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Security Metrics

Ben Rothke writes "The goal of security metrics is to replace fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) with a more formalized and meaningful system of measurement. The FUD factor is the very foundation upon which much of information security is built, and the outcome is decades of meaningless statistics and racks of snake oil products. Let's hope that Andrew Jaquith succeeds, but in doing so, he is getting in the way of many security hardware and software vendors whose revenue streams are built on FUD." Read below for the rest of Ben's review. Security Metrics: Replacing Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt author Andrew Jaquith pages 336 publisher Addison-Wesley rating 10 reviewer Ben Rothke ISBN 0321349989 summary Authoritative text on information security metrics

One could write a book on how FUD sells security products. One of the most memorable incidents was in 1992 when John McAfee created widespread panic about the impending Michelangelo virus. The media was all over him as he was selling solutions for the five million PCs worldwide he said would be affected. The end result is that the Michelangelo virus was a non-event. Nonetheless, it was far from the last time that FUD was used to sell security.

The allure of FUD is that companies can spend huge amounts of money fighting nebulous digital adversaries and feel good about it. They can then put all of that fancy hardware in dedicated racks in their data center, impressing the auditors with the flashing lights giving off an aroma of security and compliance.

And that is the chaos that security metrics comes to solve. Security metrics, if done right, can help transform a company from a nebulous perspective on security to an effective one based on formal security risk metrics.

Security Metrics is a fabulous book that should be in the hands of every security professional. The book demonstrates that companies must establish metrics based on their unique requirements, as opposed to simply basing their requirements on imprecise industry polls, best-practices and other ill-defined methods.

So why don't companies do that in the first place? If security metrics can provide even a quarter of the benefits that Jaquith states, companies should run to implement them. Real security metrics require an organization to open up their security hood and dig deep into the engine that runs their security infrastructure. It necessitates understanding the internal requirements, unique organizational risks, myriad strengths and weaknesses, and much more. Very few companies are willing to dedicate the time and resources for that, and would rather build their security infrastructure on thick layers of FUD. History has shown that the security appliance of the month almost always beats a formal risk and needs assessment.

Chapter 1 lays out the problem with approaches that most companies take to risk management. The main problem is that traditional risk management is far too dependant on identification and fixing, as opposed to quantification and triage based on value. Quantifying and valuing risk is much more difficult than simply identifying, since the software tools used do not have an organization context or knowledge of the specific business domain.

Chapter 2 sets out the foundation of security metrics. The goal of these metrics are to provide a framework in which organizations can quantify the likelihood of danger, estimate the extent of possible damage, understand the performance of their security organizations and weigh the costs of security safeguards against their expected effectiveness.

The time has come for security metrics since information security is one of the few management disciplines that have yet to submit itself to serious analytical scrutiny. The various chapters provide many different metrics that can be immediately used in most organizations to address that.

The author defines various criteria for what makes a good metric. One of his pet peeves is the use of the traffic light as a metaphor for compliance. Jaquith feels that traffic lights are not metrics at all, since they don't contain a unit of measure or are a numerical scale. He suggests using traffic lights colors sparingly, and only to supplement numerical data or draw attention to outliers. He astutely notes that if your data contains more precision than three simple gradations, why dilute their value by obscuring them with a traffic light.

The chapter concludes on what makes a bad metric, defined as any metric that relies too much on the judgment of a person. These metrics can't be relied on since the results can't be guaranteed to be the same from person to person. Also, security frameworks such as ISO-17799 should not be used for metrics. The book also tackles the sacred cow of risk management, namely ALE (annualized loss expectancy), and how it is significantly misused and misunderstood in the industry.

The book states that in developing metrics, there must be formal collaboration between the business units and the security staff. This collaboration serves to increase awareness and acceptance of security. In addition, it ensures that security requirements are incorporated into the lifecycle early on. This is needed as business units generally have no clue as to what the needed security requirements are.

Chapter 5 is a short course on analysis techniques and statistics. The author quotes George Colony who stated that "any idiot can tell you what something is. It is much harder to say what that thing means". With that, the book details a number of techniques for analyzing security data (average, median, time series, etc.) and how each one should be used.

