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'Racetrack' Memory Could Replace Hard Drives?

Galactic_grub writes "An experimental new type of memory that uses nanosecond pulses of electric current to push magnetic regions along a wire could dramatically boost the capacity, speed and reliability of storage devices. Magnetic domains are moved along a wire by pulses of polarized current, and their location is read by fixed sensors arranged along the wire. Previous experiments have been disappointing, but now researchers have found that super-fast pulses of electricity prevent the domains from being obstructed by imperfections in the crystal."

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  1. Sounds like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...they've updated coil memory.

    1. Re:Sounds like... by AltGrendel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you mean core memory.

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    2. Re:Sounds like... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it's more like Bubble Memory
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_memory

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    3. Re:Sounds like... by morie · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "Audio like..."

      What a nice game, this "guess what he means". I wonder how many more replies there (their/they're/there're) will be.

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    4. Re:Sounds like... by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      It sounds more like Delay line memory to me.

    5. Re:Sounds like... by rockout · · Score: 1

      I think he means Grizabella Memory

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    6. Re:Sounds like... by Intron · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bubble memory was like delay-line memory, but retained the data when the power was off. Not clear from the article whether racetrack can be non-volatile, but it needs that to compete with disk.

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    7. Re:Sounds like... by kjs3 · · Score: 1

      Bubble memory, rope memory, mercury delay lines, etc., etc. Oh, yeah...new and innovative stuff, pushing bits around a medium...

    8. Re:Sounds like... by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1
      Nope I think GP was right.

      They've = they have

      There've = there have

      So they've updated coil memory would read:

      they have updated coil memory or

      there have updated coil memory

      You know I hate people who correct spelling and grammar on /., but even worse are those who get the correction wrong.

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    9. Re:Sounds like... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Bubble mammary, holographic mammary, Where the hell's my flying car? Why are we still using these Victorian mechanical storage devices. Feel like I'm stuck in Difference Engine World. Now, if it was Girl Genius World, that would be something.

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    10. Re:Sounds like... by grangerfx · · Score: 2, Funny

      I remember taking apart an old CRT terminal decades ago to see how it worked. It contained a sealed flat metal case. When I opened it, I was shocked to discover a simple coil of wire with a precision set screw on the end. The function of the device was obvious. The contents of the display buffer were shunted into the coil where the bits were cycled endlessly. When a new character needed to be added the oldest was dropped off the end.

    11. Re:Sounds like... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Magnetic domain -- bubble memory -- this is old, as in late 70's early 80's old. I think Intel had a 1MB chip before it was dropped. Clock speed may be different, but pushing magnetic domains along a wire isn't.

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    12. Re:Sounds like... by kaladorn · · Score: 1

      Bubble mammary, holographic mammary, Where the hell's my flying car? Why are we still using these Victorian mechanical storage devices. Feel like I'm stuck in Difference Engine World. Now, if it was Girl Genius World, that would be something. Not quite sure where mammaries came into the picture.... ...mind you, not like that's a bad thing. I just don't quite know how much storage your average mammary would have, or whether it would be volatile, or how it might replace a 'hard drive'....

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    13. Re:Sounds like... by morie · · Score: 1

      and even worse, people who forget to turn on their/there/the're/hun SlashSense-o-humor before posting to /.

      I do believe, Sir, it was meant in a frolicky fashion, Slashdot Style... I can understand the misconception, Sir.

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    14. Re:Sounds like... by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1
      "I believe you mean "there've"."


      Yep, you got me there, that humor went straight over my head. Perhaps you can explain the frolicky fashion that I'm missing

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    15. Re:Sounds like... by morie · · Score: 1

      ah, yes,

      On the one hand you have the spelling nazi. On the other hand the true-blooded slashdotter with their own logic in spelling. Lately, it seems there is a reaction to the spelling nazi, in which the slashdotter "corrects" some rather OK english into slashdot style spelling.

      This particular GGGGP post got a lot of replies stating "you actually mean...". This provokes those with their own particular sense of humor.

      There, a joke explained. Please don't complain it is not even remotely funny. A joke explained tends not to be.

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    16. Re:Sounds like... by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1
      "Please don't complain it is not even remotely funny. A joke explained tends not to be.

      Too true, the explanation was way more funny. **sigh**

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  2. I've seen it in fibre before... by simm1701 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember reading some research a couple of years ago that somethign similar was done using 100km of optical fibre and a router programmed to keep sending the same stuff around the loop, or it could read it/write it as it came around.

    In some ways being slower is definitely an advantage, even with 100km at 10Gb/s you don't have much storage when the bits are moving at the speed of light.

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    1. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by kaszeta · · Score: 5, Informative
      I remember reading some research a couple of years ago that somethign similar was done using 100km of optical fibre and a router programmed to keep sending the same stuff around the loop, or it could read it/write it as it came around.

      The basic technique is even older than that. Google "Mercury Delay Line" for early examples: they'd make a long thin tube of mercury with transponders at each ender. It was around 5 ft per K, IIRC.

    2. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by simm1701 · · Score: 1

      Cool :) thanks for that.

