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Winner of NASA Glove Contest Named

eZtaR writes "The winner of NASA's $200k spacesuit glove contest has been found. He's an unemployed aerospace engineer, named Peter Homer, and claims to have bought most of the materials in local shops and on eBay."

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  1. Internal Nasa flamewar by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    The baseline Phase VI glove needs replacing.
    This guy should have called his the emacs glove, it would have 7 hands a kitchen sink and be able to host multiple lifeforms.

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    1. Re:Internal Nasa flamewar by JavaRob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny you should mention "kitchen sink". There's a bit of additional detail (and a photo of the glove!) on engadget. It mentions that he used off-the-shelf kitchen cleaning gloves as the base.

      And come to think of it, the average kitchen gloves *do* host multiple lifeforms.

    2. Re:Internal Nasa flamewar by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

      Yes, and every time you wanted to point with your index finger you would have to re-read the manual to find that ever so obscure escape sequence !

    3. Re:Internal Nasa flamewar by JavaRob · · Score: 1
      Sorry to self-reply, but I wanted to point out that the glove in the Discovery article photo is NOT the glove Peter Homer made -- it's the old NASA glove. That's why I was searching for a photo of the new glove.

      Caption:

      Astronaut David A. Wolf practices techniques to eliminate or trim protruding gap fillers July 31, 2005 at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas.
    4. Re:Internal Nasa flamewar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that's not half as bad as trying to find undocumented escape sequences when you want to give someone the finger.

    5. Re:Internal Nasa flamewar by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      The image links to a SPACE.com article with more images and info.

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    6. Re:Internal Nasa flamewar by Wordplay · · Score: 1

      On the plus side, it would have special attachments so you could hold down five bucky-bits at once and still hit your command key.

  2. Does any one else ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... share my concerns about anyone named Homer being involved in the space program?

    In all seriousness, I'm sure he'll end up with a good job out of this, which should be worth more to him and his family in the long run then the $200k prize.

    1. Re:Does any one else ... by Clazzy · · Score: 4, Funny

      There seems to be no mention of an inanimate carbon rod here, though.

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    2. Re:Does any one else ... by Cadallin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why? When there are so many out of work engineers in your field that you can just hold a contest, what's the point in hiring somebody?

    3. Re:Does any one else ... by khallow · · Score: 1

      You can't just slap that glove as is on a suit. Apparently, there were some novel design features, but those features now need to be incorporated into the suits.

    4. Re:Does any one else ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Homer Hickam.

      You shouldn't make fun of things that people don't choose.

    5. Re:Does any one else ... by Assassin+bug · · Score: 1

      Not really. Homer has extra-terrestrial experience.

    6. Re:Does any one else ... by Cadallin · · Score: 1

      Ok, So you hold another contest for somebody to do that. Saying "I'll give $X0,000 to anybody that solve this difficult and expensive problem" is a heck of a lot cheaper than having to pay one, or multiple employees. Welcome to the future, where your job can be replaced by a cash prize contest posted on the internet.

    7. Re:Does any one else ... by cbacba · · Score: 1

      Actually, that seems to be the beginnings of being done for particular projects. Offer a contest prize not worth the cost of hiring something done, then give the "prestigeous" award to the winner and claim the work product done along with that of the runners up. Heck, the odds are all of the efforts are better than one would have with a hired hand as well as cheaper.

      As for NASA and the bureaucrats, outdoing them usually isn't that big a deal. Fortunately for the space pen (pump up ball point) it made for a nice $20 (?) souvenir at the JSC in Clear Lake TX. Flight crews decided the Bic (???) Flair - felt tip pen worked better in 0 g and was even easier to read than ball point pen due to its bolder ink lines. At the time, I think it was something like 29 cents or 79 cents each - a bit more than the 19 cent bic ballpoint.

    8. Re:Does any one else ... by khallow · · Score: 1

      Someone will beat you to market unless you're the only (as in the case of NASA) doing it. OTOH, if your job can be replaced by a prize, then it probably ought to. There's a lot of appeal to these sorts of things from the employee angle too. After all, you don't have to work on it, if you're so inclined.

