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Scientists Claim Major Leap in Engine Design

An anonymous reader writes "Purdue researchers say they have made a major advance in the design of the internal combustion engine, one that could seriously boost fuel efficiency and cut emissions. A key portion involves building intake and exhaust valves that are no longer driven by mechanisms connected to the pistons, a departure from the way car engines have worked since they were commercialized more than a century ago. 'The concept, known as variable valve actuation, would enable significant improvements in conventional gasoline and diesel engines used in cars and trucks and for applications such as generators, he said. The technique also enables the introduction of an advanced method called homogeneous charge compression ignition, or HCCI, which would allow the United States to drastically reduce its dependence on foreign oil and the production of harmful exhaust emissions. The homogeneous charge compression ignition technique would make it possible to improve the efficiency of gasoline engines by 15 percent to 20 percent, making them as efficient as diesel engines while nearly eliminating smog-generating nitrogen oxides, Shaver said.'"

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  1. Nah by damacus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All the benefits will be squandered on making bigger, heavier vehicles. At least, that's what's been happening with improvements in efficiency since the 80s. Sigh...

    1. Re:Nah by jo7hs2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your statement is ironic. Most of the people I see driving SUVs are smallish women.

    2. Re:Nah by drooling-dog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Diminutive genitalia aside, we need to examine this whole idea that anybody even cares how big the car is that you're driving. Once we meet certain minimal standards of daily hygiene, behavior, and attire, there's very little we can achieve by buying stuff that really enhances what people think of us all that much (regardless of marketers' attempts to convince us otherwise).

      Every guy who buys a land barge drives it around feeling like the Big Man About Town, but to everyone else on the street he's either invisible or just a dickhead who doesn't give a rat's ass about the environmental cost of what he's doing. Seriously, do you ever see someone driving past in a new Hummer and say to yourself, "Wow, I really admire whoever's driving that beast. I'd like to be his friend!". If he was a slob or an idiot before, he's now a slob or an idiot with an SUV.

      Nobody cares. It took most of my life and a fair amount of wasted money to finally learn that.

    3. Re:Nah by bdjacobson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your statement is ironic. Most of the people I see driving SUVs are smallish women. Because, ecosystem be damned, they want to feel safe and they just couldn't imagine driving their kids around in anything but an Expedition. That way if they cause a wreck they'll kill OTHER families' (that can't afford anything but a small van) kids.
    4. Re:Nah by EugeneK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Every heard of the clitoris? It's the same organ, ontogenously. And it tends to be smaller than the average penis! I'd say you're the one lacking knowledge of female anatomy, buddy.

      (Damn I love wikipedia!)

    5. Re:Nah by srw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And they get me home safely after a blizzard when my roomate with his Festiva was stranded.

      6 people died near here in February.

      Don't tell me what kind of vehicle I don't need.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYs7AP8UPic
      http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/556944959vklPkJ
      http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNew s/20070110/storm_weather_070110/20070110?hub=Canad a (more were found dead later)

    6. Re:Nah by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, SUVs kinda suck for towing too, compared to regular pick-up trucks. You can't tow a gooseneck trailer with a SUV, for instance.

      SUVs are basically very mediocre at everything, because other vehicles best them in every category: fuel economy (any car), passenger capacity (vans and minivans), performance (most cars), handling (any other vehicle), towing (pick-up trucks), cargo carrying (trucks again), etc.

      Most SUV owners would be much better served by having two vehicles instead of trying to have one vehicle that does everything (poorly). Need to carry cargo or tow stuff sometimes? Get a used, cheap pick-up. Need to carry lots of people sometimes? Get a used, cheap minivan. Need 4WD because of bad weather? Get a Suburu.

    7. Re:Nah by dal20402 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I appreciate the severity of the blizzard and am glad you got home safely. But an all-wheel-drive car with good snow tires would have done the same job. If you were caught off-road, you would have had a much better chance with a Wrangler or short-wheelbase pickup. Your experience doesn't change the fact that other vehicles do everything SUVs do much better.