      Mod parent up interesting/informative :)

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    3. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      if I had a dollar for every time they've said "this new XYZ technology could replace hard drives," I could buy a lot of hard drives

    4. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by simm1701 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like an idea for a slashdot poll:

      Which is your favorite vapourware "hard disk replacement"? :)

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    5. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Mercury delay lines were the cause of a bizarre
      computer architecture. The normal form of instructions
      had an "address of next instruction" field.

      After getting the program to "work", i.e get the correct
      answer, the "optimization" stage consisted of working out how
      long each instruction would take, and then positioning the "logically next"
      instruction at the location just about to appear out of the delay line.

      There was no advantage to inner loops that were faster than the
      delay round the mercury loop. Unless you could unroll and fit two
      repetitions into one trip round.

      Of course, all of this was done by hand.

    6. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Straight from google's built-in calculator:
      10 Gbps / c * 100 km = 437.209131 kilobytes

    7. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by Sazarac · · Score: 1

      Kind of sounds like the "pipe organ" computer Waterhouse created in Stephenson's Cryptonomicon which used standing pressure waves to store states.

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    8. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by simm1701 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really...

      10Gbps = 1.25GB/s
      c = 300,000Km/s (2sf)

      Does 100km in 1/3s

      1.25GB/s * 1/3 s = 0.416GB

      I think your answer is off by a factor of 1000 (or maybe 1024) :)

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    9. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by simm1701 · · Score: 1

      Or alternative I could be talking bollocks - always a possbility :)

      I suspect its more the case they had 100,000Km of fibre - in fact multiples of - since I distinctly remember them talking about gigs of capacity with latency in 1/10s of a second

      And given 15Km of test fiber sits in a box 1m * 50cm* 50cm (I know as we used to have a few where I used to work) I can see if being feasable to have the 100,000km - if it were a big lab with lots contacts in the fiber optics industry

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    10. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by Intron · · Score: 1

      Speed of light depends on the material. Fiber cable is usually about 1.5, so you will get 50% more storage capacity than light in a vacuum.

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    11. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by Intron · · Score: 1

      Meant to say "refractive index is about 1.5". Use the Preview Button!

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    12. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by Glytch · · Score: 1

      - Isolinear chips
      - HAL's holographics
      - Cowboyneal's abacus emporium

    13. Re:I've seen it in fibre before... by slickwillie · · Score: 1

      Really? I actually had that idea about 30 years ago.

      It's a good thing I didn't have a lab at my disposal. I was just a lowly undergrad.

  3. This sounds.... by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...vaguely reminiscent of "Bubble Memory" 25 years ago. And everyone was saying *that* was going to replace hard drives too.

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    1. Re:This sounds.... by MakerPharoah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, reminds me of both bubble and "Twistor" type memories from the 70s (yes this is an actual thing).

    2. Re:This sounds.... by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
      it also sounds like mercury delay line memory from the 1940's and used in the earliest computers.

      Plus ca change

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  4. Anything by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anything would be better than the current way my hard drive works. Spinning discs on a platter?! A thousand moving parts?! What is this, the Stone Age?!

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    1. Re:Anything by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anything would be better than the current way my hard drive works You mean a technology that is
      • cheap
      • reliable - OK, hard drive errors do exist but I wish my car, for example, was as reliable
      • standardized - OK, there are a number of standards but not that many
      Yes, in the long term I don't see the hard drive as the best method of data storage but the altenatives have a long way to go before they replace it.
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    2. Re:Anything by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Anything would be better than the current way my hard drive works. Spinning discs on a platter?! A thousand moving parts?! What is this, the Stone Age?!


      Hey, it works and is for the most part reliable. BTW- why does everyone assume that there won't be a need or desire for mechanical systems in the next century? Mechanical engineering and design is far from passe, and will find applications in new fields like space travel in the future.


      -b.

    3. Re:Anything by pla · · Score: 3, Informative

      Spinning discs on a platter?! A thousand moving parts?! What is this, the Stone Age?!

      I know you meant that as a joke, but...

      You should take a HDD apart some time. Though manufactured to incredibly small tolerances, they only really have two moving parts - the platters, and the head assembly (which despite having a lot of sub-parts, moves as a single unit).

      And aside from them, you don't even have that much else that goes into a HDD - usually two air filters (one for keeping internal air clean, and one that balances external air pressure changes); the body itself (just a big aluminum block with an airtight lid); A magnet assembly for moving the heads; and the electronics on the visible external board. Sometimes you have one more small mechanical bit that doesn't seem to do anything (perhaps it parks the heads for shipping?); And that about covers it.

    4. Re:Anything by dotfile · · Score: 2, Informative

      That extra little mechanical bit is a head lock - keeps them from flopping around while the drive's powered down.

    5. Re:Anything by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      A thousand moving parts?! What is this, the Stone Age?! Yes, but when they fail you have some cool magnets to play with!
    6. Re:Anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood why they don't keep the disk still and spin the laser instead. This would require mirrors and a bigger housing, I guess, but surely you could spin a tiny mirror faster than a fat disk?

      IANA (I Am Not Anything) but are there any serious mechanical or engineering hurdles to overcome in flipping the disk paradigm on its head in this way? Because it seems like such a simple idea that someone must have come up with it before unless a) it's impossible or b) I'm an unsung genius.