  3. But will NASA's new spacecraft.... by tinrobot · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...even have a glovebox?

    1. Re:But will NASA's new spacecraft.... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 1

      Even if it will, the can of liquid Schwarz will probably be missing.

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  4. This might be bad... by gcnaddict · · Score: 3, Funny

    NASA might start overbidding on eBay for weird crap...

    Think they'll buy my old pokemon cards?

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    1. Re:This might be bad... by cyclone96 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      NASA actually does buy some parts on eBay (although I wouldn't say it's a lot of them). When systems get old, you have a choice between paying to design a replacement board with modern components for a legacy system or digging up older parts. Often times the older parts are going to be the cheaper solution, and the advent of eBay has made them a lot easier to find.

      The NY Times had an article on this a few years ago: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0 CE2DF1739F931A25756C0A9649C8B63

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  5. Spacewalk is hard on the... hands? by sczimme · · Score: 5, Informative


    Spacewalks are hard on astronauts' hands

    I know there is more to the sentence, but this clause made me chuckle. "Heh - they're doing it wrong."

    I need more coffee...

    PS Here is the link to the printer-friendly version, i.e. the article on one page.

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    1. Re:Spacewalk is hard on the... hands? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      You should read the ALSJ. Astronauts who walked on the moon absolutely wrecked their fingers, mainly because the gloves had to be short and tight for better sensitivity which meant pressing their fingers hard into the end of the glove while doing heavy work.

      The other factor is the difficulty of working against gas pressure to perform simple tasks like holding a tool.

  6. I gotta call this guy by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    ever since I won that old space suit writing soap slogans, I have had a tough time getting it back into good shape. i bet he could give me some good pointers.

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    1. Re:I gotta call this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not bloody likely. The things Kip put in his suit were truly useful - i.e., no longer available to the public. I'm sure most of those drugs are prescription-only now even if they weren't then (I'm pretty sure he mentioned codeine and ephedrine [as a stimulant], both unavailable OTC), and unless you've got a small-town pharmacist who likes you from years of tending his soda fountain, you're screwed. You'd probably get on a few watchlists buying pressurized oxygen too, no matter how legitimate your purpose. Also, all those things he bought to seal and pressurize the suit? RIPE FOR BUILDING BOMBS.

    2. Re:I gotta call this guy by TehBlahhh · · Score: 1

      0x4583AFE6 0xDD452E98 0xAC381B47 Here, have some of mine, I'm not using them anymore.

    3. Re:I gotta call this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RH HSWT Read that back in 1974!!

    4. Re:I gotta call this guy by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      so you think my plan to build a nuclear powered rocket and go to the moon with some friends might run into regulatory problems as well?

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    5. Re:I gotta call this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should be all right, because the government can't stop you. If you keep the construction hidden, there's no way they'd be able to do anything about it - what are they gonna do, stick an ECHELON satellite in your path?

    6. Re:I gotta call this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrrgh! I can't remember!

      Rocketship Galileo?

      Wait, I think I have it (thanks, /. preview)-

      "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel"

      That was a long time ago.

    7. Re:I gotta call this guy by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      ever since I won that old space suit writing soap slogans, I have had a tough time getting it back into good shape. i bet he could give me some good pointers.

      Keep listening on that two way radio. Interesting that Heinleins personal life suppport system was almost exactly the same as the backup system on the Apollo suit. At one point the protagonist dismisses the idea of suits with the ability to absorb CO2 as being too advanced, but that is what actually flew, and the apollo suits had almost twice the time spent in vacuum as Clifford Russell's suit.

  7. OMG its from ebay!! by Timesprout · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Do not hold a laser pistol in this glove!

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  8. Upon viewing by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

    NASA astronauts were overheard to have said, "It's so bad!"

    1. Re:Upon viewing by noidentity · · Score: 1

      I'm just disappointed that my submission didn't win.

  9. I thnik the contests need to be by Shivetya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    more widely advertised as well as celebrated when a winner is selected.

