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US Gasoline Prices Spur Telework

coondoggie writes "The price of gasoline may finally be changing the way many people commute and communicate. Anecdotal evidence says teleworkers are growing rapidly as a direct result of the cost of driving. The article links a survey indicating that in Q1 2007 the 19 largest US cable and telephone providers (representing about 94% of the market) acquired over 2.9 million net additional high-speed Internet subscribers, to a total of about 56.2 million. That can be attributed in part to more employees taking advantage of telework programs, experts say. Just this week the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust task force opened the first of a series of hearings on the oil industry. Its chairman noted that gasoline prices have soared well above $3 a gallon and asked, 'How did we get into this mess?'"

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  1. How? by dj245 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Urban sprawl, SUV's, and lack of MPG targets for manufacturers. Average MPG hasn't changed much since the 70's. I also haven't noticed any change in peoples driving habits. People still tailgate, race to the next light (even though it is red) etc. I guess they have money to burn.

    There is no good fix for the sprawl. The other two are at least somewhat addressable by some means of legislation or industry curtailing.

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    1. Re:How? by thule · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget there has not been any refineries built in 30 years, even though there has been more types of gas that the states have required. Don't forget that not only has our demand for oil continued to grow, but the world demand has also continued to grow.

    2. Re:How? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

      lack of MPG targets for manufacturers
      The other two are at least somewhat addressable by some means of legislation or industry curtailing.

      A more sane way of solving the problem is to have the consumer pay the true cost of energy. Does the gasoline you buy require us to import from unstable governments, resulting in a higher defense bill when we are in more conflicts over it? Put a tax on gas to foot the bill. Does gasoline hurt the environment? Put a tax on it to cover the cost.

      Worried about tax payer backlash? Give out a refund check to cover the average cost. Those who buy the fuel efficient car or choose not to live an hour from work will make a killing. Those who don't will get killed. I bet you'd see habits change REAL quick.

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    3. Re:How? by Metasquares · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's to maintain the perception of control. Despite the fact that 99% of the work I do can be done remotely and I am more productive when I don't need to travel 3 hours per day to and from my school, my advisor still insists that I show up at the lab routinely "so he can communicate with me if he needs to"... not that he does unless I specifically schedule a time to meet with him.

    4. Re:How? by j79zlr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obviously it is less expensive to refine it here. Market dictates. Thats the whole point. The environmental restrictions in place make it impossible to build a new refinery, but that doesn't help the environment. The fact that 30+ year old refineries are allowed to continue production under inefficient and environmentally unfriendly practices which cost us instead of building newer, more efficient refineries, that produce less harmful contaminants and more gasoline because they aren't grandfathered in, is ridiculous.

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    5. Re:How? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's happening to the tax money we're already paying? It's not connected to the amount of petrol you consume. There is no incentive to cut usage if you are paying a flat rate. Worse, a lot of the cost of using petrol isn't even being paid at the moment, it's being deferred. Which would be more likely to make you consume less petrol:
      1. Having it cost twice as much at the pump, or
      2. Having the cost of the increase added to your other taxes?
      If petrol cost the same in the USA as it does in much of the rest of the world (well over $5/gallon), then you would almost certainly see a drop in demand.
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    6. Re:How? by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because realistically the federal government should only be involved in those things that nearly everyone agrees it should be involved in, otherwise leave it up to local That was the thought behind the 9th and 10th Amendments which sought to limit the rights and powers of the federal government to a small, and explicit, set of duties and, in doing so, prevent the runaway abuse of government by the established gentry such as they had in England.

      We're so far away from that now that nothing short of a revolution of monumental proportions could ever set the record straight.
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    7. Re:How? by drsquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't we already?
      No, you pay a token amount of tax. The amount you pay doesn't come close to the true costs of that oil. Take the costs of the defence budget for the middle east, plus the cost of the environmental damage from the gas being used in America, and divide that by the amount of gas sold in America in gallons, and you have the amount you need to tax gas per gallon. Then oil would pay for itself.
  2. I've been riding my bike by geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I always preferred walking or riding but the gas prices are what finally drove me over the edge. I live in CA and it's pushing 4$ a gallon right now, in some places it's gone over 4. So I just ride my bike, everything I need is in riding distance. If I do have to go further I have my car, which is a rather fuel efficient Saturn. I think I've put all of 60$ in the tank this year total. To me that's how it should be.

