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Glitch Has Users Fuming, Google 'Frantic'

netbuzz writes "A problem with Google's Personalized Home Page feature has apparently cost a lot of users their carefully crafted doors to the Internet. And Google, which says it is frantically searching for a fix, also acknowledges that it is not sure if it will be able to recover the lost settings. 'The problem is the latest in what seems a regular stream of technical glitches and availability problems affecting Google's online services. In the past six months, Google services like Blogger, Gmail and Google Apps have all experienced significant technical issues that have left users fuming. The problems highlight one of the risks of relying on hosted applications providers, which offer to house software and its data for individuals and organizations. Google is one of the biggest cheerleaders for this software provisioning model, which many see as a viable option to the traditional approach of having users install applications on their own PCs and servers.'"

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  1. And In Other News... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Computers break down.

    News at 11.

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    1. Re:And In Other News... by elmarkitse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you're missing his point. Remotely hosting content opens people up to risks. He's going for the difference between outlook / thunderbird and gmail, and he makes a reasonable point. If my computer breaks down, I'm the fool who didn't back up. When a hosted solution goes down, everyone loses. It's not rocket science deduction he's doing, but it's still relevant to the overall point that Google goes down, service providers are inherently unreliable to some extent, and, as you said, life goes on. Unless it's me, and THEN I'm pissed.

    2. Re:And In Other News... by N0Nick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not like Google just lost everyone's email messages from the last 6 months. While I agree with your overall perspective and find the Google Personalized Home's data to be of little critical value (btw - it's not the modules and gadgets developers have been building, it's just.. personalized homepages. the selection and order of widgets across a page...) - you contradict yourself in the above example.

      "Shit happens", that's true. You should always be prepared. You should always backup.
      But... if Google lost everyone's email messages from the last 6 months would it be fair of Google to say "well you should've backed it all up"? After all, what is Gmail if not a purely-online, searchable e-mail archive?
      You can't expect users to be prepared for their archive to be destroyed, right? If Google wants me to manage my e-mail online, they can't expect me to download it all too, just in case.

      The "stream of technical glitches" described in the article, albeit overstressed, is pointing at something that should worry us: If the software market is going towards online services, where data is centralized and 1 server down means 1,000 users down - what strategic steps do we take in order to protect our users and our data?
  2. So many jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Searching? Have they tried Google?

    It's still in beta!

    Personal Home Page? I knew they should've have used PHP.

  3. So explain again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why storing all your data on some company's servers is a good idea?

    1. Re:So explain again... by KillerCow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So explain again... why storing all your data on some company's servers is a good idea?


      Because managing an email server is not my core concern.

      Say that you business is selling fruitcakes. You make awesome fruitcakes. That's your core. Everything else that you do is not fruitcakes.

      Do you grow the fruit yourself? Nope. You order them from some fruit company.

      Do you make the box that the cake goes in? Nope. You order boxes from a box making company.

      Do you make the machines that run in your plant? Nope. They come from an automation company.

      Do you generate the electricity to run your plant? Nope. The electric company does that.

      Do you sell the cakes directly to consumers? Nope. Retail grocery chains deal with the consumers.

      Do you sell them directly to retailers? Nope. You have a distributor who deals with them.

      Do you transport the cakes yourself? Nope. You contract to a logistics (trucking) company.

      Do you even clean your own toilets? Nope. There's a cleaning service.

      Why should you manage your own email servers? Contract that to a company who's core business is IT infrastructure. They are going to be better at it than you.

      The problem is, Google isn't that good at it. Their core business is search. Everything else is just someone's cool project idea, and not a real product with real resources and real support. It's all just "hey, look at this cool thing with a cool UI" and that's then end of it.
    2. Re:So explain again... by krbvroc1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      So explain again why storing all your data on some company's servers is a good idea? Because using a company like Google who has an unlimited data retention policy there is no chance your data will be lost.

      Oh wait...
    3. Re:So explain again... by ByteofK · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you sell the cakes directly to consumers? Nope. Retail grocery chains deal with the consumers. What... would you say... ya do here?
  4. Hmm by geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So 3 different apps have 1 hiccup each over the course of 6 months. If only my desktop applications were so reliable. I can't even count how many paragraphs in Word I've lost due to crashes, or how many settings I've lost in Gnome from random bugs. I don't see what the fuss is, it's still a matter of "shit happens" only Google seems to be rather responsive about it all.

    1. Re:Hmm by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At least my desktop applications have backups.
      I don't have to rely on 'frantic google engineers scrambling to find a fix'. I know absolutely that my data can be recovered.

      I backup my data based on how valuable it is to me.

