some point all the water gets pushed out of the channel and the walls get pushed together.

    The phenomenon is well understood in the hydrophobic case, both experimentally and in simulations. This experiment is new, up till now they couldn't get down to such small separations, but they are overstating the case when they claim that this is a complete surprise... as another poster said, many many simulation studies have suggested a structuring of water near hydrophilic surfaces.

    Another neat thing happens when you have one wall hydrophobic and one wall hydrophilic. This has been dubbed a "Janus interface" after the two-faced Roman god, and there's a lot of interest in them.

  10. Re:IANASBIPOOTV But, DUH! by mstahl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh my god I can't believe I actually read that as "I Am Not A Scientist But I Play One On TV". . . .

    Be back soon guys . . . I'm gonna go outside for a while.

  11. Re:What happens when you learn by Deadstick · · Score: 5, Funny
    Why is its the only non apostrophized possessive?

    I think he has hi's possessives right.

    rj

  12. more prior research by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Turns out some guy in the middle east figured this out a couple of millennia ago. They called him the Nazarene or something; apparently even did some tricks where he walked on the stuff. Once again, slashdot is just recycling old news.