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Own Your Own 128-Bit Integer

Byte Swapper writes "After all the fuss over the AACS trying to censor a certain 128-bit number that now has something over two million hits on Google, the folks at Freedom to Tinker would like to point out that you too can own your own integer. They've set up a script that will generate a random number, encrypt a copyrighted haiku with it, and then deed the number back to you. You won't get a copyright on the number or the haiku, but your number has become an illegal circumvention device under the DMCA, such that anyone subject to US law caught distributing it can be punished under the DMCA's anti-trafficking section, for which the DMCA's Safe Harbor provisions do not apply. So F9090211749D5BE341D8C5565663C088 is truly mine now, and you can pry it out of my cold, dead fingers!"

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  1. Re:5D 09 7F B4 60 B8 FB BD D0 2B 6A A3 F2 F6 AB CA by Blue+Stone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I thought it'd be pretty neat to encrypt something using the text of a DMCA takedown notice as a key.

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  2. I am not a number! by SirBruce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am a free man!

    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered.

    My life is my own.

  3. Which integer? by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the basic properties of copyright is that if you enclose it in quotes and attribute the source, like "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0", then there's no problem. This quoted integer is the public key for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players.

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  4. Re:5D 09 7F B4 60 B8 FB BD D0 2B 6A A3 F2 F6 AB CA by bakaorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I got one of these yesterday, but really, who has time to remember such long numbers. However, I know that it had a "D2" in it, so I figure anytime I see a number which contains this unique fingerprint, I'll assume it is my number. Fortunately, no-one has violated my rights by posting a number with "D2" in it as a comment to this article yet. You all are warned!

  5. Well, it is a dead end by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Practically every cryptographer will agree that as soon as your secret key is known, it is too late for damage control. The only thing you can do is change the key. Trying to suppress it is entirely futile and a singn of significant stupidity.

    At the same time, you cannot protect numbers. They do not belong to anybody.

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  6. Re:5D 09 7F B4 60 B8 FB BD D0 2B 6A A3 F2 F6 AB CA by eWarz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually parent was funny, but he brought up an interesting point. How far can things go when a simple number can be made illegal under the DMCA? If i use a sequence of numbers for encryption and then those numbers show up on the lottery, is the lottery liable for a DMCA violation? Maybe someone should intentionally 'abuse' this system to force the DMCA to be corrected.

  7. What is a criminal? by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lots of laws need to be broken. Bad laws disobeyed get them changed. How do you feel about the 'criminal' blacks that rode in the front of the bus in Mongomery Alabama in the 60's. Clearly criminal, but was it wrong?

    DRM is not about copyright infringement, it is about criminalizing not letting some one control how you use what you actually buy and pay for.

    I am sick of hearing that not paying some media giant every time you hear some song, or watch some movie is piracy. I do not think it is, and I do not think there is naything wrong with sharing it for free.

    What I think copyright piracy is, it to make counterfeit CD's DVD's etc and selling them for money.

    I see nothing at all wrong with sharing software, movies, songs, books, etc as long as you are not representing them to be original or charging for them.

    Is this the way the laws are today? , nope, cause we have corrupt politicos doing the bidding of the big media companies that finance their campaigns.

    So if my conscience tells me some law is wrong, unfair, or unjust, oh well.

    Bad laws need to be broken often enough to make them change.

    Looks at the 09 f9 thing, people have just had enough silliness with this.

    Cheers

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  8. Re:Why stop there by malsdavis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The DMCA never states that it is illegal to distribute any number, it states that it is illegal to distribute a number which has the sole/main/intended/implied/whatever-else purpose of breaking a copyright measure.

    If you had encrypted your haiku with any 128bit number then it would most probably be deemed that someone with a 128bit IP address was using your number by co-incidence. If however your 128-bit haiku encryption number appeared on a "how to decrypt encrypted haikus" website, then you would have a case however.

  9. Re:Typical of liberals... by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being a criminal means infringing on someone's rights.


    No, it means breaking a criminal law.

    Rights are defined as to determine how scarce resources are to be controlled.


    That's a rather unusual definition of rights. A more typical definition of a right would be "a just claim or title, whether legal, prescriptive, or moral." (the first noun definition.)

    Information is not a scarce resource, by copying music from someone, I am not invading anyone's property, or if you prefer infringing on anyone's right.


    You are violating a legal property right.

    Really, your entire argument seems to be based on inventing unusual definitions of words ("criminal", "right", "property") as if they were the normal, uncontroversial, widely accepted definitions, and then just claiming that your preferred conclusion flows naturally from your definitions. That's rather silly.

