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Disney - Blu-ray's Fair Weather Friend

An anonymous reader writes "One day they're out, the next day they're in. Back in March, Disney CEO Bob Iger seemed to indicate that his company (which has exclusively backed Blu-ray since the start of the high-def format war) was on the verge of supporting *both* high-def formats. What a difference a couple of months of good press for Blu-ray makes: this week, the CEO reversed his earlier position, saying 'the single greatest thing we can do right now is to not waffle, but to be very, very blunt about it, (and) to continue our support of Blu-ray because we sense a real advantage.'"

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  1. Disney's largest shareholder.... by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Disney's largest shareholder probably gave Iger a bollocking. After all, Apple is on the blue ray Association Board of Directors.

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    1. Re:Disney's largest shareholder.... by Threni · · Score: 5, Informative

      All this stuff is about money, not principles. You shouldn't expect the suits to understand how stuff works (encryption, laser frequency etc) - just about whether or not this will make more money than that. If Disney turns something down, and later a better offer is made, there's no concept of loss of face, just the possibility of reduced profits.

  2. Blu Ray could be improved... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    By requiring the player to phone home before playing the content. This would give customers better products and shareholder more confidence when trading technology and entertainment stocks. One can only hope.

  3. Doesn't mention the little problem of broken DRM by Whuffo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Seems strange that this announcement comes so shortly after an AACS key was spread all over the internet; it seems that HD-DVD's protection is pretty well beyond defending now. It's not totally broken yet, but the writing is on the wall.

    Blu-Ray has additional copy protection in addition to AACS, so any media mogul who is depending on DRM to protect his profits would naturally be waving the Blu-Ray banner at this point.

    Of course, Blu-Ray will have all of its protections defeated too - it's just a matter of time.

  4. Re:Doesn't mention the little problem of broken DR by ClosedSource · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't see how this qualifies as "pushing MS around". The success of the XBox360 and MS isn't really based on whether movie studios support the HDDVD's, but the PS3 and Sony's fortunes are heavily dependent on studios supporting Blu-ray since they are taking a loss on the units to promote it.

  5. Re:I Don't Get It by qbwiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really, they should support the format they think's going to lose. Then, if that format loses before anyone really bothers to come out with dual-format players, they could sell the people who bought a copy in that format a copy in the other format as well.

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  6. Re:HD-DVD's are better for consumers by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

    HD-DVD initially was not going to support anything above 480p through component video which would have forced everyone with a non-HDMI HDTV to "upgrade" to a newer HDTV. They relented "after" Sony came out and said they would not enforce content protection for the first couple of years and allow 1080i through component. Sony said no such thing. The Image Constraint Token (ICT) is an anti-feature of AACS, the copy-prevention system for BOTH HD-DVD and BLU-RAY. It wasn't Sony that said ICT would not be enabled, it was HOLLYWOOD as the MPAA that said they would not set the ICT bit on any AACS releases for either format. It had nothing to do with competition between BLU-RAY and HD-DVD and everything to do with not pissing off the early adopters who are the target market for any HD products.

    There are numerous Blu-ray burners/drives for PCs and macs out right now. Where are the HD-DVD burners for macs? Where are the consumer level HD-DVD burners for PCs? Considering that you can't buy one for much under $500 and the blank media is at least $15 a disc, the question is moot, even for most of the early adopters.

    I'm not into anime or that sick tentacle porn so I could care less about movies from other regions. Are you fucking kidding me? Do you really believe that the rest of the world has no cinema of note beyond anime and hentai?

    Anyone holding such a ridiculous opinion has no business discussing any aspect of cinema, you are just too ignorant to have any insight whatsoever. Which is probably why your claim about the ICT was total bunk too.

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  7. Do you support crap or crap? by iamacat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok, CDs and DVDs were not specifically designed for use in computers or anything besides standalone players. But what is the excuse for products introduced in 21 century? Where is support for building a library on a hard drive of a computer or DVR? Where are the computer drives that can play and record movies for a reasonable price? Where are the on-demand/online services to deliver an equivalent-quality movie over the wire? Both formats should go the way of Sony's minidisc and memory stick ATRAC players as consumers revolt and find other forms of entertainment.

  8. Re:Doesn't mention the little problem of broken DR by iamacat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    since they are taking a loss on the units to promote it

    If they make a loss on an $600 unit which is crippled compared to a PC, it's one of the worst corporate inefficiencies in today's world. For the same price, you can buy a used car, pay a rent for a 2 bedroom apartment in many parts of the country, get a decent desktop from Dell or feed 100 children in India for a month. Don't tell me 100 parents can not assemble one playstation 3 in a month.

  9. Blu-Ray Can Hold More Commercials by joe_n_bloe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With Blu-Ray, Disney can easily put an entire hour of un-skippable high-def commercials, trailers, disclaimers, warnings, notices, and animated logos in front of every movie, even if the next Pirates of the Caribbean is 3 hours long.

    So in their shoes I'd be thinking Blu-Ray too.

  10. Re:Doesn't mention the little problem of broken DR by LordVader717 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just to nitpick: The laser frequency is the same, a blue 405 nm wavelength.

  11. Re:Doesn't mention the little problem of broken DR by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Informative
    People were having trouble with DVD capacity last generation. I remember a few multi-DVD PS2 games.

    Insomniac's Brian Hastings had this to say about the space issue:

    If you ever hear someone say "Blu-Ray isn't needed for this generation," rest assured they don't make games for a living. At Insomniac, we were filling up DVDs on the PS2, as were most of the developers in the industry. We compressed the level data, we compressed the mpeg movies, we compressed the audio, and it was still a struggle to get it to fit in 6 gigs. Now we've got 16 times as much system RAM, so the level data is 16 times bigger. And the average disc space of games only gets bigger over a console's lifespan. As games get bigger, more advanced and more complex, they necessarily take up more space. If developers were filling up DVDs last generation, there are clearly going to be some sacrifices made to fit current generation games in the same amount of space.

    Granted, some really great Xbox 360 games have squeezed onto a DVD9. Gears of War is a beautiful game and shows off the highest resolution textures of anything yet released, partly because of the Unreal Engine's ability to stream textures. This means that you can have much higher resolution textures than you could normally fit in your 512 MB of RAM. It also means that you're going to chew up more disc space for each level. With streamed textures, streamed geometry and streamed audio, even with compression, you can quickly approach 1 GB of data per level. That inherently limits you to a maximum of about 7 levels, and that's without multiplayer levels or mpeg cutscenes.

    Sometimes people ask us, "If Resistance takes 14 gigabytes, why doesn't it look better than Gears?" Well, for one, Resistance didn't support texture streaming, so we had to make choices about where we spent our high-res textures. Resistance also had 30 single-player chapters, six multiplayer maps, uncompressed audio streaming, and high-definition mpegs. That all added up to a lot of space on the disc. Starting with Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction we are supporting texture streaming, which will make the worlds look even better, and will also consume even more space on disc.

    There's no question that you can always cut more levels, compress the audio more, compress the textures more, down-res the mpeg movies, and eventually get any game to fit on a DVD. But you paid for a high-def experience, right? You want the highest resolution, best audio, most cinematic experience a developer can offer, right? That's why Blu-Ray is important for games, and why it will become more important each year of this hardware cycle.