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Cryptome to be Terminated by Verio/NTT

George Maschke writes "Cryptome, a website concerned with encryption, privacy, and government secrecy, has received two weeks' notice from Verio that its service will be terminated for unspecified "violation of [its] Acceptable Use Policy." Cryptome has a history of making publicly available documents and information that governments would rather keep secret. For the notice, and a public response by Cryptome webmaster John Young, see Cryptome Shutdown by Verio/NTT."

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  1. Re:Already down - thanks slashdot by eneville · · Score: 5, Informative

    No need to wait for two weeks to shut down a site. Just submit it to slashdot
    and get it shut down in minutes. mirrored: http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/e231a81023b07bf39 9b68b2c295e9736/index.html http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/deb36db488f175511 ebd77b98603b50f/index.html
  2. text of the page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    can be found here...

    I would have posted it, but it tripped the lameness filter...

  3. Re:any good soul? by rs79 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why bother?

    I was able to read all of the pages peviously withdrawn with the exception of one (the Irish injunction) in minutes without going to cryptome. The rest of the site can also be found in the usual places.

    If people are dumb to know about things like this I suspect we sholdn't go out of our way to tell them.

    Here's an excerpt from a document withdrawn in 2001:


    UNDERSTANDING AND HELPING INDIVIDUALS WITH HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEMS

    Copyright 1995

    LDS Social Services

    USE OF THE DOCUMENT

    This training document has been prepared for the exclusive use of LDS Social Services to assist staff, interns, and contract providers in their work with individuals having homosexual problems. Because the document is approved only for "in house" use, it should not be reproduced nor distributed to others outside of LDS Social Services.

    UNDERSTANDING AND HELPING INDIVIDUALS WITH HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEMS

    HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE

    For more than 100 years homosexuality has been a topic of scientific and psychotherapy inquiry and debate. Freud and his contemporaries viewed homosexuality as a deviation or "inversion" of natural psychosexual development, the causes of which being as varied and numerous as the theorists espousing them. According to Freud, the deviation resulted primarily from a distorted parent-child relationship which led the child to reject his or her own gender role and identify with the opposite~sexed parent. This view received considerable empirical support later in this century through studies by Irving Bieber and a number of other researchers (Siegelmm, 1987).


    But! These things hang by a thread. I would posit that people who want them archived should post them to usenet. A lot. In a world where news postings are routinely made into "google ad blogs" there'll be lots of copies on many servers around the world.

    Some people think you can delete things off the Internet. They are fools.

    (Note the invalid copyright notice on the above document. You have to say who it's copyrighted by, not just a date. Of course as an excerpt here for academic purposes it's covered by fair use under US copyright law).

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  4. mirrors by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    cryptome has several mirrors. Here is one:
    http://cryptome.quintessenz.org/mirror/cryptome-sh ut.htm

  5. wrong. by sethawoolley · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Berne Conventions eliminated the need to even post a copyright notice. Copyright automatically falls into the hands of the "creator" the moment it is created.

    if you want to go after somebody with a DMCA notice on something with no notice and no registration, you can easily register the copyright years later, then go after them.

  6. Re:Already down - thanks slashdot by johnyoung · · Score: 5, Informative

    Right, Cryptome happily chokes on slashdot, but not to worry, mirrors are available as noted below.

    Cryptome and its affiliated sites will continue with another ISP, in the US or elsewhere. Or if necessary, underground, or via means not easily shuttered, or by way of whatever is invented for opposing technologies of information control (credit to Steven Wright, author of The Technologies of Political Control: http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm).

  7. Re:Yet, VERIO.NET are happy to host spammers by Kijori · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course, it's VERIO's network, they're free to have whomever they like as customers. I just find it dubious that they're TOS'ing Young for abuse or violations of their AUP when they simultaneously decide to host spamming scum:

    http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=ver io.net I think they might be, actually - in several of the emails in the linked conversation between Verio and Cryptome, it warns them that people repeatedly receiving DMCA notices are in violation of the AUP. Doesn't sound like it matters whether the notices are fair or unfounded.
  8. well with that kind of use policy.. no wonder by fuckeverything · · Score: 4, Informative

    from their acceptable use thingy: "Other Activities -- Engaging in activities, whether lawful or unlawful, that Verio determines to be harmful to its subscribers, operations, reputation, goodwill, or customer relations." so they pretty much tell you straight away, that they pull your site once they dont like what you are hosting anymore.

  9. Re:No, that only applies in a democratic country by visualight · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Bush" is the reason why shit like this is happening here and now. It's entirely reasonable to blame him for an abusive law enforcement agency. Of course you could then blame "us" for letting him into office.

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  10. Move to NearlyFreeSpeech.net by Deagol · · Score: 2, Informative
    I recently signed up with them. Aside from their quirky/cool pricing scheme, the site's strong stance against censorship and privacy sold me on it instantly. All sites that get the ISP boot for unpopular (but not illegal in the US) should check out nearlyfreespeech.net.

    My only relation is a happy, new customer. It may not be the best fit for Cryptome, but there are at least hosting providers that do give a shit about not bowing down to the status quo.

  11. Re:any good soul? by rs79 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Corporations and governments have been trying to get the internet "under control" for maybe 10 years now,"

    Haha. Longer than that. There was a CIA study in the 1970s about this that concluded as long as there are modems and phone lines nothing about the network can be controlled. But who reads those things anyway?

    I understand very well the implications of the US adopting the Berne convention rules on copyright on Jan 1 1990, I was just pointing out that a badly formed copyright notice looks foolish. With a valid copyright notice you could sue for punative/statutory damages but they flubbed it here. How gay.

    Implicit right to copy is the reason usenet software can make thousands of copies of your work. You're asking it to make copies of your posting.

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  12. Re:Oer the land of the unfree and the home of weas by coaxial · · Score: 2, Informative

    The whole use of National Security letters strikes me as if Gonzales was reading The Trial, and said, "Now there's an idea!"