Chapter 6 is about visualization and notes that most information security professionals have no real idea how to show security, both literally and figuratively. Part of the problem is that security is proliferated with esoteric terminology and concepts, and the lack of understanding risk management amongst the masses. Part of the reason for this difficulty in sharing the security message with management is that many security practitioners lack simple metaphors for communicating priorities. This is compounded by the fact that the message is often focused exclusively on technical security issues, as opposed to the underlying business issues, which is was management is concerned with. The chapter is invaluable as it weans one off the malevolent pie chart and traffic light PowerPoint presentation.

Marcus Ranum notes that people seem to want to treat computer security like its rocket science or black magic. In fact, computer security is nothing but attention to detail and good design. FUD is all about emphasizing the black magic aspect of hackers and other rogue threats. Metrics are all about the attention to detail that FUD lives to obfuscate.

Security Metrics: Replacing Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt is one of the more important security books of the last few years. Jaquith turns much of the common security wisdom on its head, and the world will be a better place for it. Security metrics are a necessity whose time has come and this invaluable book shows how it can be done.

Ben Rothke, CISSP is a security consultant with BT INS and the author of Computer Security: 20 Things Every Employee Should Know.

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35 comments

  1. Ive got the security tool you need by packetmon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Guaranteed to protect your investments from intruders no ifs ands or butts

    1. Re:Ive got the security tool you need by Z0mb1eman · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I think intruders can still use this exploit.

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    2. Re:Ive got the security tool you need by pytheron · · Score: 1

      A Defence against that attack vector already exists for the savvy !

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    3. Re:Ive got the security tool you need by runexe · · Score: 1

      Awww, what a cute l'il puppy. Want some steak? Mmmmmmm... steak. Good puppy.

    4. Re:Ive got the security tool you need by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Heard of wireless?

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    5. Re:Ive got the security tool you need by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Heard of wireless?

      Wireless communications, yes, but there's going to be cables supplying power if not externally, at least internally.

      Snip snip: not just for babies anymore.

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    6. Re:Ive got the security tool you need by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Well, if you use the wire cutters for security, they could also bypass it with this tool, although it does take substantially longer than the "securing" process.

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  2. zzzzZZZZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Marge, change the channel.

  3. ISO to the rescue (somewhere in the future) ? by yorugua · · Score: 5, Informative

    ISO 27004 is supposed to deal with security metrics/management measurement when it is published. It belongs to the same familiy of security standards as ISO 17799 and 27001.

    About ISO 27004: "The scope is to "provide guidance on the specification and use of measurement techniques for providing assurance as regards the effectiveness of information security management systems. It is intended to be applicable to a wide range of organisations with a correspondingly wide range of information security management systems. [It] provides guidance for measurement procedures and techniques to determine the effectiveness of information security controls and information security processes applied in an ISMS. The purpose of the Information security management measurements development and implementation process, defined in this Standard is to create a base for each organization to collect, analyse, and communicate data related to ISMS processes. This data is ultimately to be used to base ISMS-related decisions and to improve implementation of an ISMS."

    Also, NIST has also something to add to the issue of security metrics in SP800-55. A few links:

    http://www.iso27001security.com/html/iso27004.html

    http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-55/ sp800-55.pdf

    1. Re:ISO to the rescue (somewhere in the future) ? by jimicus · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If it's anything like the British Standard (BS7799, IIRC) which is supposed to do the same thing, it will do nothing of the sort, mainly because these standards are all too often used as a box-ticking exercise.

      A little example for you:

      A few years ago, I used to work for a large UK company. My manager, conscious that information security is something which you have to take seriously these days, commissioned a consultant to come in and write up a security policy which would comply with the British Standard.

      The consultant came in for a while, and in due course produced a document which was generally criticised for being extremely vague, but my manager brushed this off. As far as he was concerned, we needed a piece of paper which complied with the British Standard. This was such a piece of paper, so he was happy.

      However, seeing as I was tasked with looking over the paper, I asked my manager a question. "This British Standard it complies with. Have you read the standard itself?"

      No, he hadn't. He hadn't even looked into the cost of buying a copy of it, thinking it would be "too expensive" (yet he was prepared to pay a consultant to come in and write the policy - go figure). So I went to a library and had a look at a copy of the British Standard.