  10. Re:5D 09 7F B4 60 B8 FB BD D0 2B 6A A3 F2 F6 AB CA by SatireWolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would tell you what my secret integer is, but then you would know what it is. The secret to my success is the secret of my number. Use it, and PREPARE TO BE SERVED PAPERS SUCKAH! If you determine what my secret integer is, then it isn't a secret is it? So I'm assuming that the DMCA is supposed to give me some sort of super secret enemy of the state powers, whereby if you violate my number, you automatically become a terrorist, and thereby executed under the US patriot act for crimes against the state? By proxy, all those who have now read the secret number of the AACS overlords, are now terrorists and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the patriot act! PREPARE TO DIE TERRORISTS! Oh, well they could also export us all to Saudi Arabia for 'interrogation'. If I never post here again, you can assume I have been captured and forced to reveal my secret number. In the event of my capture, there is a time capsule locked in a.................

  11. Re:5D 09 7F B4 60 B8 FB BD D0 2B 6A A3 F2 F6 AB CA by Zadaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the lottery commission is in violation, then you have trouble since they might well never publish your winning numbers.

    On the other hand I think you'd be able to successfully sue any other winners who shared the jackpot with you for their share since they used the winning lottery numbers without your permission.

    In fact I suspect, under DMCA, you could (legitimately) sue lottery players for winnings even if you didn't play, but merely if you had a previous claim on the numbers.

  12. This doesn't seem to prove much of anything by The+Empiricist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If /.ers were to create 100 million unique 128-bit keys per second, it would take 1.078x10^23 years (about 7.7 trillion times the age of the universe) to exhaust the 128-bit keyspace. This suggests that giving some kind of legal protection over every single key actually generated might not be harmful public policy. Sure, eventually many of those numbers would have ASCII/UNICODE/etc. meanings such as "free speech good" (128 bits in ASCII), but protection for a number as part of a copyright access control technology does not imply that the creator of the number has any rights over those who have re-created the same number by coincidence. The AACS key might exist out there as part of an audio encoding, image, or movie file. But the AACS has not been trying to stamp out the remote possibility of coincidental use of this number. The only use that they have gone after has been use of the number as a key that is part of a copyright access control technology.

    If you don't like laws that protect copyright access control technologies, it is best to develop policy arguments against such laws. Gimicks like creating 128-bit numbers that others can "own" don't prove much of anything.

  13. Re:Typical of liberals... by Arthur+B. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The direct implication of what I've said is that leftism is completely immoral, you are way way off.

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  14. But context IS IMPORTANT!!! by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll be googling 5D 09 7F B4 60 B8 FB BD D0 2B 6A A3 F2 F6 AB CA everyday until I win that lotto jackpot ... and don't think I won't. I'm crazy enough to do it. I swear I am. Really.
    Yeah, funny, and all that. But people here frequently don't get the point.

    It's not the number - it's the context of the number. Yes, I can use this number for my WEP key. I can print it on my T-shirt, print it on toilet paper and wipe my ass with it. I can do whatever you want with this number so long as I don't identify it as the decryption key for YOUR encrypted data.

    Here's another example: A tennis racket. By itself, a tennis racket is made for whacking tennis balls. However, I could whack YOU with the racket, and suddenly its role changes from "sporting equipment" to "deadly weapon". But it's the same piece of equipment, and yes, a tennis racket is a plenty good enough weapon to kill somebody with.

    It's not the racket itself that's deadly, it's the context for how its used or presented. There's a world of difference between "I'm going to whack the ball" and "I'm going to whack your balls"...

    By publishing this number along with phrases like "decryption key for NNN", you've crossed the line from just some random number to establishing the context of the number as somehow important.

    So please, please PLEASE get the point - having and/or publishing a number, any number, isn't illegal. Publishing that this number (instead of the billions/trillions of others like it) is the decryption key for $FOO is what's illegal. // now done with armchair legal advice, resuming programming, IANAL YMMV and all that jazz //
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    1. Re:But context IS IMPORTANT!!! by sabre86 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can do whatever you want with this number so long as I don't identify it as the decryption key for YOUR encrypted data. But what if it's the encryption key for my encrypted data. It's hard to say data "belongs" to anybody to begin with, and if I paid for the DVD on which the data is encrypted I should unquestionably have access to the tools necessary to decrypt it (for fair use backups, for example) regardless of whether I own the data or not. Furthermore, I contend that free speech protections allow me to say "x is the key to the AACS encryption scheme." Even if you don't agree, arguing (for example) that it's analogous to giving out password or personal data is fallacious. The data encrypted by the key is neither, and, as I noted earlier, decryption ability is necessary for fair use.