      And in my case, B = A.

    7. Re:Anything by YouMakeMeSoANGRY · · Score: 1

      Well, one hurdle would be reading a magnetic disc with a laser.

    8. Re:Anything by comradeeroid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Anything would be better than the current way my hard drive works. Spinning discs on a platter?! A thousand moving parts?! What is this, the Stone Age?!

      Well, actually it's worse than the stone age. Back then we had "Monoliths" which (apart from glacial shift and other geological "features" - or "bugs" as anyone outside sales management called them) had no moving (of movable even) parts at all.

      When the storage space on a monolith wasn't enough you could expand to a "Circle".
      Still, the space on a full circle even with a connected "Altar" and a full set of "Druids" and "Maidens" peripheals wasn't more than perhaps 256 bytes. So the monolith system was later on replaced by paper which had the benefit of portability but the drawback of reduced lifespan.

      Paper was a very popular form of storage, though with some flaws. For example attempts at "burning" information onto papers were done several times in recorded history (for instance back in 1939) but even if it was a fast and effective way to handle the information it was totally destructive to the media and had to be abandoned. Burning then lay dormant as a form of inprinting information on media until the discovery of CD's.

      CD's are a hybrid technology combining one not very moving part with several moving parts that moves the unmoving part around. No clever explanation for this behaviour has ever been found and most scientists just doesn't like to talk about it.

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    9. Re:Anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So an optical disk would be ok? But slow?

    10. Re:Anything by dargaud · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I understand the need for air to keep the head flying off the surface of the platter. What I don't understand is the need to have a hole to exchange the air with the outside. Can't they just fill it with neutral gas at the optimum pressure and seal the damn thing ? I say that because I've used hard drive at high altitude and they FAIL often. I mean, if they can do it with salad, why can't they do it to HDs ?

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    11. Re:Anything by AlecC · · Score: 1

      Almost as bad as the engine of my car. Lumps of metal hurling themselves up and down hundreds of times a second, accelerating and braking over and over again. Tolerances of a hair thickness running at hundreds of degrees and expecting tom be kept oiled without burning the oil. Fires meing lit ans extinguished ijn millisecond. Camshafts? Valves? Timing chains? All expected to keep in exact step? It'll never work, I tell you. And if it does, it will only run for minutes before something in the whole haywire mess breaks.

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    12. Re:Anything by Nimey · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're not sealed because air pressure is a powerful thing. If you take a laptop with a sealed hd on an airplane, the pressure changes in flight could throw various parts out of true. There'd also be metal fatigue just from normal air-pressure changes due to weather.

      In other words, the guys who've been designing hard drives for the past few decades aren't stupid.

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    13. Re:Anything by suggsjc · · Score: 1

      they only really have two moving parts
      I'm not saying that flash memory is the answer, but it has zero moving parts.
      The last time I checked two is an infinitely larger number than zero.

      So I'm not knocking HDDs as the R&D, and precision engineering involved is noting to scoff at, but I think we can all agree that it isn't the ideal medium for storage.
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    14. Re:Anything by BrewedInTexas · · Score: 2, Funny

      That was a quick trip to Godwin's.

    15. Re:Anything by ps236 · · Score: 1
      Flash memory is no good because it has a limited number of write cycles (typically about 10,000 - after which it becomes 'random'. If a swap file was on flash memory, it'd soon die..)

      RamSan is an alternative - very fast, no moving parts - as used by the database servers for the Eve Online MMORPG.

      The only drawback is cost... And they're not totally solid state - if you get a power cut, the batteries last long enough to write the data to internal hard disks. I suppose potentially these hard disks could be replaced by flash memory since it won't be written to that often (compared with a normal PC's hard disk)

      For now, hard disks far beat anything else for cost per MB, reliability and data density.

    16. Re:Anything by dargaud · · Score: 1

      I never said they are stupid, I just didn't know the reason. But I'm still surprised that my plastic watch can withstand 4 bars (~30m depth) when a much easier to harden HD cannot... Why should there be metal fatigue on a static enclosure ?!?

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    17. Re:Anything by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That reminds me of something I'd almost forgotten; the first Amstrad PC clones (*) that my Dad had at work required you to run a utility to "manually" park the heads on the hard drive before you powered down. Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

      (*) Amstrad is a British company who (amongst other things) sold the first *really* successful PC clones on the UK market.

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    18. Re:Anything by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why can't they just throw a silicone diaphragm in there in place of the filter? It would outlast the device and eliminate the pressurization problem without involving exchange with outside air (which I agree is stupid - but then, the last drive I saw without such a feature was a dead conner drive.)

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    19. Re:Anything by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of something I'd almost forgotten; the first Amstrad PC clones (*) that my Dad had at work required you to run a utility to "manually" park the heads on the hard drive before you powered down. Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

      Every ST-506 interface drive I've ever owned (MFM, RLL, maybe ESDI? I never had any ESDI) required manual parking of the heads. park.com was a required utility back in the DOS days. You only really need to park heads before moving the computer, though.