      I'm paraphrasing here because this was a few years ago. But, broadly speaking, it said:

      Every company has different needs and different systems. Therefore, it's not possible to write a generic standard. However, this standard lists the sort of things that a company writing a security policy should consider (emphasis mine).

      This was followed by several pages of very vague descriptions of the sorts of things which should be included - things like segregated access, password expiration and re-use policies and all sorts of other stuff besides - which, by an amazing and spooky coincidence, were practically identical to the policy which we'd paid the consultant for. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the consultant retyped the British Standard almost verbatim, leaving out the bit about how "it's not possible to write a generic standard".
    2. Re:ISO to the rescue (somewhere in the future) ? by yorugua · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's anything like the British Standard (BS7799, IIRC) which is supposed to do the same thing, it will do nothing of the sort, mainly because these standards are all too often used as a box-ticking exercise.
      Well, ISO 17799 (or more precisely ISO 17799:2005) is the "second generation" BS7799-1 (there's also BS-7799-2, which is the standard your organization might certify). The original ISO 17799:2000 (IIRC) was more or less the same as BS7799-1. ISO 17799:2005 has a lot of stuff rewritten, and also a Security Incident Management portion (which you could find on ISO 18044, which still is much more detailed). ISO 18044 has even "forms" for incident management, so it is not a box-ticking excersise. About ISO 27004: today it is still a draft, so, it being circulated for people to review and give feedback upon. I was able to get a copy of the draft. Good thing is, we should be able to help to not make it a box-ticking excersice. More to the point of what you said. ISO 17799 are a set of broad recommendations, so yes, it list a whole list of things an organization should be looking at when dealing with security. For example PCI-DSS, the VISA/MC/Other security standards is less vague and more to the point (the asset is defined: the credit-card holder information, and how it should be protected), but in ISO 17799, there's no specific asset to be protected, so the recommendations are more general in nature. We have done work in customers on security, and we have implemented security in different organizations. To get a picture, some of them might be banks, others a pharmaceutical company. So, requirements, risks, assets, regulations might be different for said organizations. In both scenarios, ISO 17799 might be used to create the security management system they need anyway. I don't know if in your case the consultant built, supports or is performing the administration of your ISMS. In that case, I'd say you should have something more than just a report on compliance/non-compliance.
    3. Re:ISO to the rescue (somewhere in the future) ? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      We didn't even get a report on compliance or otherwise. The contractor was hired to write a security policy which complied with the British Standard - AFAICT, he did so by the simple expedient of copying the standard word for word except for the bit about "there's no such thing as a generic standard".

  4. You're using the term FUD incorrectly by mykdavies · · Score: 4, Informative

    FUD is all about emphasizing the black magic aspect of hackers and other rogue threats. No it isn't. FUD is spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt about your *competitors* in the minds of their (and your) existing and potential customers.

    'Defined by Gene Amdahl after he left IBM to found his own company: "FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering [Amdahl] products." The idea, of course, was to persuade them to go with safe IBM gear rather than with competitors' equipment. This implicit coercion was traditionally accomplished by promising that Good Things would happen to people who stuck with IBM, but Dark Shadows loomed over the future of competitors' equipment or software. See IBM. After 1990 the term FUD was associated increasingly frequently with Microsoft, and has become generalized to refer to any kind of disinformation used as a competitive weapon.' From the Jargon file at http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/FUD.html
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    1. Re:You're using the term FUD incorrectly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Please explain how security companies talking shit about how hackers can get in your systems unless you use their IPS rig isn't called "fear, uncertainty and doubt"?

      Wouldn't this qualify as - and I quote your Jargon file - "disinformation used as a competitive weapon"?

      How about you put the usage of FUD in context, rather than compusilvely belching some google'd historical data about the term for your karma's sake? Excuse me, but this is classic Slashdot crappy behavior.

      Security companies are spreading FUD - all of their marketing is centered around - and I quote the author - emphasizing the black magic aspect of hackers and other rogue threats. If they can get you to have the slightest fear/uncertainty/doubt about your security posture, they have a chance of selling their products. If they told you that a quick risk analysis of your environment reveals that protecting it isn't worth 30k of IPS they wouldn't sell their products.

      Rather, they tell you that the very best hackers have ways around those measures, that Microsoft products have security flaws revealed on a daily basis, and that security incidents will cost you a fortune and ruin your reputation. You get to either believe their FUD and buy their lemons, or know better.