    We need to recognize that individual accomplishment is still something to crow about. When schools turn to removing achievment rewards for fear of offending those who don't achieve to removing grades for the same reason we teach kids the wrong lesson. The winner of this competition was not only trying to help NASA but provide his child a valuable lesson. This is the type of stuff that needs to taught to kids in school today. Show them that one person can do what many cannot do, then explain to them the need for both individual and groups for accomplishing goals.

    Many great advancements are the work of a single person, someone who thinks "outside the box". We have to remember that the village is made up of individuals and they are as important as the village.

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    1. Re:I thnik the contests need to be by sheriff_cahill · · Score: 1

      While individual accomplishments are important, I don't think schools remove achievement rewards with the sole reason of avoiding offense. In many cases, rewards undermine motivation. On the other hand, I agree that removing grades can be a bad move. Positive feedback, when done right (giving relevant information to the student about their work), has the potential to improve motivation. So does co-operative learning. A quick search on google scholar search turned up this... http://content2.apa.org/journals/bul/125/6/627

    2. Re:I thnik the contests need to be by DarkSarin · · Score: 1

      Not this again. Let me give you the rebuttal in short:

      There are good reasons to think that Deci & Ryan have an axe to grind and that the research that they use is somewhat flawed. Gary Latham (now President-Elect of SIOP, and HIGHLY respected psyhochologist) writes about it in his 2007 book "Work Motivation". Essentially (and I am heavily condensing here), there are good reasons to believe that rewarding people does not undermine motivation the way Deci argues. One of the reasons is that this conclusion is based on the idea that removing a reward results in a reduction of the desired behavior, but the removal of the reward is not a neutral event, which undermines Deci's Self-Determination Theory. In short (and I know the area reasonably well), this is hardly an area that is settled. Deci makes some bold claims, Cameron & Pierce disagree, as do lots of other well-respected psychologists.

      Tell me the difference between 'positive feedback' and 'rewards', and we can discuss this more.

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    3. Re:I thnik the contests need to be by Original+Replica · · Score: 1
      "When schools turn to removing achievment rewards for fear of offending those who don't achieve to removing grades for the same reason we teach kids the wrong lesson."

      To quote "The Simpsons":

      Lisa: But my parents are counting on seeing me dance! And I've worked ever so hard.
      Vicki: I'm sorry, Lisa, but giving everyone an equal part when they're clearly not equal is called what, again, class?
      Class: Communism!
      Vicki: That's right. And I didn't tap all those Morse-code messages to the Allies till my shoes filled with blood to just roll out the welcome mat for the Reds.
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    4. Re:I thnik the contests need to be by laughing_badger · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Agreed. But how on earth can we conspire to get kids interested in techie stuff when the media tends to drag it down at every chance?

      Here in the UK, the Royal Society of Chemistry ran a maths challenge to highlight the fact that Chinese teenagers were required to solve a university entrance paper containing harder questions than those used to bring the maths skills of first-year British undergraduates up to scratch. I won the competition, and tried to get the message across to the press that we needed to improve our teaching and require more of university entrants, otherwise we would lose our position as one of the leaders in science and engineering. The press reported it as either 'British man beats the Chinese' or 'RSoC says British crap at maths - Shoreham man proves them wrong'.

      I get the feeling that people in general take a pride in not caring about science/maths because they found it hard at school and want nothing more to do with it. If anyone wants me, I'll be crying into my beer on my blog and learning how to chip flint arrowheads for when society implodes back to the stone age.

      Ok, one ray of hope: the BBC education report wasn't too bad.

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    5. Re:I thnik the contests need to be by addie+macgruer · · Score: 1

      Fair play to you sir, and those are some lucid and intelligent points you made. A shame they weren't more widely reported.

      Was quite disappointed that none of the reports I saw showed the working for the number questions. I'd have expected no marks and to be failed on the test for just putting down the correct number, but I think there's a sorry disconnect between people who appreciate maths and people who report in the media.

    6. Re:I thnik the contests need to be by laughing_badger · · Score: 1
      I don't honestly know how the RSoC did the marking, nor how many correct answers they obtained.

