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No Winner In NASA's Moon-Dirt Digging Competition

Engadget is reporting that NASA's recent moon-dirt digging competition has concluded without a winner being named. "The excavator built by Technology Ranch was able to notch first place by relocating just over 143-pounds in 30 minutes, but fell quite short on picking up any award monies. So for those of you who weren't exactly ready to go mano-a-mano with these guys and gals this time around, next year you've all got $750,000 on the line."

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  1. Re:What? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

    We can put a man on the moon but...
    Stop right there. We can't.
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  2. Better Link by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    A better link with no subscription required.

    It should be noted that this is the sixth of seven Centennial Challenges to go unawarded since 2005 by NASA. They have strict contests because they actually intend to implement the winner's idea. 150 kgs on 30 Watts? Good luck, nobody should be ashamed not to hit that mark!

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    1. Re:Better Link by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Informative

      The time limit to move the 150kg was 30 minutes. You already knew about the 30 watt limit. Calculate away.

    2. Re:Better Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was 30Kw IIRC
      According to the competition page, it is 30 Watts, not 30 Kilowatts:

      • Each team's excavation system must be fully autonomous
      • Systems will perform in a square sandbox filled with compressed lunar regolith simulant.
      • Mass of the system cannot exceed 40 kilograms.
      • 30 Watts of DC power will be provided to the system.
      • Each system will have 30 minutes to excavate as much regolith as possible and deliver it to a fixed collector adjacent to the sandbox.
      • The total purse of $250,000 will go to the winning teams excavating the most regolith above 150 kilograms.
    3. Re:Better Link by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 3, Informative

      If they listed some kind of time constraint, as well as what type of distance the dirt was being moved... The articles seem to make it sound like there is a 30 minute time limit. As for the distance, it looks like the machines only lift it out of the ground into a collection bin close by (you can probably assume a meter or two).

      If we assume a 30 minute time limit, we could move 150kg on the moon (with gravity of 1.6m/s^2), a max of 225m high, on earth it would be a max of 36.7m high. Of course, that is with 100% efficiency. This could obviously be moved a lot further horizontally and the numbers will probably have to be cut in half since we would only be carrying a load for half the time (the other half would be going back to dig).

      In any event, the 30W limitation is quite reasonable, assuming the 30 minute time limit and that it doesn't have to be moved too far.
  3. What you can't move with 30 Watts... by Notquitecajun · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can move with 3 pounds of dynamite....or c-4 if you want something actually --stable-- you weenies. Explosives have worked well at moving dirt for a good while.

    Oh, sorry, you wanted it moved from here to there, not just "moved."

  4. I figure... by Mockylock · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you could stop at your local day-worker site with some space suits, I bet those fuckers could move some moon dirt in wholesale fashion. We're talking 1000 kilos in 30 minutes, for $50 a head. Saves you lots of money in R&D and I guarantee you can fit 40 of them in one capsule.

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  5. oblignignokt by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Funny

    The entrants all made the mistake of constructing the means to move dirt in Earth's three puny dimensions.

    On the moon, they have five.

    Thousand.
    Yes, five thousand. Don't question it.

  6. Conveyor belt by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Funny

    It looks like Slashdot's resident armchair engineers made a pretty good call. That's what the top entrant used.

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  7. Re:What? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    If we were highly motivated we could go back sooner than you think - unless you're one of those "the moon landings were faked" bozos. Then "we" doesn't include you. Because when they can identify them before they plan the kidnapping, they don't allow psychotics to join the space program.

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  8. Not good enough? by Normal+Dan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems odd NASA would need to move so much in such a short time. Although I have no problem with there being no winners in a competition where the guidelines are set, however, once on the moon, I would imagine time is not of a great significance. The cost of getting there is far more important than the cost of the time it take to move dirt. I would be more interested in who could build the lightest machine to move rock.

    Then again, as I think about it, 140 lbs is not a whole lot of rock. Doing some quick calculations if might take several months to excavate a useful cavern at that rate. Hrmm... *goes back to his calculations*

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  9. Re:What? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm glad you don't think I'm trolling, because I don't do that. But I do think that given the budget and the will - both of which are conspicuously absent - we could get to the moon in less than eight years. Besides the general subject of advances in science since the last moon landing, there's also the fact that there's simply many more firms in aerospace today. I think that the only missing ingredient is the will, really, but it's definitely absent.

    This does (once again) raise an interesting point, however. I've still never gotten a reasonable answer as to why we don't have all the documentation from all the prior NASA missions. How is it possible for blueprints to go missing? Whose idea was it to not update the blueprints as parts were changed on the vehicles? What is the source of the gross incompetence that has NASA engineers studying NASA designs in museums to find out what we have forgotten? And how quickly can we get a mission together to land them on the sun?

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