      How valuable is your data to google? I know they try, and they even do a pretty dammed good job, but at the end of the day, you aren't even really their customer -- you are their product.

      Like a farmer raising chickens; they want them strong, well fed, happy, healthy, content, disease free, and they take steps to ensure they stay that way. But at the end of the day, they aren't really in it for the chicken's welfare.

    2. Re:Hmm by geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Every google app has the option of downloading a local backup, whether its pop mail via gmail or downloading your docs and spread sheets from google docs. You are responsible for your own data, period. If it's that critical for you, don't put it online. It's a free service, period. If you paid for it I'd see that argument as relevent, however, you don't.

    3. Re:Hmm by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Every google app has the option of downloading a local backup". Not the personalized pages.

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  5. Step away from the web by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many who use Google's Personalized Home Page feature - yours truly included - are trembling in fear today over the prospect of losing all of their carefully crafted settings to a bug that has Google engineers "frantic" to find a fix.
    You might want to think about getting out a bit more if loosing a few settings has you 'trembling in fear'.
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    1. Re:Step away from the web by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Funny

      losing. How frigging hard is it to type LOSING instead of LOOSING?

      I don't know, you managed to misspell "fucking." How hard was that for you?

  6. Refund by kbob88 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jeez, what a screwup! You'd think that Google would offer to refund affected users their license and subscription fees for the service! I mean if I paid good money for something like that and they messed it up, I'd be hopping mad. I'd take my business to all those other sites that offer all those cool Ajax apps along with the biggest search engine in the world. Not like I was getting something for free or anything!

    Oh wait a minute...

  7. Re:huge problem for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Forget losing my data, I'm using the "Seasonal" theme on my Google homepage and it's still showing snow-covered hills and a snowman. It knows from my zip code that I do not live in Siberia or even Buffalo. How is this seasonal!? I think Google should drop everything else and get on this one pronto.

    The above comment is proof positive that MBA's post at Slashdot.

  8. Re:Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe your company should invest in some decent infrastructure. Trust me, it isn't as expensive as you'd expect.

    I worked IT at a rather large firm several years back. During one of my interviews they bragged about their uptime. They had production mail servers that'd been up for 3 years. I thought they were full of shit. That was, until they hired me and I actually got to see these systems.

    Their entire email infrastructure was run off of four PCs. Two were in one city, and two were in a branch office in another major city on the other side of the country. The two I worked with ran BSD/OS, and had in fact been up for 3 years when I started. Of the other two at the other office, one ran FreeBSD, and the other ran NetBSD. When I left there, the BSD/OS server had been up for about 4.5 years, the FreeBSD server for just over 3 years, and the NetBSD server for just under 3 years. They kept their systems powered during outages using the typical battery backups you find at a Circuit City.

    They'd probably set up those systems for no more than $10,000, including hardware, BSD/OS, the battery backups, and the installation. When you consider the millions upon millions of dollars those systems helped bring in, it's really amazing that they could do so much with what was essentially so very little.

    There is no reason why your company can't have servers with uptimes approaching five years, if it's that important to you. And it can probably be done for a very minimal initial cost, and even then with minimal upkeep.

  9. Re:That's the trade-off... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This exactly the reason I don't believe all these reports that Google's (Or other) online apps will take over from local software. Sure online word processing can be handy, but if the network breaks, or their servers do you've got no comeback.

    And this is just lost data, which is easily fixed in any useful system via a sensible back-up policy.

    Wait until the first time a big web-based app doesn't mass-erase data, it mass-leaks it. As businesses stupid enough to trust their confidential documents to external systems watch their competitors get all their trade secrets for free, and consumers stupid enough to trust on-line systems to hold their credit card details securely for extended periods (I'm looking at you, Amazon) watch all their cards get defrauded, then people will realise that most web apps run by third party services simply don't offer any real advantage for anyone except lazy administrators.

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  10. beta.Google? by Heembo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought all of Google was still in Beta?

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    1. Re:beta.Google? by MBraynard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, exactly. That is NOT funny but insightful. Almost all of these services are in beta. What the hell are you doing using Gmail for your corporate services?

  11. Re:That's the trade-off... by lottameez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, and bringing 4oz of shampoo on an airplane is a threat to aviation security. And not having my own power generator could result in a lot of spoiled food in the fridge. And using city water could be deadly if it's not filtered properly. And not fixing my own car could cause an accident. Shall I go on? Ok. And not growing my own food means that I have to trust McDonald's not to kill me. And taking Tylenol could kill me (it's happened before you know). And ....etc etc etc.

    It's risk. When that happens (not if), somebody will get sued, the problems will get fixed, and we'll move on. The economics of the hosted model are too compelling to cause it to go away.

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