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First Map of an Extrasolar Planet

jiawen writes "Data from the Spitzer Space Telescope has been used by researchers to make the first-ever map of an extrasolar planet. It's a weather map, more precisely, showing temperature variations over the surface of a Hot Jupiter. It really is hot: even the coldest regions are about 1200 degrees F."

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  1. but can I view it by froggero1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    on google maps?

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    1. Re:but can I view it by H3g3m0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its not exactly a real map, its just a really basic heat map, having the ability to zoom in and such isn't really going to be much of an improvement over viewing the jpeg http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/ssc2007-09a_ medium.jpg Even if it was more than a heat map. the planet doesn't even have anything mappable, its a gas giant so its continuously changing (although maybe there would be some more permanent features like the great red spot on Jupiter). I imagine the Google landmarks for it would consist of "(A) The hot bit.", at leas on Mars and the Moon there are some craters etc... Having other planets on Google maps would be nice, but there aren't any maps of any of them yet :(

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  2. 1200 degrees F? by PontifexPrimus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, how much is that in real temperature? Like, 35 degrees C or something?

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    1. Re:1200 degrees F? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only real temperature is Kelvin (which admittetly is based on Celcius which makes a lot more sense than the screwed-up Fahrenheit scale imho :)
      1 200 degrees Fahrenheit = 922.038889 kelvin

    2. Re:1200 degrees F? by Andrew+Kismet · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.google.com/search?q=1200F+in+C

      1200 degrees Fahrenheit = 648.888889 degrees Celsius

    3. Re:1200 degrees F? by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or factor 2,976,243,345 for those of you with red hair.

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    4. Re:1200 degrees F? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Minimum 973 K +/- 33 K
      Maximum 1211 K +/- 11 K

      That's 1751 +/-59 R and 2171 +/-20 R, for you non SI types. Subtract 459 degrees to get Fahrenheit.

    5. Re:1200 degrees F? by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tired of winter? Visit beautiful tropical HD 189733b and bask in the sun; er, star. The sunsets; er, starsets, are gorgeous!

      And the sunset; er, starset lasts all day long since one side always faces the sun; er, star.

      And at only 63 light years away in the constellation Vulpecula you can be home by dinner! Well, by dinner 120 years from now at half the speed of light (our star cruisers' speed).

      Get your ticket today! Only $9869854649868766987676786397862976279323099883836 2746333000990374623746328929928171783847.00 USD!

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    6. Re:1200 degrees F? by ByteSlicer · · Score: 2, Funny

      With that factor you'd end up with no hair :P

    7. Re:1200 degrees F? by teh+kurisu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I disagree. For weather purposes, having the freezing point of water at 0 is more useful, both because freezing temperatures make a substantial difference to human behaviour, and because it is the same worldwide. I live in what would be described as a temperate area, and temperatures here have never reached 100F and rarely dip as low as 0F, so the Fahrenheit scale is less useful.

    8. Re:1200 degrees F? by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reminds me of an old joke:

      "The interior is 50 million degrees."
      "What scale?" ...
      "Does it matter?"

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  3. Amazing that this is possible at all by Phrogman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't seem all that long ago that scientists were merely *inferring* the presence of planets in other solar systems, now we are able to derive a map of one from IR data? Thats an amazing amount of progress for so short a time period. It would be interesting to know how far away this system is, and how large the planet is. If that data was in the article I seem to have missed it...

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    1. Re:Amazing that this is possible at all by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, it's the most interesting area of space exploration now, and imagine where we'll be if the Kepler mission is successful and don't get further pushed ahead in time by budget cuts.

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    2. Re:Amazing that this is possible at all by notabaggins · · Score: 5, Interesting
      It doesn't seem all that long ago that scientists were merely *inferring* the presence of planets in other solar systems, now we are able to derive a map of one from IR data? Thats an amazing amount of progress for so short a time period.

      More than that, it hasn't been all that long since we were debating how common extra-solar planets might be as we had no data at all. For that matter, it's been all of 77 years since the discovery of Pluto, roughly the range of a human lifespan.

      Maybe it's me but, some days, you just have to sit back and think... wow...

    3. Re:Amazing that this is possible at all by jd · · Score: 3, Informative
      Once the square kilometer array has been constructed, we will be able to get maps of this level of detail on Earth-sized planets at 1 AU from its sun at distances of around 50 light-years or so. If they made it a square mile, they could do the same at a distance of 100 light-years.

      Oh, one small correction. We'd be able to get continuous maps. In other words, you'd be able to see temperature (and atmosphere composition) changes over time.

      (At that point, something like SETI would get potentially much less of an intragalactic lottery and be much more interesting.)

      I honestly don't know what resolution the NASA folks are working at, but the image presented is almost certainly some form of interpolation from available data, as even a super-Jovian planet is far too small to get more than a pixel or two resolution at any distance. I don't quite know what they're calculating, rather than directly observing, but there is simply no way they're getting that kind of resolution with direct measurement. Not of a planet.