      For my part, I put together a geometric proof for the first part (I suck at proofs!), and then did the second and third parts using three-dimensional vector maths (dot and cross product). That was mainly because I had a limited amount of time, and after you do enough computer graphics work that kind of maths gets hardwired into your brain. I showed my working though.

      You should indeed get few (if any) marks for the 'right answer' part of the solution. This is one thing that I like about the Open University: they would dock (say) 20% of the marks if you made a mistake (swapped a plus/minus) half way through your working, but you got the rest of the marks if you carried on and propogated the error correctly.

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  10. well, obviously! by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    With parts bought on eBay, he was sure to win hands down!

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    1. Re:well, obviously! by coldcell · · Score: 2, Funny

      He'll be selling them hand over fist!

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    2. Re:well, obviously! by owlnation · · Score: 1

      His eBay feedback reads. Buyer Out Of This World!!!! A+++++

  11. Thread useless without pics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to see the new glove. Anonymous demands photographs / links to the patent.

  12. wait! by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

    Wait untill the next round of tests the Nasa will do; then the gloves really will come off!

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    1. Re:wait! by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they won't be testing in space then.

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  13. D`oh! by rgravina · · Score: 1

    "The winner of NASA's $200k spacesuit glove contest has been found. He's an unemployed aerospace engineer, named Peter Homer..."

    D`oh!
    1. Re:D`oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      D`oh!


      That's so clever! I bet he's never heard it before.

  14. Link With Pictures by FreeRadicalX · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's another article about the glove that actually features pictures of the gloves and contestants.

    1. Re:Link With Pictures by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      That's the wrong link. The correct one is found here. Purchased from e-bay indeed...

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  15. Is this the Homer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..from October Sky?

    And why is he unemployed? Bad boss, matbe?

  16. Radio Shack by queenb**ch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back in the day, you could have bought all this stuff at your local Radio Shack. Now, if you're lucky, they'll actually have an RJ-45 cable. Otherwise, they're a place of pre-packaged largely useless gizmos - radio controlled cars, over priced cell phones, and electronic doorbells. It's been a cold in hell since I've seen a transistor, resistor, servo, circuit board, etc. for sale in one. And this is really sad, because they were the only place around here that stocked that sort of thing. Because of this, it's been ages since I've been to a Radio Shack willingly.

    I think it stifles innovation not to have places like that around. We went in there as kids and bought all kinds of stuff to build all kinds of stuff. I recall at one point we tried to attach a guidance system to our toy rockets. Now, this had immense practical ramifications since our ultimate purpose was to terrify Old Lady Mortinson's giant hound. Yes, I know, this wasn't horribly well thought out, but what I can say - we were nine. She had this huge beast that lounged about on her front porch until it spotted children. This thing's back was nearly as tall as we were. He had, in our opinion, the largest teeth ever seen on a dog, complete with world-class doggy breath and strings of drool. This wouldn't have been so bad except she lived across the street from the school.

    We'd get out of school and have to wait for someone to pick us up. The hound would see all of us gathering and bestir himself. His first act was always to start baying. All this did was drive us to huddle together like a human bait ball. Well, the huge beast would gallop across the street and plow in to us. He'd have a lovely time chasing everyone around, tongue out, and huge paws throwing mud. We'd get in trouble for getting our school clothes dirty and we were convinced that the beast was out to eat one of us.

    Anyway, we starting trying to come up with ways to defeat the beast. Since we knew we'd get in trouble for hurting it, that pretty much ruled out BB guns, pellet guns, and 22's that most of us already had (hey, we were country kids). That meant we had to be more creative. We'd go to the Radio Shack and spend hours pouring through the catalog and the shelves trying to come up with something to chase the beast off. We learned more about design from that ridiculous dog. Now, with no where to go, how are kids supposed to do that? Don't tell me that they can do it on line. It's not the same as holding the part in your hand to see how much it weighs or being able to really get a sense of it's size. These are abstract concepts that come hard to a nine year old kid.

    2 cents,

    Queen B.