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    20. Re:Anything by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Your watch isn't a precision instrument, while the drive is. The watch's internal works can sustain more damage before the watch's operation is affected. Plus, nobody stores information, important or otherwise, on a watch.

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    21. Re:Anything by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Cost, probably.

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    22. Re:Anything by suggsjc · · Score: 1

      For now, hard disks far beat anything else for cost per MB, reliability and data density.
      Agreed, no argument there. However, I thought this whole conversation was about the future of data storage. So again, I'm not saying HDD's are bad/evil/whatever but I just don't think they are going to be around for another 10-20 years as the dominant storage medium.
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    23. Re:Anything by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      Building a read/write head that spins AND seeks is pretty complex. It's much simpler to have the disk spin in place while the head seeks back and forth.

    24. Re:Anything by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Flash memory is no good because it has a limited number of write cycles (typically about 10,000 - after which it becomes 'random'. If a swap file was on flash memory, it'd soon die..)


      Very low-end flash memory has that kind of write cycles. And it's typically limited to NOR flash, which is used only for code memory and limited data store due it its large cell size (largest NOR flash chips are around 256MB). Even so, Intel's StrataFlash had write lifetimes of at least 100,000 erase-write cycles, and most flash chips are underrated by an order of magnitude.

      Modern bulk-dsta storage flash is NAND flash, which due to its smaller cell size (partly due to its design, and partly due to operation), means 16GB (byte, not bits) per chip is starting to become practical. NAND flash is faster erasing and writing than NOR flash, but much slower (order of magnitude) slower at reading. Plus it's I/O based - you can't "boot" from NAND flash like you can from NOR. (Write/Erase/Reads are on the order of microseconds for NAND - typically 100-500uS for write/erase, and 10uS for reads. For NOR, writes are typically 300-1000milliseconds, erases 1000ms, but reads on the order of 100ns or less).

      Because of the operational characteristics of NAND flash, it typically has a 100,000 write-erase cycle limit at the minimum, with most offering at least 1,000,000 cycles (and typically lasts an order of magnitude more).

      Wear-levelling algorithms and bad-block handling increase the time between writes and erases to the point where it almost isn't a consideration anymore - when the drive dies eventually, it'll really be timeto change it. And at least when an SSD dies, it dies on erases and writes, and very rarely on read. So if you get write errors, you still have a great probability of recovering all the data (except the data which was just written).

      It's write-erase cycles, because erasing turns "0" bits into "1" bits. Writing turns "1" bits into "0" bits. Within certain restrictions, you can do multiple writes to a block (turning "1" bits into "0" bits, but you can't turn a "0" bit into a "1" bit without erasing), but those don't count towards write-erase cycles. (This behavior is often exploited when marking blocks as dirty and such). And they only fail on writes or erases due to internal timeouts (each cell takes progressively longer and longer to erase and write). Reads can be considered as never failing.
    25. Re:Anything by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Crap. I'm old enough to remember parking HDD heads myself.

      Diana Rigg is still a hot babe, though. Right?

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    26. Re:Anything by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      No, a change to the air pressure of a plane inside, much less outside, would massively distort it, causing it to bubble outward like a small balloon. Or if it were stiff enough to prevent this, you'd lose the equalization ability beyond near the ground level.

      I don't recall the pressure inside a commercial jet (much less the cargo hold or in Denver), but if you half the air pressure, you'll double the required volume for what's inside the HDD to make it equal. The volume inside the HDD is now duplicated inside the bubble. Hence for a number of reasons (bubbles popping, sticking out too far and hitting other components in the computer, stress of repeated flexings, or worse, just the general aging problems plastics and rubbers have making them brittle, it just won't work.

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    27. Re:Anything by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Can we shut up about the Godwins already? Godwin posts have become even more annoying than the Nazi references they referred to.

      Also, anti-Godwin posts are getting pretty tired, too.

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    28. Re:Anything by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Actually, yeah, she is. But she doesn't wear the leather cat suit any more.

      (I'm also old enough to remember parking hard drive heads. I thought self-parking drive heads were kind of a miracle.)

    29. Re:Anything by dotfile · · Score: 1

      I'm old enough to remember heads that self-parked because the hydraulic pressure retracted the carriage assembly as power was dropped to the solenoids controlling the spool valves. Yeah, I'm not kidding. About a quart of hydraulic oil pressurized by a Cessna-manufactured pump. I miss the old 2314...

    30. Re:Anything by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Why should you need to totally seal it? Just have a very small hole blocked by a very tight filter. This would effectively seal the case, while allowing pressure changes to equalize slowly. (Is that what they do? It used to be that air circulation / exchange with the outside was used to cool the drive. And driven by a fan.)

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    31. Re:Anything by comradeeroid · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be rather redundant calling Goodwin's law unto a obviously humorous post?

      It's not as if I tried to make a point about anyone being a nazi or do anything past a pretty harmless joke about the concept of burning information onto media.

      I'd even go so far as saying that invoking Goodwin's law unto a joke is akin to being a...

      ...

      Now, wait just a minute...

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    32. Re:Anything by BrewedInTexas · · Score: 1

      I just found it odd that you could go from memory to nazis in one jump. This guy is a god at six degrees of Hitler.