      There aren't tons of different ways to sell security products aside from FUD - you are basically selling protection against unknown threats that might/could/have a chance to occur. And thus FUD. Information security is there in case someone decides to be malevolent or something decides to break or etc... Security products are insurance policies - you put them in place to lower your risk / reassure yourself / alleviate your fears / be more certain about yourself.

    2. Re:You're using the term FUD incorrectly by skiflyer · · Score: 1

      And it's morphed into a new meaning, update the jargon file. It now means baseless fear uncertainty and doubt, simple as that.

  5. Watch out for Elmer Fud! by jollyreaper · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Be vewwwy vewwwy quiet, I'm spweading fud.

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  6. Quantification != Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just a process in order to 'quanitify' the FUD, in terms of numbers people can better understand.

    It's essentially saying, project X is 10% more secure than project Y.

    What are the metrics?, what is the basis used for comparison?

    Project X has 10% less bugs, but of what type?
    What is the weight of a bug?
    Do 'root access' bugs have a higher weight?
    What's the scale?

    Anyone who has ever done ANY benchmarking, etc, knows all about the ratio games that can be played in this field.

    It's the same FUD, repackaged with numbers.

  7. Amdahl, the man who dared to take on IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amdahl, the man who dared to take on IBM. His story is interesting.

    He worked for IBM as a hardware designer, but spotted a way of improving the performance of the flagship System/360 CPU, by moving from microcode to hardwired control. When he formed his own business to manufacture S/360 compatible CPUs, which were faster, smaller and lower cost, IBM moved to neutralise the threat by spreading FUD. Specifically, they announced extensions to the S/360 instruction set, which were to be used by all new software, but would not be announced until the release of the next S/360 CPU (the IBM 3033). Amdahl's machines would not support these new instructions, so anyone who chose to buy Amdahl rather than IBM was risking his job. What if critical business software did not work on the Amdahl CPU?

    Amdahl's business struggled against this FUD. Amdahl could not support the new instructions until he (a) knew what they did, and (b) could manufacture new CPUs. This would take several years, and drove away customers. This was very unfortunate, since his technology remained superior to S/360 for several years. But IBM was the Microsoft of the 1970s, and mercilessly crushing the competition was just a part of good business. References.

    The only thing that confuses me about this story is a simple question: why didn't Amdahl give his CPU an extensible instruction set? Unknown opcodes like the IBM 3033 extensions could trigger the execution of emulation software in EPROM, which would provide support for the new instructions. Amdahl could just send out new firmware ROMs to customers that needed them to enable support. It wouldn't be as fast as native support in microcode, but it would work.

  8. ISECOM's RAV and CIOview's SecurityNOW? by thelordx · · Score: 1

    I didn't see anything in the note about Risk Assessment Values from isecom.org, which is the foremost methodology for determining risk based on factual evidence of an infrastructure, as well as the other elements of one's security presence (physical, social, etc.). SecurityNOW! from CIOview (www.cioview.com) integrates this idea into a powerful tool in which one can assess IT investments based expected loss, and measure ROI.

    Of course, I'm biased being a volunteer at ISECOM, but I still think these are important to bring up in any Security Metrics conversation.

    1. Re:ISECOM's RAV and CIOview's SecurityNOW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >SecurityNOW! from CIOview (www.cioview.com) integrates this idea into a powerful tool in which one can assess IT investments based expected loss, and measure ROI.

      I just finished reading the book. The book does cover some ROI and expect loss formulas. The author builds an argument of why these formulas are currently not helpful. He poses some rules for metrics, they need to be "consistently measured", "cheap to gather", "using at least one unit of measure/expressed as a number or percentage". Then when he examines Annualized Loss Expectancy (ALE), he points out three problems with it.

      1) difficulty in modeling outliners
      2) lack of data for estimating probabilities of occurance
      3) sensitivity to small changes in assumptions

      Hence it become expensive to gather and can not be measured consistently. He also walks the reader through an ALE case to show why it is bad in his opinion. Then he states "...the real reason I dislike ALE is because its continued use distracts us from discussing practical alternatives.