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    1. Re:Radio Shack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been a cold in hell since I've seen a transistor, resistor, servo, circuit board, etc. for sale in one.

      I'll agree that Radio Shack is a shell of its former self, but you can still get those items there, they just aren't as visible as they used to be.

    2. Re:Radio Shack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on which one you go to. The one in our mall is horrible,and contains almost nothing. There is another fairly close by though, and that one has some decent stuff in it.

    3. Re:Radio Shack by lordmatthias215 · · Score: 1

      Now, with no where to go, how are kids supposed to do that? They don't. Instead, they use their free time getting hold of guns and shooting out their high schools... That sounds overly morbid, but think about it. If a kid isn't involved in after school activities (and many of them are), what does he have to tinker with in his spare time? Sure he can mess with programming and hacking, but that doesn't get him outside like a model rocket does, and has a poor social stigma attached to it. They still have model rockets, but there's no instilled interest in them anymore- I'm one of the few teenagers I know whose dad showed any interest in helping me build model rockets when i was a little'un. Everyone else was in day care.

    4. Re:Radio Shack by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      There are still Radio Shack stores with good suppliest of chips, components, cabling, boards, chemicals, etc. But they are rare. RS corporate is slowly killing them all. Here in Nashville, *ONE* store out of about 12 in the county is a 'parts store'. Ask the counter-folk at your local 'retail store' RS where the nearest 'parts store' is, you might be pleasantly surprised. Then again, you might not :(

    5. Re:Radio Shack by samkass · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter... NASA will find some way of having this glove cost $365M per glove to manufacture, and utilize subcontractors from the district of every Congressman in any committee that approves their budget.

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    6. Re:Radio Shack by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      I generally have the same opinion of Radio Shack now that you do. However, for some odd reason, the one in the town where I currently am actually has all of the fun stuff along a couple of walls.

      I was amazed. Then again, it was also the only place in this town that I could find a Cold Heat soldering iron.

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    7. Re:Radio Shack by shaitand · · Score: 1

      'Sure he can mess with programming and hacking, but that doesn't get him outside like a model rocket does, and has a poor social stigma attached to it.'

      Not anymore. Being a geek is cool now.

    8. Re:Radio Shack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't agree more. Part of why I'm moving back to Portland is that at least there are still a few parts shops near there worthy of the name. I used to love the ones in Milwaukee. But mostly, these days, I point people to America Science & Surplus, which I love but is no substitute for rows of stuff you can go to in a bricks and mortar store, pick up, and fiddle with before laying down cash.

      If these internet millionaires really wanted to help innovation in America, they would help organize and fund the creation of clusters in every American city like what New York used to have on Canal Street. Rubber tubing in one place, plastic bits and adhesives in a few more, a couple of surplus shops with gears, ornamental castings, and assorted fiddly bits. Then they would give schools funding for field trips there.

      I would guess that if real estate could be provided by the municipality, bus lines or other transit guaranteed to run there, and a few years of gift certificates for shops there given to local schools, one could add craft stores like Michaels to help pay the bills, maybe get American Science & Surplus to open a ministore, and have the place profitable within ten years or fewer.

      Add a bike shop, a place that does welding to order, and a "hobby shop" focused on RC cars and the like, put in a coffee shop or something where folks can sit for a spell while still there. Maybe a video arcade. Ideally do it near a Fry's. It would be a hell of a thing, wouldn't it? And it wouldn't cost much money other than the real estate which could probably be in some really crappy neighborhood as long as the bus service was decent. Hosting robotics competitions and such at a nearby venue would probably up the foot traffic even further. Put in a service bureau that does stereolithography and revenues would go up even further. An auto parts store would probably do a decent business, too.

      Synergy. Ya know, stuff actually making other stuff work better without it costing more.

      But we're Americans. So we don't do that sort of thing anymore.

      Makes me tired, it does.

  17. Frys Electronics by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

    n/t

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    1. Re:Frys Electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there are so many Fry's around.