    33. Re:Anything by comradeeroid · · Score: 1

      The amzing thing is that I wasn't even aiming for Hitler, I just expected the joke to be more obvious if I used 1939 than if I used for example AD 367, AD 1873, 213 BC, AD 325, AD 1085, AD 1242, AD 1497, AD 1562, AD 1842, AD 1948, AD 1952, AD 1988 or any of the Harry Potter burnings. (Potter was ruled out since I thought it moot to put in book burnings at a date that superceeds CD burning). But of course since I was obviously flagrantly tresspassing Goodwins territory feel free to amend my original post to any of the non nazi dates you find above.
      I'm just trying to joke about the development of memory here. ;P

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    34. Re:Anything by BrewedInTexas · · Score: 1

      And I wasn't trying to "invoke godwin's".

      I was making a bad joke.

      Sorry.

    35. Re:Anything by comradeeroid · · Score: 1

      So, you made a bad joke about a bad joke. The redundancy of the situation is staggering. Have we created a black hole for jokes?
      No need to be sorry. Paranoid and defensive is my default setting for Slashdot.

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  5. No, core memory... by msauve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    stores 1 bit per "core." The article is about a form of memory which continually cycles multiple bits stored as magnetic regions through a single physical ring. The OP is correct in that this is similar to cycling photons through an optical ring.

    Looking back, this is all very similar to shift register memory, one of the earliest forms of solid state memory.

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  6. Who needs nylon? by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just ping foreign servers a lot

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  7. says Peter Fischer by ChineseDragon · · Score: 1

    "The question is can we fabricate media that are perfect or control the imperfections,"

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    1. Re:says Peter Fischer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but will support be embedded in the latest Kernel?

  8. Potential for fun by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

    How racetrack-like are we talking about? Does it smell like spilled booze and horse puckey? Can I gamble away the kids' college money on it?

    1. Re:Potential for fun by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1

      Does it smell like spilled booze and horse puckey? That's a rather zen-like question: what do the vapours of vapourware smell like if they don't exist?

      Can I gamble away the kids' college money on it? I'm sure there will be an overambitious start-up somewhere looking to leverage this, and bring in some gullible venture capitalists, so in that sense your wish may yet be granted.
  9. It's bent in the shape of a "3" by kennylogins · · Score: 1

    nm

  10. there != their by niceone · · Score: 3, Informative
    their location.

    I will stop now before I make a simple grammatical error myself.

    (yes, I know you're looking, hmm, hmm, must be one here somewhere)

    1. Re:there != their by Aladrin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ah, too bad. 'their' is plural, so it'd be 'their locations'. It's okay, though, since the original summary had the same problem. To have 'their location' read, they'd all have to be in exactly the same place... And that'd be pointless in this situation. So 'their locations are read'.

      I'm going to completely ignore the lack of a capital letter and period on that last sentence.

      I'm terribly annoyed by the constant inability of people to use the correct word, too, but in the end, none of us are perfect. I've started to convert from grammar-nazi to grammar-prejudiced instead. It's quite useful to be able to judge a person's intelligence by the format of their text. Saves me a lot of headaches, I can tell you.

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    2. Re:there != their by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I will stop their now before I make a simple grammatical error myself, perhaps?

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    3. Re:there != their by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Grammar nazis usually post because they believe people would like to learn from their mistakes, so as not to look stupid in the future. Who wants to continually make a mistake that should have been corrected by the most basic education? The grammar nazi is a bit of an idealist.

      As they become more cynical (or is that 'more experienced'?), they realise that most of these idiots who don't bother to learn English once are not going to bother to try and improve themselves afterward either. In fact, they take a perverse pride in looking like a fool. Thus the grammar nazi 'graduates' to grammar prejudice, dismissing the opinions of fools directly - the very situation their original idealism was trying to help prevent.

    4. Re:there != their by hesiod · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I believe the "Grammar Prejudiced" are actually the Grammar Nazis to whom you refer (please don't correct me if that's an incorrect usage of "whom"; it's a stupid word). The G.Nazis were once teachers who realized the students didn't want to learn.

      The extreme have become so extreme that their former extremism is seen to be perfectly normal. Or at least less @$$hole-ish.

    5. Re:there != their by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has nothing to do with the OP, but on the subject of grammar - I really wish people would use "and I" and "and me" correctly. You simply shouldn't say, "Come to the concert with Bob and I." But it's probably the most grievously violated grammar rule ever.
       
      Here's how it works. Take the other people out of the sentence and figure out which word you'd use to refer to yourself. Then put the other people first.
       
        You get:
       
      "Come to the concert with me." = "Come to the concert with Bob and me."
       
      "I went to the concert." = "Bob and I went to the concert."

      bleh

    6. Re:there != their by eclectic4 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      (yes, I know your'e looking, hmm, hmm, there must be one here somewhere)

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    7. Re:there != their by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      (please don't correct me if that's an incorrect usage of "whom"; it's a stupid word)

      Why is it any more stupid than the word 'him' or the word 'her'? Should we just convert to using 'he' and 'she' and 'who' exclusively? Also, no correction necessary. Just use 'whom' when you could rewrite the sentence using 'him' or 'her' and use 'who' when you can rewrite the sentence using 'he' or 'she'. It really isn't that hard.