    8. Re:Nah by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think his point is that there are better cars for dealing with weather, cargo transport, people transport, etc. SUVs don't address any of those problems in a particularly good way. Another problem is that people in SUVs tend to think they're safer in storms when pretty much any car has about the same stopping power on ice - none. Yet they drive in more of an unsafe manner because of it.

    9. Re:Nah by RubberDuckie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I need to pull a trailer on occasion. That's not doable, safely, with a Prius. Please don't assume that everyone needs to compensate for something (or lack thereof).

    10. Re:Nah by enjerth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Okay, the truth is, I don't key cars, and not all SUV owners are that fucking irresponsible. The problem is that what *seems* to be the majority -IS- that irresponsible, and I get just a tid bit worked up about it, especially when they merge into my lane without looking AND when said merging is illegal (single white line, jackass! you can merge in 200 feet ffs!) Wait, are you trying to suggest that this kind of reckless driving is somehow limited to people who drive SUV's? Or are you just THAT much more pissed off because they're driving an SUV? Perhaps you're jealous that they have an SUV, so you're taking your frustration with reckless drivers out on them?

      I see that kind of behavior more often from people driving smaller vehicles.
    11. Re:Nah by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You almost get it. SUVs are vehicles that can do many things, but none of them especially well.

      Sure, a pickup can tow better than my Blazer or my Jimmy, but how comfortably can you pack four passengers into an S-10 pickup?

      Sure, any mid-sized sedan can fit four passengers, but not comfortably (three in the back seat sucks) and how much of their stuff can you fit in the back?

      A compact or a hybrid will get much better gas mileage than any SUV but if that's your sole deciding factor, why not get yourself a moped?

      Most SUV owners would be much better served by having two vehicles instead of trying to have one vehicle that does everything (poorly). Need to carry cargo or tow stuff sometimes? Get a used, cheap pick-up. Need to carry lots of people sometimes? Get a used, cheap minivan. Need 4WD because of bad weather? Get a Suburu.

      I can comfortably afford to maintain and pay for one vehicle, not three. How about you?

      LK

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    12. Re:Nah by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Umm, In a blizzard, the majority of people get stuck because the ground clearance of the vehicle is to low to the ground. A high riding SUV will go far more places then any all whell drive car that doesn't sit as hit.

      I have big tires with deep lugs on my pickup truck. I can usually pull all wheel drive cars out and get them unstuck in 2 wheel drive just because of this. The snow when you frame or even ground effect s(spoiler) starts dragging, it acts like a plow and builds up in front of the vehicle while your driving. When it is doing this, it compacts and almost turns into a block of ice. Once this is so big, it wedges under the vehicle and has the same effect as trying to pop a large curb on a slippery surface. If you catch it soon enough and don't dig tire depression into it, OR sit on it letting the warmth of the tires melt one in it, you can usually back out of it and drive around the blockage until it happens again but you have to watch out for other cars in the process.

      While this doesn't happen often, you can look at the ground clearance of your car, the lowest point will hit first and sometimes that is less then 4 or 6 inches on smaller cars. That means as little as 2 inches of snow with drifting can strand you. With an SUV, you usually have twice as much clearance and and more weight driving the tires to solid pavement better when spinning for traction. They can usually last a lot longer. But you can be fooled into a false safety and get stuck there too. I have 14 inches of clearance from the differential points on the axles of my pickup truck. After that, the low spot is 20 inches to the ground. I don't have to worry about that and quite frankly, I'm not driving in 10 or 15 inches of snow. But If you out in the middle of nowhere, sometime you need to drive in 4 or 6 inches of snow just to get somewhere safe.

      An SUV, if it has the ground clearance, can go further then an all wheel drive car, sometimes even in 2 wheel drive.