      I am bumfuck USA and we have 2 Radioshacks in town. There isn't a Fry's in our state, nor any of the surrounding states. Not everyone lives in NY or CA.

  18. You know all those Sci-Fi books you've been readin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a world of glass and steel, inhabited by people with implants and microsofts, and even aerospace engineers can't find a job?

    I guess That future is here, now. Look no further.

    Or is it more the sad state of affairs with our momentarily grounded dreams of space travel?
     

  19. Smell the Glove! by kybred · · Score: 2, Funny

    It smells like victory!

  20. Re:You know all those Sci-Fi books you've been rea by jguthrie · · Score: 5, Interesting
    With most engineering specialties, the demand is pretty steady, but the aerospace business is cyclic with about a 20 year cycle. The bottom of the money spent on aerospace stuff dropped out the bottom in the late 60's/early 70's after a peak in the mid-60's, and the pattern repeated itself in the late 80's/early 90's (when I was trying to find a job with my engineering degree, just out of grad school) and it appears to be holding true now. At least this programming gig turned out to be something I could do in the long term.

    However, one of these days I have a dream of someday actually doing some of the engineering that I spent six years learning about.

  21. Age Discrimination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He has been supporting his family by working in other fields. His son is 14 years old. Do the 'rithemtic and read the 'riting on the wall: he's middle-aged, talented, so he earns more than a new-grad junior engineer. Thus he now is unemployed, despite being demonstrably skilled: he developed the winning solution to a problem he'd never worked on before. Why is he not still an aerospace engineer? The bean counting MBA parasite that "downsized" him is the one who should be collecting unemployment!

    1. Re:Age Discrimination? by cyclone96 · · Score: 1

      Why is he not still an aerospace engineer?

      Is he actually looking for employment in aerospace? From reading the article, it appears he left aerospace engineering after bouncing around to go into computer sales. It doesn't say he was forced out of aerospace or laid off - he's currently unemployed after being forced to resign as the director of a community service organization. More info here.

      I'm quite sure he could find a position if he wanted one (although he's going to need to get out of Maine). I spent five minutes looking and I found this opening doing flight crew equipment for Hamilton Sundstrand, the contractor that manufactures space suits and other crew aids for NASA. Knowing the industry, my guess would be that the position pays between $70,000-$90,000 (in Houston, which is a fairly cheap place to live).

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    2. Re:Age Discrimination? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why is he not still an aerospace engineer? The bean counting MBA parasite that "downsized" him is the one who should be collecting unemployment!

      And of course the massive (and steady) shrinkage of the aerospace industry over the past 10-15 years has nothing to do with it? TFA implies that he hasn't been an aerospace engineer in quite a while - in fact the job he's currently unemployed from is 'director of a community service organization', not 'aerospace engineer'. This cached page from Google suggests he was already out of the aerospace industry by the mid-late 90's. Indeed, it could be interpeted as saying that even though his degree is aerospace engineering - he's only briefly been a practicing aerospace engineer.
       
       

      Do the 'rithemtic and read the 'riting on the wall: he's middle-aged, talented, so he earns more than a new-grad junior engineer.

      Once I take my tinfoil hat and bias blinders off - I find it far more likely that his entire division was downsized, without replacement, a very common story in aerospace across the 1990's.
    3. Re:Age Discrimination? by Cadallin · · Score: 1

      Because the best solution to a problem is expensive. Capitalism doesn't give you "best" it give you cheapest. This guy is experienced and talented, has a family to support, and is therefore expensive. Therefore he is out of work. That fact that one of his units of "work" is worth much, much more than some other schmuck doesn't matter. The same reason generally applies to why American manufacturing is dead. The USA had some of the best and most capable manufacturing industries in the world. That gives you numerous advantages in many areas, but unfortunately doesn't help the bottom line very much. So we let lobbyists convince our government to stop protecting industry, and now our country flips burgers for a living.

    4. Re:Age Discrimination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or... maybe he just doesn't like working for aerospace companies, and the quality of life in Maine is superior.

    5. Re:Age Discrimination? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      Why is he not still an aerospace engineer?