  9. The supposed non-event by mamono · · Score: 3, Informative

    "One of the most memorable incidents was in 1992 when John McAfee created widespread panic about the impending Michelangelo virus. The media was all over him as he was selling solutions for the five million PCs worldwide he said would be affected. The end result is that the Michelangelo virus was a non-event." That statement is in and of itself FUD. Everyone talks about how events like Y2K, the aforementioned Michelangelo, etc. were all hype. They claim that since nothing happened that the entire issue was a farce. Do these people stop to think that it became a non-issue because of all the "FUD" and measures taken to prevent it? What would have happened if we would have decided not to do anything about Y2K since the whole problem was perceived and not proven? We very well could have ended up with the (some of) disasters that the fear-mongers were spreading. The same thing with the Michelangelo virus. They say that John McAfee just used the virus to sell products. Well, if everyone looked at it that way and decided it wasn't worth doing anything about then there would have been a lot of lost data on Michelangelo's birthday. I'm not justifying the use of FUD for profit, especially that made by snake oil. I'm just saying that claiming something is a non-issue because people took the necessary steps to prevent it doesn't mean that there was not a legitimate concern.

  10. Coming soon to /. by thegnu · · Score: 1

    Could Security Metrics Destroy the Internet?!
    Posted by FUD on Thursday, May 17, @07:12AM

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  11. bogosity quotient of ISECOM's RAV? by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 2, Informative

    The ISECOM's RAV is currently a 3 page PDF file, nicely formatted and impressive looking with complicated looking formulas that would surely snow a typical manager with too many problems and not enough people or time. Unfortunately, the actual information content in the PDF is close to zero. ISECOM's RAV appears to be a formula based on variables that are not well defined, or which could be "quantified" in basically any way required to improve one's chances of securing a bid or justifying any project, and doesn't appear to offer much guidance for how to approach risk assessment in a more objective manner.

    This is the same type of formula that some consulting organizations use to "quantify" things that really are not easily quantifiable. Their purpose in doing so is typically to shut down dissenting voices within a customer's organization (they gamble that the dissenting voices are not given the same budget with which to demonstrate their counter claims, and they are usually right.)

    My criticism falls into a category known as the "Barry Commoner" criticism of quantitative Risk Assessment at the Wikipedia page.

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  12. Hamster Wheels of Pain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  13. Note from the author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Hi everybody,

    First off, Ben -- thanks for the kind words. Glad to hear that you liked the book, and of course I am happy to see it slashdotted. :)

    Second -- some of the comments have really focused on what the book ISN'T about -- fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Ben's done a good job talking about what the book IS about, but as the author I thought I'd add a quick comment about the goals of the book. Adapted from chapter one:

    Goals of Security Metrics

    The primary objective of this book is to quantitatively analyze digital security activities. The book suggest ways for using numbers to illuminate the security activities of an organization:

    • Measuring security: how to put numbers around activities that have traditionally been considered difficult to measure
    • Analyzing data: what kinds of sources of security data exist, and how you can put them to work for you
    • Telling a story: what techniques marshal empirical evidence into a coherent set of messages

    The need for a book like this seems plain to me. Security is one of the few areas of management that does not possess a well-understood canon of techniques for measurement. In logistics, for example, metrics like "freight cost per mile" and "inventory warehouse turns" help operators understand how efficiently trucking fleets and warehouses run. In finance, "value at risk" techniques calculate the amount of money a firm could lose on a given day based on historical pricing volatilities. By contrast, in security... there is exactly nothing. No consensus on key indicators for security exists.

    The lack of consensus on security metrics is, in part, due to the fact that the culture surrounding security is largely one of shame. Firms that get hacked tend not to talk about security incidents in public. Likewise, firms that are doing the right things tend not to talk either, lest giant red bulls'-eyes appear on their firewall's flanks. When they do talk, it is typically under NDA, or at small gatherings of like-minded people. Therefore, the book, as a secondary objective, documents effective practices of firms that have take the responsibility of measuring their security activities seriously.