    13. Re:Nah by stuntpope · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, he's right. Most SUV's are macho-looking, inefficient station wagons that do less than real station wagons do. Their cargo area, when you have passengers in the rear seats, is no better than most cars. My dad's 66 Chevy Bel Air station wagon, and most wagons of that period, could fit more stuff, and longer stuff, in the rear. Where is the utility in the SUV? For hauling many people in comfort, minivans are better-suited, but consumers were taught to think of them as dorky. For hauling big heavy stuff or towing, pickup trucks make sense. The utilitarian vehicle for urban life would be the station (estate) wagon. SUVs are the worst of compromises, not the best of all worlds. Why people choose them for their main everyday vehicle in urban areas is beyond me.

  2. Re:What will they do with this efficiency, though? by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, the scientists think the companies will use this to boost mileage.

    Reminds me of a play we had to read in 1960s grammar school about nuclear war. Big scary Atom Bomb threatens everybody, but he is driven away by Atoms for Peace (the script called for a costume kind of like lady liberty, complete with torch, except white instead of green). You see Science was bringing us limitless power, and that was going to eliminate poverty. Since nobody was poor, nobody had a reason to fight.

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  3. Lipstick on a pig by tinrobot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter how efficient an internal combustion engine gets, it will still emit carbon dioxide. While this technology might help an engine spew less carbon dioxide, it's still a dead end -- kind of like putting lipstick on a pig.

    Put the effort into other forms of energy and we'll be a lot better off a lot more quickly.

    1. Re:Lipstick on a pig by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No matter how efficient an internal combustion engine gets, it will still emit carbon dioxide.

      No matter how much carbon dioxide an internal combustion engine emits, the fuel consumption will still be carbon-neutral if it's running on biofuels.

      Put the effort into other forms of energy and we'll be a lot better off a lot more quickly.

      We have a huge fueling infrastructure that is not simply going to go away overnight, and internal combustion engines will be here (on Earth) for a long, long time to come. Making them more efficient is probably a good idea.

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  4. Re:I RTFA yesterday when I saw it on the Firehose by TempeNerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The also haven't built anything - just modeled it on a computer.
    They may not have solved any of the actual implementation issues, nothing in the article said they had.

    I don't wish to belittle their design ideas - but it is usually very difficult to go from a revolutionary engine design to an operational engine. A good example is the Stirling Engine, great design - difficult to realize.

    I wish them luck - but not going to hold my breath for this one.

  5. Re:So it's glorified Variable Valve Timing, then by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's pretty much standard stuff in science reporting these days:

    1. Scientist develops an improvement in an old but unused technology.

    2. Nobody had ever heard of the old technology, so they can't explain the new stuff until they explain the old stuff.

    3. The press writes about the old stuff, not realizing that it's not news.

    Plus bonus step 4: scientist, trying to ensure that grants continue, points out that eventually there's a major improvement to be made, which the press promptly presents as "imminent".

    You see this all the time on Slashdot, especially in conjunction with solar-cell stuff. There's news there, but it's not what the press is talking about, because the actual news is less interesting.

  6. Re:Killed in "development"? by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    None. Why would GM or Ford kill anything that would give them an advantage over Honda or Toyota?
    Your Tinfoil hat is on too tight again.

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  7. Re:I RTFA yesterday when I saw it on the Firehose by compwizrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For 500 something miles.

  8. Re:I RTFA yesterday when I saw it on the Firehose by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You want an engine that makes peak HP with the lowest RPM level possible for two reasons. 1st, engine wear (think RPM squared). 2nd, fuel efficiency. Even with the best dynamic valve timing, you will achieve maximum burn and emissions the longer the gas has time in the combustion phase. While you can make lots of power in the high RPM band, you'll sacrifice fuel efficiency and emissions. It's always a trade-off which is why we have open and closed loop ECU algorithms in place.

    While I like elegant design of the Coates cam for racing, it's not a practical solution for the mass auto market. Keeping a constant seal with oil is a problem without having it sucked into the combustion chamber. This would lead to carbon fouling. Also, the cam is static, not variable like the proposed system (and the previous V-Tec systems) which poses a major problem for reducing emissions while maintaining a beefy power curve.

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