    8. Re:there != their by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Oh...and the people who use 'myself' when they mean 'me'. That bugs myself to no end.

    9. Re:there != their by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Oh...and the people who use 'myself' when they mean 'me'. That bugs myself to no end. You should listen to some classic Smothers Brothers: "My brother and myselves...".
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    10. Re:there != their by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      The grammar obsession is more to do with humans desire to
      look more for fault in others than themselves, and not
      additionally taking the time to realize that grammar
      in english doesn't always work in other languages.

      So in fact it is somewhat language specific, and thus
      is just in fact something made up by mankind.

      Some people think adding layers of complexity to it all
      makes them smart, but in fact it is just clutter,
      and thus the milestone of the chinese making simplified chinese
      I consider a first step in the right direction, for all.

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    11. Re:there != their by Phleg · · Score: 1

      I will stop now before I make a simple grammatical error myself.

      Unless you're really replacing yourself with a simple grammatical error, I think you meant, "I will stop now before I make a simple grammatical error, myself."

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    12. Re:there != their by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I prefer Verizon.

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  11. Bubble memory... by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 1

    I had *exactly* the same reaction.

    Geez. Every 30 years, or so, everything old is new again. I'm getting tired of this constant repetition in life.

    I mean, I was praying *never* to see bell-bottoms ever again, as long as I lived. Shudder.

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    1. Re:Bubble memory... by Randolpho · · Score: 1

      Ironically, I'm wearing a pair of bell-bottom jeans right now.

      Thankfully, you can't see them. :)

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    2. Re:Bubble memory... by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

      Every 30 years, or so, everything old is new again And vice versa. The first time I heard about commercially-available SSDs (solid-state disks), they were being used to replace the aging HDs on industrial PDP-11 systems. The SSDs were more reliable than the RK05/RP07s they replaced and used less power, but it just seemed so wrong to have these SOTA[0] drives hooked up to these ancient machines. Nothing against PDP-11s, they're great, but why does a machine with a cycle time measured in milliseconds need a disk with a couple hundred MB/sec of bandwidth?
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  12. Polarity by mrv00t · · Score: 0

    "...Magnetic domains are moved along a wire by pulses of polarized current..."

    But with tachyon pulse we could reverse the polarity and ...

    1. Re:Polarity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... like blowing too much air into a balloon!

  13. Everything old is new again by overshoot · · Score: 1

    Sweeeeeeeet! Bubble memory is back.

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    1. Re:Everything old is new again by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Upside of everything old being new: Lifelong employment will come back.
      Downside of everything old being new: Wham! will come back.

      I'm pretty sure I prefer to live in the future, not the past...

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  14. Tiny bubbles. by 1shooter · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It reminds me of bubble memory technology from the early 80's. Back then a Multi-bus card had whole 512K of non-volatile memory for an 8086. Later versions got larger but the ever increasing density of eeprom/flash and disk media doomed it.

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  15. Hello core memory? by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

    Magnetic memory went the way of the dodo a good 35 years ago.

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    1. Re:Hello core memory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Ever heard of FRAM? Fero Memory has been trying to make a comeback ever since it was surpassed by transistorized memories back in the early 70's! There is a technology that people are trying to role out right now based on ferric properties on Silicon substrates. Same features as core.

  16. Delay line memory by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    It reminded me of Delay Line Memory

    I remember tearing apart a small one as a kid - out of a 100 lb 80 x 25 monochrome CRT. A bunch of wire in a foot square metal box.

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  17. The more things change, by gillbates · · Score: 2, Informative

    The more they stay the same.

    For those who don't know, delay line memories have been around for at least 50 years...

    Kind of interesting that they are using an old concept with new technologies.

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  18. Goddamn kids by PixelScuba · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bah, in my day, the REAL Stone Age, we had to etch hash marks into a nearby rock to save our data. You damn kids and your fancy, rewritable magnetic storage media.

  19. Carbon nanotubes? by f00Dave · · Score: 1

    However, there are still problems that need to be overcome before the technique could be used more widely. In particular, small crystal imperfections in the wire impede progress, slowing down some domain walls and stopping others altogether.

    Maybe it's obvious, but wouldn't carbon nanotubes be a prime suspect, here?
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    1. Re:Carbon nanotubes? by Dragon+By+Proxy · · Score: 0

      Ohhhhh no.

      The last time we had a series of tubes, well... I'm sure you know the story.

  20. Hard disks vs Cars by giafly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ok hard drive errors do exist but I wish my car, for example, was as reliable
    If I drove a car that was as as unreliable as my hard drives, I'd be dead. Three crashes in the last 4 years, all contents lost.
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    1. Re:Hard disks vs Cars by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Something tells me that you have either heat, vibration, or power issues.

      Either that or you're incredibly unlucky.

    2. Re:Hard disks vs Cars by ACalcutt · · Score: 1

      Or buying shitty drives...like maxtor or samsung...

    3. Re:Hard disks vs Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't be dead. You'd just have a large towing bill.

  21. That's not bubble memory... by Yoozer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's Shigawire!

    This will bring us one step closer to the Dune Universe. I call dibs on the first load of Spice!