      Here's another example: A tennis racket. By itself, a tennis racket is made for whacking tennis balls. However, I could whack YOU with the racket, and suddenly its role changes from "sporting equipment" to "deadly weapon". But it's the same piece of equipment, and yes, a tennis racket is a plenty good enough weapon to kill somebody with. Yeah, yeah... but we don't ban the tennis raquet. Nor do we ban you talking about the tennis raquet. Anything, anything at all, can be abused. That doesn't mean we should ban it, or talking about it in a certain context. By your own logic, you've commited a crime... by talking about using a tennis raquet in the context of murder. You've "crossed the line."

      Even so, I'll grant you that such logic might sell in court. That doesn't matter to me, I feel that one's free speech rights should only be limited by what actually harms others... not merely could be used to harm others. Anything can be abused.

      --sabre86
    2. Re:But context IS IMPORTANT!!! by GoofyBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >I can do whatever you want with this number so long as I don't identify it as the decryption key for YOUR encrypted data.

      >However, I could whack YOU with the racket, and suddenly its role changes from "sporting equipment" to "deadly weapon".

      You don't charge mystery writers for murder just because they show in detail how to do so.
      You don't charge news reporters with breaking-and-entering because they communicate to the public how breaking-and-entering was performed.
      You don't censor history books because they outline how to commit acts of genocide.

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    3. Re:But context IS IMPORTANT!!! by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't charge mystery writers for murder just because they show in detail how to do so.
      You don't charge news reporters with breaking-and-entering because they communicate to the public how breaking-and-entering was performed.
      You don't censor history books because they outline how to commit acts of genocide.
      In none of these cases is talking about it a crime. It's also not a crime to talk about releasing the decryption key. But releasing the encryption key IS illegal under current law.

      I'm not arguing that it SHOULD be illegal, only that it is. Don't confuse "legal" with "right". Lots of things are legal that are unethical, and lots of things are ethical but illegal. But let's spend our time discussing reality instead of some contrived misunderstanding, OK?
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    4. Re:But context IS IMPORTANT!!! by kripkenstein · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not the number - it's the context of the number. Yes, I can use this number for my WEP key. I can print it on my T-shirt, print it on toilet paper and wipe my ass with it. I can do whatever you want with this number so long as I don't identify it as the decryption key for YOUR encrypted data.
      Absolutely wrong. Context is not important at all here. According to what you say, I can post the DeCSS code, so long as I don't say what it is? (DeCSS and the AACS key are both treated the same under the DMCA's non-circumvention clauses.)

      Of course I can't. What you say sounds reasonable in theory, but the letter of the law mentions no 'context' requirement.
    5. Re:But context IS IMPORTANT!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Presumably the shape of the key to your front door can be reduced to a number. If all I do is publish that number by itself you're not harmed. But if I publish it and explain how it describes the shape of your house key, are you not harmed?

  15. Re:5D 09 7F B4 60 B8 FB BD D0 2B 6A A3 F2 F6 AB CA by Ernesto+Alvarez · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Shame on you!
    Your logic is flawed.

    1. Rot-13 is an encryption device, assuming your comment is correct.
    2. ROT-13 is a simple substitution cypher. Decryption is defined as subtracting 13 characters, wrapping at A, where ROT13 encryption is defined as adding 13 characters, wrapping at Z.
    3. By extension, any substitution cypher is a DMCA-approved cypher.


    The fact that a member of a class has a certain property (ROT-13 being a DMCA approved encryption device) does not mean that all the members of that class have the same property. I am a member of the animals' group, I can use a computer therefore all animals can use a computer..... I don't think so.

    Nobody said that ROT-14 would be considered an encryption device by the DMCA.

    Your best chance to prove ROT-26 is a DMCA approved encryption method would be to read the legalese and find the definition of "encrpytion" in the text and hope it is not a very good definition. Something like "a function INTENDED to prevent observation by an untrusted party" would be enough, especially if they do not mention keys. In that case, it doesn't have to work successfully to be an "encryption device".

    If that is the case, I propose the identity function as the new DRM standard.

    C0 88 56 63 C5 56 41 D8 5B E3 74 9D 02 11 F9 09 to everyone, and remember, Intel CPUs are little endian!