    Non-goals of Security Metrics

    The dearth of generally accepted security metrics often means that unscrupulous vendors manufacture blood-curdling statistics in a vacuum, devoid of context and designed to scare. Middle managers with agendas promptly recycle these metrics for their own purposes. Therefore, the book is not about:

    • Budget justification: How to convince your boss to spend money on security. If your company hasn't already figured out that it needs to spend money on security, it likely has deeper problems that just a lack of statistics
    • FUD: how to abuse or misrepresent data, for the purpose of manufacturing security scare stories. I derive no pleasure from this; it makes me feel cheap and dirty
    • Funny money: any and all topics relating to "return on security investment." In addition to its dubious merit as a measure of security effectiveness, ROSI (as it is sometimes known) is a needless distraction from empirical security measurement.

    Of course, because every good deed goes unpunished, it is entirely likely that this book will be used for those purposes regardless. But that, as a student of security analysis might say, is a risk worth bearing.

    Audience

    I wrote this book for two distinct audiences: security practitioners, and the bosses they report to. Practitioners need to know how, what, and when to measure. Their bosses need to know what to expect. Not for nothing has the security domain resisted measurement. As the bedraggled security manager of a household-name financial services firm recently told me, "my boss doesn't understand what I do every day. All he understands are numbers." Bridging the yawning gap between practitioners and management i

    1. Re:Note from the author by katamerry_damatree · · Score: 1

      It is seriously cool of you to comment. May you be modded up. :)

  14. great book! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am 2 chapters into this book. So far it is fantastic. Most good books point out the obvious in a really good way. This was a long time coming and is very obvious, but the point is that it is told in a good way. Everyone knew this was the way things were headed but didn't know how to get the words from their mouth hold.

    The "old" @stakers still gots it.

  15. You're actually right, its not FUD by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

    They are just spreading 'F' for Fear. After all if you run MicroSoft and then live in 'F'ear, then 'U'ndoubtedly you are very 'C'ertain they are out there trying to infect your machine and they will 'S'ucceed 'U'sually (MS-FUCSU?). Well the only thing left from the original 'FUD' is the 'F' for Fear, but after all they are 'the experts' aren't they? I really must lay off the Secure Operating Systems (SOS) at work and Start Listening to those Important Experts! (SLIE)

  16. worth a look by aynecoleman · · Score: 0, Troll

    worth a look Software Download http://www.usdownload.net/

  17. Protection against WHAT? by solaraddict · · Score: 1

    Protection from intruders? Sounds good. Protection from "no","ifs","ands" and "or" I do not need. Protection from butts? Hmmmm...depends on the type of butt, obviously.

  18. Won't be buying this - contains FUDge by oldbamboo · · Score: 0

    All assessments of IT controls today are, and should, be based upon a risk based approach. My understanding is that this is a dialogue where the business objectives are outlined and any threat to their successful acheivement are identified and countered through the implementation of measured controls. This is a continual process and forms the backbone of security management. I read the review hopeful that it would indicate that this book offers something new and valuable in the area of quantitative assessment of security risks. "Trashing" ALE is not exactly hard, most shops I've been in don't use quant risk analysis but use qualitative risk analysis, which for better or worse let's us all formally agree and tackle what are frequently blindingly obvious threats in an efficient manner. This allows for the input of the professionals, managers, etc who have a responsibility for and clear idea of the risks to their systems, while allowing for the oversight of security / controls professionals who can winkle out the risks that the business and it's support functions may be either not willing to admit to, or simply ignorant of. My main issue with the authors post is the following quotation about Risk Management: "...simply a vendor excuse about how products help you "manage" risk by serially enumerating and eliminating defects without helping companies understand whether it makes any difference whatsoever." You can't say that. It isn't true, and the briefest of alternate suggestions would be appropriate if you're going to be 'controversial'?... Risk management should and normally is a well defined form of dialogue between the business and the controls staff, whether IT audit, or security experts. While it is true that this oftentimes uses checklists, standards, best practices and assorted generic frameworks as a means of substantiating an approach, it clearly does not preclude but actually enables meaningful debate on the issues the business faces. Having worked in IT security as a penetration tester, an IT auditer, and governance and compliance manager, I find the comment to be either misguided or purposefully disengenous about the nature of the process at work, and if you cant't get the Risk assessment side of things right (which is not really too hard) then it's time for everyone to pack up and go home. This book seems to be playing the same game the reviewer is so concerned with; the propogation of FUD. The only difference here appears to be that we aren't talking firewalls, but governance processes, and the author appears ill-equipped to comment on them...

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