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Neuros Solicits Help From AppleTV Hackers

JoeBorn writes "Highlighting the fact that Neuros officially encourages contributions to its open source device (GPL), it has published an open letter soliciting the help of AppleTV hackers. 'The transition to IPTV creates a golden opportunity to ensure that the gateway to the TV set becomes open to all.' Neuros draws a connection between open source and free media, and attempts to articulate why an open box can extend the freedom of the internet to the TV set."

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  1. is this better than an XBMC? by QX-Mat · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been debating for a while now whether i want to get an XBox 1 to stream videos etc off the lan at home. At it stands, neither cd changers, dvd changers or "media pcs" have really made me happier or content easier to access. We have far too many controls at home, far too many user interfaces, and stupidly crippled hardware (we've got a sony dvd/harddisc-based recorder that doesn't interface with any kind of tv catalogue - useless!)...

    I've seen a modded xbox happily navigate windows' shares, ftps, even RSS feeds, and even download videos from the net on the fly. I've seen them transparently mount .isos, decompress rars and zip files. Amazing stuff. No software players I've seen yet can do this.

    Here's the crux tho: the Neuros OSD is ~ $200... I can get an xbox for £50 (~notalot) with games and a controller, then softmod it to my specs in a few hours. I know what the xbox does, ive seen it do it.

    If the neuros had a 1gig ethernet port (im not sure it does?), i'd almost certainly invest simply to use it as a NAS (there's a mod for this on the OSD website) as I have 3 x 300Gb USB2 hdds lying around needing a gige link to justify disconnecting them from the PC.

    I've seen other gige NASes around too, but they cost far too much. The xbox 1, of course, doesnt sport gige (does it?!). I suppose I could hard mod the xbox usb and plug in a usb gige adaptor, but does the xbox support usb2??

    Nonetheless,

    I personally think its fantastic seeing a product that wants to utilise OSS this way! I've long wondered why the proprietary vendors try to cut out modding if they're pricing their product to make money through sales (think wifi boxen etc - not xboxes, their business model needs you to buy games). Its weird when their product lines and life expectations usually fall far short of incorporating any "user inspired" features. I've yet to see "successive" versions of products actually take features from the unsupported mod market and sell in a new product. Clearly they're just trying to thawt innovation at home, because there's a very thin line between breading up a small SoC and selling it!

    Matt

    1. Re:is this better than an XBMC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      xbox is only usb1 iirc, and 100mb ethernet not gig, but that said it works very very well. xmbc is updated regularly. i`ve got an lg drive + drivemod for fast disc reading (xbox drive can be shit for seeking on dvds) and chucked in a 120gig drive. if you don`t mind rehousing the xbox or can modify the case you can quite easily add extra IDE drives. it handles everything i throw at it - but it will have problems on high def rips. playing files through usb/controller port cable (the ports are standard usb, so i used an old controller cable and an old usb printer cable with some older stickers to connect them) from ide hdd on usb adapter works fine. i tend to copy them to the xbox hdd through the usb or ftp them first...

      get a mediacentre type keyboard for browsing youtube etc. on it, super lush.

      xbmc has saved me lots of money, given me lots of entertainment and is just there. with MCE2006 skin the whole family love it. not one product i can find will match what this does for us, and for £25 from local paper ('bout the cost of a cheapo dvd player)

  2. Why? by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 3, Informative
    Quoth their own letter on their set top box:

    The embedded components that are typically needed are quite often not nearly as open as many of the components in PCs.


    The AppleTV -is- a PC, it's got a 1.0GHz Pentium M-based based x86 processor, a GeForce Go 7300 GPU, a 40GB HDD, 256MB of RAM, USB, 100B-T Ethernet and 802.11b/g/n WiFi, with HDMI and component outputs...

    Why should anyone interested in developing open solutions for set top boxes limit themselves to the OSD's closed embedded-style hardware, when Apple has provided a full PC that you can run whatever you want on (Mac OSX, linux, MythTV, etc...) in a nice neat package for almost the same price ($229 vs $299)? Especially when the AppleTV is sufficiently powerful to do HDTV divx/xvid decoding in software, whereas the Neuros OSD needs to use it's closed DSP core to handle even SDTV.
    --
    "The worst tyrannies were the ones where a governance required its own logic on every embedded node." - Vernor Vinge
    1. Re:Why? by molarmass192 · · Score: 3, Informative

      How about because ATV has a much smaller form factor than any other PC based solution, is dead silent (completely fanless), has TV out built in, and has wireless built in for $300? The only downside I've found, 1 USB port so you need a USB expander, and a minuscule 40G HD that pretty much has to be replaced. To me, this is the ultimate hack friendly media center for the price and form.

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      Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
  3. Re:if neuros had dvi, appletv would not be needed by _LORAX_ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Neuros also doesn't have/support..

    AVC because of it's underpowered CPU/GPU
    HDTV output, hell the thing can't even do s-video out
    Storage of media locally
    Interaction with iTunes

    and so much more

  4. Downside of OSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I really have a distrust of OSS projects in general, especially high profile ones. They always seem to turn out like Netscape, which throws the source out there and may as well say "our programmers suck, please fix our buggy product for us". And when someone is throwing out an open letter to "the community"... that's essentially what is written in any kind of open letter.

    FOSS has it's place, but when zealots view it as some kind of realistic alternative to real products, it ends up being quite laughable. For example, Linux hasn't ever been ready for the desktop, and it probably never will. They are still chasing Windows 95's tail lights, and here MS went and released six operating systems since then.

    Don't get me wrong, it's admirable that people are continuting to improve a free operating system, and some people have done impressive things. It's just that some people (most of whom are unable to program, and thus unable to contribute to improving Linux) turn into rabid anti-MS zealots, and delude themselves into thinking somehow this class project is going to turn into something world changing which will bring about some kind of utopian future, like Bill & Ted's music.

    Not gonna happen. Get with the program, live in the real world: MS has thousands of advantages when it comes to making a business case for them, and tit for tat you can make comparisons to applications fulfilling a specialized need, MS has gone and put all of that in a single product, and made sure it all works. Free software isn't free, especially when you have hundreds or thousands of computers to support. Every piece of software you add brings with it a potential problem, so the secret of intelligent network management is to install as few pieces of software as possible... and Windows truly does let you do more with less.