      Because he's living in a place where the opportunities for aerospace engineers are virtually zero. I've been there -- it's beautiful, great place to raise children, wonderful place to live, but tough place to try to work if you're in a high-tech profession. He might be able to get more work down around Portland (IIRC National Semi has a big prototype fab right outside Portland, they might have something for him), but that's not exactly commuting distance.

      Now, it might be that he's just made a choice that doing odd jobs in Southwest Harbor, ME is better than doing aerospace engineering in Florida, Texas, or California, but in any case, he's made a choice.

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  22. Both happy and sad... by SerpentMage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am happy for the guy that won, and am happy that the guy had a never say die attitude. BUT, and here is the big but you have to ask yourself what the heck happened here.

    I think this guy might quite literally be a rocket scientist who ended up selling computers, then a community services manager, and then became unemployed. If America wants to be the forefront of technology, America needs to ask why does a guy have to buy something at EBay to build the next generation of technology?

    Maybe America needs a few more role model "Homers".... instead of some Paris Hilton's who happens to be going to jail for 45 days or ended up shaving their head out of whim!

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    "You can't make a race horse of a pig"
    "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
    1. Re:Both happy and sad... by evanbd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Buying things on eBay isn't bad... it's the sign of a good engineer who's being budget-minded. I work at a small aerospace company, and we routinely buy things on eBay. Usually things like valves, fittings, battery chargers and the like for general stock around the shop, but also flowmeters, high pressure compressors, dewars, etc etc. It's much cheaper to buy a flowmeter on eBay and send it out for a calibration than it is to buy it new, and the same is true for many other tools and instruments. I would fully expect significant parts in any of these sorts of contest winners to come from eBay or other used / surplus sources.

    2. Re:Both happy and sad... by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      Ok, maybe I should not have thrown in the comment from EBay. I was trying to point out that here we have a guy who is probably a rocket scientist building the next great invention from parts on EBay. It is great how innovative he was, but at the same time it is sad how he had to go to these means to show how great American inventors can be.

      It seems to me that the American inventors are not appreciated, whereas Paris Hilton her jail term is appreciated. Sad...

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      "You can't make a race horse of a pig"
      "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
  23. Re:You know all those Sci-Fi books you've been rea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, you're probably in the same boat as me - if you wanted to go back to engineering after 6+ years of programming, you'd need a thorough refresher/catchup course. Modern mechanical engineering (lots of simulations) uses some fluids simulation techniques that were speculative research papers when I was an undergrad. :-(

  24. MIGHT AS WELL FACE IT: YOU'RE A DICK IN A GLOVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You'd like to think that you're immune to the stuff,
    Oh Yeah!

    It's closer to the truth to say you can't get enough.
    You know you're gonna have to face it, you're a DICK IN A GLOVE.

  25. You got it wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> When schools turn to removing achievment rewards for fear of offending those who don't achieve to removing grades for the same reason we teach kids the wrong lesson.

    That's not the idea in my view.

    The idea is:

    a) like another reply points out, rewards are demotivating (kids get the wrong idea that success is achieving high marks);

    b) rewards done wrong can be damaging; rewarding done good is excellent.

    I had this problem in view when I chose a school that does not rate students for my daughter; those who get 80%+ scores get honoured, but there's no first or second-place prizes. This does not prevent the existence of other competitions, done just for fun.

    My point is getting high grades is not compatible with learning; one must be very careful when merging these two very different things. I know about this firsthand: I dropped from one school with fierce competition for promotion and yet achieved a 5-year span student prize for academic achievement in another school (I don't mean to boast, it's just to make a point).

    Come to think, the entire money == success may have its roots there.

  26. Next Up..... by Chineseyes · · Score: 0, Troll

    The winner of NASA's diaper contest, word is that the winner was able to make it from Texas to Florida non-stop on one diaper, even through multiple HEAVY uses. Stocks of Luvs parent company Procter & Gamble(PG) fell on the news that Huggies parent company Kimberly-Clark(KMC) had purchased the rights to the technology for an undisclosed amount.