    1. Re:That's not bubble memory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call dibs on the first load of Spice! Muad'Dibs?
  22. Plus one addressing by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Generally known as n + 1 addressing, where n was how many operands had addresses in the instruction. Also used with drum memory, which was in the physical shape of a cylinder ion the one drum machine I used, but was mainly a head per track disk, so no seeking required. Some drums had multiple heads per track for some tracks to reduce latency further.

    The optimization was great fun, my favorite part. You could make programs scream if you paid attention.

    1. Re:Plus one addressing by Rorschach1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mel? Is that you?

    2. Re:Plus one addressing by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wish! I understand Mel *exactly*. Squeezing the last bit of performance and efficiency is heaven. It is an almost useless skill nowadays, and I don't do it any more on that level, but I sure wish ....

    3. Re:Plus one addressing by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      >The optimization was great fun, my favorite part. You could make programs scream if you paid attention.

      How can you be so cruel to the poor poor programs? Sadist.

    4. Re:Plus one addressing by Rorschach1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I understand completely. My thing is 8-bit MCUs, and there's nothing like the satisfaction of coming up with some elegant, tight construct where not a byte or cycle is wasted. And there's a real economic incentive for that sort of optimization, too - I'm running my code on chips that cost $1.68 each, and doing things that my competitors might use a $6 ARM chip or $20 Java module for.

    5. Re:Plus one addressing by jd · · Score: 1
      Oh, I dunno about that. In this day and age, those kinds of skills are actually quite valuable. If you're looking in the right sectors. Look at the contortions ATLAS has to go through to optimize itself to different architectures and cache sizes. This couldn't be done at all if the maintainer wasn't in the borderlands of genius at hand-optimizing, as the optimized versions don't write themselves. The same is arguably true of compiler optimizations - you can't tell a computer how to do something you don't know how to do.

      What about pile-of-pc supercomputers? Each node HAS to be tightly coded - you just can't get away with high per-node overheads on such systems (which is one reason it is very hard to make such systems work well). Fast graphics (where the libraries, code, GUI and kitchen sink are all loaded into the GPU) is not trivial by any means, either.

      Yes, many people write in C. Some maths people still use Fortran, because the compilers have evolved for longer and so have better-understood optimizations. But if you want fast, you work in assembly or raw machine code. Compilers have improved enormously over the years and so have processors, but amazingly many programs are no faster now than they were in the 80s - or are even slower. Bloat has far surpassed the combined improvements in software and hardware.

      Even if you don't code in raw machine code, having the skill is what makes the difference between a coder that writes code people crave versus a coder that writes code people merely use.

      (For those who want to know what old-time machines were like to program, there are simulators for the Manchester Mk. 1 - a 40-bit system from the 1940s - and other early computers on various historic computer sites. Some of the Mk. 1 programs are amazing in their sophistication, given that there were a total of 7 instructions in the entire instruction set - and no add operator.)

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    6. Re:Plus one addressing by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      I find the most useful remnant of that skill is simply having a picture in my head of all the contortions it takes to get something done. I literally imagine bits flowing between programs and interrupts triggering other programs when I think of a web page loading. I know of far too many programmers who have no concept of what is involved in doing something and think that one line of code is just as fast (or slow) as another. The best they can do is understand that calls to their own subroutines do invoke all the subroutine's code, but they treat system calls (well, other than the obvious clunkers like file open) and library calls as incurring no time cost.

      I'd love to program 8 bit micros again. You can memorize their instructions usefully. Even the 68k and 68k10 were just a bit too fancy for easy memorization, what with all the different addressing modes. Once you throw in pipelines and caches, it gets way too complicated for any but the simplest loops.

    7. Re:Plus one addressing by Meski · · Score: 1

      Mmmm. 68HC705 - used to use that chip for damned near everything. Being able to remember all the opcodes and the time they'd take to execute was actually possible. Nearest I get to assembly now is MSIL :(

  23. So that's how Scotty did it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always wondered how he kept himself circulating in the Pattern Buffer for years and years.

  24. Informative? by 2008 · · Score: 1

    "c = 300,000Km/s (2sf)

    Does 100km in 1/3s"

    Nope, 100km takes 1/3 of a millisecond or 3x10^-4 seconds

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    1. Re:Informative? by simm1701 · · Score: 1

      I know I was thinking the same thing myself when I saw the moderation - see my reply to my own post :)

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  25. ... and a concrete example is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:... and a concrete example is... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Ok, but where is the story?

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  26. Power problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And like bubble memory, it is volatile, maybe? Meaning that when the first power failure comes along - there goes your data?

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  27. Tatoos by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    If you have a million monkeys tatooing a million geeks, you could achieve, ah, roughly 50k letters per second?

    Of course, there is the poo factor....

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  28. Victorian age technology by spineboy · · Score: 1

    William Gibson had made a remark about computers and the hard drive, and he was fascinated to learn that the hard drives had a moving platter. He then likened them to Victorian age record players.

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  29. Bubble poster... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Geez. Every 30 years, or so, everything old is new again. I'm getting tired of this constant repetition in life."