      There's nothing wrong with mathematical techniques, and if they're as good as they seem to be, then obviously the square kilometer array will be able to resolve Earth-sized planets at greater resolution than initially expected. Which is good, so long as the methods applied are valid.

      (Let's face it - if anyone quibbles with these results, who do you think NASA would send over there to personally check? The person getting fame and glory for the organisation, or the person who is spoiling the party?)

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  4. Get the paper here by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can read a preprint of the published paper for free. (The published version is here, but full text access requires a Nature subscription.)

  5. For all the non-americans, those temperatures... by ricky-road-flats · · Score: 4, Informative

    The warmest spot is 927 C, on the equivalent of Jupiter's Great Red Spot, and the coolest region is 'only' 649 C.

  6. Good work Data. by Nibbler999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Data from the Spitzer Space Telescope has been used by researchers to make the first-ever map of an extrasolar planet
    Data's really keeping himself busy these days.
  7. Obligatory Data Quote by SeaDour · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Life forms.... You tiny little life forms..... You precious little life forms.... Where are you?"

  8. A Matter of Time... by SeaDour · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seems it's only a matter of time now before we can image a planet with pretty city lights on the dark side.

  9. Obligatory Marvin Quote by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Life... don't talk to me about life! Hate it or loathe it, you can't ignore it."

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  10. Re:Whoa, whoa whoa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IF you had bothered to RTFA, you'd have known that the side nearest the star isn't quite the hottest. The hotspot is offset slightly; the theory being that there's a very strong circulation of atmosphere going on.

    The wonder isn't that they've found out that one side is hotter than the other, as per your snide comment, but that they can estimate the temperatures of both sides closely, and even locate where the hottest spot is, and do it over interstellar distances. I think that's worth the "kajillion" dollars.

  11. Re:Global Warming by rbanffy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No.

    But Venus is a nice example of a runaway greenhouse effect on a rocky planet. When people predict a stable ice age because of increased polar melting, I am forced to show there are at least two stable states for a planet like ours and I prefer the ice-age one over the other.

    And since we have been in and out ice ages for... ages, the other state seems much more stable.

  12. Hot Jupiters! by Progman3K · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's amazing, batman!

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  13. I'm confused by bill_of_wrongs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looking at the map it seems like the polar regions are the coolest. If that is so and the planet is tidal locked shouldn't the far side be cooler ?

    1. Re:I'm confused by cathector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the article posits that the far side is still pretty hot for the same reason the big Hot Spot is not exactly facing the star: 6000 MPH (9656 KPH) winds are pushing everything around.

      I'm not clear from the articles if by "coolest spot" they mean the coolest spot on the equator, or they're including the poles.

  14. Re:Interesting in a way i suppose by radtea · · Score: 5, Informative

    but seriously. It orbits very close to its sun so is anyone surprised the damn thing is really hot?

    The interesting science is how the temperature is distributed, not that it is really hot. The planet is almost certainly tidally locked, so one side faces the star all the time. However, the hottest part of the planet is not at the "high noon" position on the "surface" (which for some reason is what the article calls the cloud-tops).

    The highest temperature region is about 30 degrees (angle, not temperature!) away from high noon. This, plus the relatively small temperature difference between the light hemisphere and dark hemisphere tell us that the planetary atmosphere is subject to extremely high winds, which are distributing the heat.

    This is a fascinating way of probing the dynamics of planetary atmospheres under extreme conditions.

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  15. 1200 F, eh? by GeorgiaCodeMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    How long before Al Gore makes a movie about it? :D

  16. Not quite exactly by DrYak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The idea was that 0-degrees was ice-water (e.g. the temperature where water can exist simultaneously as a liquid and a solid. The freezing temperature of water is actually lower than this


    Actually the 0 was fixed as a mix of ice and salt, that also happened to be the lowest temperature observed in winter time in his region (Wikipedia has a couple of such stories).
    0F is much lower than the freezing point of water (around 0C or +32F).

    Celsius fixed his 0 according to physical properties of water - freezing and boiling point.
    Because they where the most easily reproducible in any lab wishing to calibrate it's thermometer during this time (compared to Farenheit which required a MIX with salt for the lower point and unreliable body temperature as upper point).
    Nowadays, the Celsius has been redefined a little bit in order to have a stricter definition (based on absolute zero and water's triple point).

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  17. question about the heat map by narkfly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, after taking a look at the article, the press release, and the associated images, I have a question about the pattern of recorded temperature on the surface of the planet. If the hot spot on the planet is offset by 30 degrees of the substellar (high noon) point because of a predicted 6,000 mph jetstream to the east, why then does the coolest equatorial temperature show up directly to the east of the hot spot? In other words, why doesn't the long orange tail of mid-temperatures extend to the east of the hot spot instead of to the west? Is there a basic principle that I'm missing here, or have i conceived the whole situation incorrectly?