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    I think the invisible hand of the market has its middle finger extended

    --A wise old fart named SC0RN
  27. Simple Truth by N8F8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You make your own luck. This is the exact reason why social support systems fail. Without a real challenge you seldom have the motivation to innovate or take risks. This guy had to fall to the bottom rung to finally wake up. I see far to many kids graduating from college thinking the hard work is done. At that point ,at most, they have bought a ticket to a tougher game.

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    "God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
    1. Re:Simple Truth by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      Yes social systems have their failings. BUT and this is a big but there also has to be incentive. What is the incentive to invent? Anybody who invents and tries to patent will get their butts sued by lawyers. It seems to me that the purpose of the invention was to benefit the small guy who could not afford lawyers. Yet now the system has been turned on its head and benefits the developer with the most lawyers. This is simply not right!

      --

      "You can't make a race horse of a pig"
      "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
  28. That's not funny. by twitter · · Score: 1

    ... my concerns about anyone named Homer being involved in the space program?

    How can you be so crass and shallow? This is a heartbreaking story.

    My concern is how this award winning design engineer with 10 years of experience is unemployed. It is obvious that he did better than the industry and teams of competitors. There is something very wrong with the US aerospace industry.

    This is bad for everyone. It's especially bad for those in the profession. They face the frustration of not getting things done and an uncertain future, regardless of merit or how hard they work. It's bad for the US that piles of money thrown without results at the federal government, contractors like Lockheed Martin and Boeing, and NASA. It's bad for the world that the one remaining superpower is using it's resources to secure oil instead of the boundless riches of the solar system and galaxy. The goal and it's practitioners deserve more respect.

    The good news is that the contest worked and the industry may reform into a more efficient and rewarding place. $200,000 is a fine prize that may make up for the years Peter Homer has not been able to practice his profession. It's not enough to form a proper company but others with talent will be encouraged. Hopefully, they will be rewarded better than having their name laughed at.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  29. Heh by Z0mb1eman · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's an unemployed aerospace engineer

    Is there any other kind?

    *ducks*

    (I get to say that, a good friend of mine is an unemployed aerospace engineer :p)

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  30. What is funny, according to you? by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

    So a throwaway 'Homer' reference isn't funny, but blatant racism is?

    What a sense of humour you have.

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    "It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
    1. Re:What is funny, according to you? by twitter · · Score: 1

      So a throwaway 'Homer' reference isn't funny, but blatant racism is?

      Hmmm, I would not go so far as to call people who work for M$ a "race" so I don't know what you are talking about. M$ people are strange, but in theory they can still produce viable offspring when mated with other human beings.

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      Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    2. Re:What is funny, according to you? by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course, using terms like "Ali Baba", "jihad" and "terrorism" all in one neat little package isn't racist at all.

      You actually have no clue at all, do you?

      --
      "It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
    3. Re:What is funny, according to you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot believe what goes through the mind of someone who posts something like that link. I hope to God you are all alone. I wouldn't wish you on any human being.

  31. Re:You know all those Sci-Fi books you've been rea by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
    Aerospace is more cyclic than twenty years. 20 years represent the BIG projects, such as the F-22. Which is currently winding down. Pretty funny that a "brand new" fighter is almost 20 years old.

    Getting off the subject, most projects last from 6 months to 5 years max, upgrades, add-ons and such. Very few companies can afford to hold on too all their employes full time so it turns into contract work. Yes they always seem unemployed, but they get picked right back up as soon as the next contract start, typically with no more that a few month gape. I bet he tinkered with the glove idea for fun and then get really involved and decided to simply finish it rather than go back to another full time slot on the next contract.

  32. Yeah, flunking out of grad school in 1990 by georgeha · · Score: 1

    with a BS in Aersp was pretty disappointing. At least I could put my computer skills to use.

  33. Homer Hickam, art hard by flawedconceptions · · Score: 1

    Homer Hickam, aerospace engineer at NASA from '81 to '98. You might remember him as the protagonist in the film "October Sky".

  34. Mod Parent Up by RipTides9x · · Score: 1

    for updated space.com link with more images and info