    Starving for novelty, are we? The basic idea(s) may be the same but technology and science has improved since then. You should be glad people are still trying otherwise you'd still be playing with a slide rule.

  30. You're funny! by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 1

    Subject line says it all....

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  31. Wow, Acustic Delay Memory on the nano-scale by Glomek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one reminded of Acoustic Delay Line Memory by this?

    1. Re:Wow, Acustic Delay Memory on the nano-scale by neminem · · Score: 1

      Nope, that's what I was thinking, as well.

  32. Polarized current? by pclminion · · Score: 1

    "Polarized current?" I simply can't stop laughing.

    1. Re:Polarized current? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's spin-polarized current, and it's the basis for any Spintronic device. You can stop laughing now.

  33. Analogous to Human Memory? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    IANAN (neurologist), so if any are here, please answer me this: is this sort of keep-sending-signals-around-in-loops method at all like how human memory works? I've often pondered what sort of physical mechanism human memory operates under, as (AFAICT) there's nothing like a hard disk platter or RAM chip or any other sort of fixed array of bits (or other units of data) in the brain; it's just a bunch of neurons firing.

    If there is such a similarity between this new technology and human memory, that might explain why I've got a nearly perfect audio memory (I can memorize rhythms and melodies, comedic timing, lines from movies, etc, and to a lesser extent spoken passages like lectures, quickly and easily) and also can never seem to get this damn music out of my head....

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    1. Re:Analogous to Human Memory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      is this sort of keep-sending-signals-around-in-loops method at all like how human memory works?

      Short-term memory uses some sort of an active feedback process. It has to change quickly and easily, so it has no choice. I suspect itinvolves a static latch rather than a loop, but you never know, there are lots of unexplained oscillations in the brain. Unfortunately it uses a lot of neurons so you don't get much of it, and tends to lose information quickly.

      Long-term memory works by chemically altering proteins at synapses.

      In the last year or so there was a paper about learning in rats. The scientists wired a few electrodes up to individual nerves in the rat's brain, then ran it through a maze and watched the nerves pulse. Afterwards they happened to leave the machine running and were astonished to see the same sequence of pulses as when the rat went through the maze, but replayed backwards.

  34. Ah, memories... by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I was working on the development of DEC's DHU-11 at their Acre Rd., Reading, UK plant, we had this real comedian on staff.

    One day, when the first protoype of the DHU-11 (we're talking wire-wrap here) was to be demoed, he rigged up a little plastic pipe that ran from the backplane of the PDP 11/24 holding the prototype to a place just out of sight of the various higher-up mucky-mucks who were receiving the demo.

    Right after the machine was fired up, he took a big drag on his cigarette and blew into the pipe. Smoke out of backplance, widespread panic in lab. I mean, we all know that ICs become useless after the magic smoke is released, and we were using some of the first 8751s Intel ever made.

    After we staked him out over an ant hill, we went off for pints at the Swan at Streatley.

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  35. Links by dlenmn · · Score: 1
    Indeed, it does sound very much like bubble memory, and it's predecessor, Twistor Memory:

    Twistor memory was based on magnetostriction, an effect which can be used to move magnetic fields. If you place a pattern on a medium (for instance, magnetic tape) and then pass a current through the tape, the patterns will slowly be "pushed" down the tape while the patterns themselves will remain unchanged. By placing a detector at some point over the tape, the fields will pass under it in turn without any physical motion. In effect it is a non-moving version of a single track from a drum memory. In the 1960s AT&T had used Twistor in a number of applications. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_memory See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twistor_memory
  36. non-volitile by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

    I would hope if it was volitile, that nobdy would be stupid enough to publish an article suggesting it for use by hard drives. Odds are strong that it is non-volitile. This is especially true if the quote from IBM is acurate: "According to IBM, this type of magnetic memory could vastly simplify computers, and eventually replace all hard-disk drives."

    On the other hand, more idiotic things have been done in the past.

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  37. Racetrack? by PPH · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Are we talking Gand Prix, Baja 1000 or stock car?

    At least it'll make a crash a lot more fun to watch.

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  38. Old news by bughouse26 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's scary is the story appeared in the Economist a week and a half before it appeared on slashdot.

  39. Bubble wrap memory would own! by aliquis · · Score: 1

    lol, bubble WRAP plastic memory would be the shit! Just break the bubbles for all zeros, for each memory update just replace the sheet of bubble wrap and break all the appropriate bubbles again :D

    1. Re:Bubble wrap memory would own! by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      lol, bubble WRAP plastic memory would be the shit! Just break the bubbles for all zeros, for each memory update just replace the sheet of bubble wrap and break all the appropriate bubbles again :D I don't think that you've thought your clever plan all the way through; is there anyone strong-willed enough to resist popping bubble wrap? Imagine a student getting back to their dorm only to find that their roommate has popped all the bubbles on their final dissertation...
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  40. NOT mercury-acoustic, bubble or core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but Twistor memory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twistor_memory seems to be the concepttual predecessor, if not the ancestor, of this tech. Also, see http://www.eetimes.com/special/special_issues/mill ennium/milestones/bobeck.html an overview of bubble memory which also describes the "might have been" twistor tech.