    I blame a lot of the fuel efficiency problems on city planers. The layouts of our cities are really bad for fuel economy, especially place like San Francisco and Los Angeles. California also suffers badly from a lack of a good public transit system. We have buses but it's not good enough.

    Part of the problem is also social. People want their big tanks (Hummer, Suburban etc) because they feel safe in them. For whatever reason people equate size with safety even though it's not the actual case.

  3. Congress! by MBCook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How did we get into this mess?

    Congress!

    Let's see what congress HASN'T done...

    • Made it easier to construct refineries to avoid the problems right after Katrina
    • Allow drilling in ANOIR
    • Allow drilling off the continental shelf in the gulf
    • Set federal gasoline standards so gas could be used anywhere, instead of each state requiring different blends and ruining some of the economy of scale we could have
    • Raise CAFE standards more than once ever 20 years, and then only by like 3 gallons. Every car should be getting 30+ at this point, every truck/SUV 20. We can do it.
    • Use Iraqi oil for reconstruction and running our equipment. In a rush to avoid looking like the war (which I support) was for oil (which everyone thought anyway) we've wasted tons of money and oil that could be shipped to the US, the savings put towards gas tax reductions or rebates, etc.
    • Working to make diesel more common here now that we have relatively clean and efficient diesels. Europe has them. We should too.

    What, exactly HAS congress done to lower gas prices? Ethanol subsidies? Hydrogen research? Those haven't done much, have they? I remember 7 years ago when I saw a station out of town with gas for 99 cents a gallon. I'd be very surprised to find a station right now in my area at triple that. Ok, I know, they passed tax rebates when you buy a hybrid. But they passed them when hybrids were very hard to get and the expire this year as hybrids are getting easier to get. Oops.

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  4. We were warned. by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How did we get into this mess?
    We were given a whack in the head about thirty years ago. We got up, dusted ourselves off and carried on as if nothing had happened.

  5. Gas Price in Europe is $10 Per Gallon by reporter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Gas prices in the USA are not particularly high -- even at $3.50 per gallon. Gas in Europe costs $10 per gallon.

    Such high prices in Europe does not hurt the European standard of living because many Europeans use public transportation; bus and trains are relatively cheap to ride. In the USA, many Americans refuse to use public transportation due to class snobbery. In my neck of the woods, about 80% of the passengers on the bus is either impoverished Americans (from ghetto neighborhoods) or illegal aliens from Mexico. The occupancy of the buses is about 50% during most of the day. Meanwhile, the freeways are packed with late-model cars driven by the wealthier class.

    Frankly, even if gas prices increased to $10 per gallon in the USA, Americans would not necessarily experience a decline in their standard of living -- if they use public transportation. It is cheap although it may be slighly inconvenient because you must time your life according to the bus or train schedule.

    Note that American politicians never compare European gas prices to American gas prices. The politicians just tell Americans what they want to hear: "Gas at $3.50 is too expensive. We Americans are a sad, pathetic victim of the greedy oil companies. We should force them to lower gas prices back to $1.50 per gallon so we can enjoy your monster SUV."

    These are the same Americans who overwhelmingly supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    1. Re:Gas Price in Europe is $10 Per Gallon by notamisfit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, I don't think we've seen so much as a drop of oil out of Iraq. From what I've heard, China and Vietnam are the ones getting the contracts. Not that I really care; most of the Middle Eastern oilfields were illegally nationalized from US or British companies anyways. (If it wasn't for the West, they'd still be driving camels on top of the world's richest oil deposits.) That's the _really_ scary thing about Iraq; Bush honestly seems to believe that letting Iraq vote itself into another Islamic Republic is going to be the thing that brings peace and stability to the region.

      As for public transportation, it's feasible -- in the metropolitan areas. Out here in farm country, it's a lost cause (and the lower property taxes and intangibles like better schools probably make up for the extra money spent on fuel).

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    2. Re:Gas Price in Europe is $10 Per Gallon by epee1221 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the USA, many Americans refuse to use public transportation due to class snobbery.
      Did you ever see the public transport system in the US. I have. I can understand why people refuse to use it.
      Exactly. I don't avoid public transportation here because of snobbery. I avoid it because it is of low quality. With my car, I can roll out of bed at 8 and be at work before 8:30 minutes. If I had to take the bus, I would have to get up around 6:30, walk a mile and a half, get on one bus, ride to the middle of town, change buses (and hope everything's on schedule), ride out to work, and get there around 9. I would also likely have to get off work early in order to be able to take the bus back to where I got on (a mile and a half from home).
      On top of all that, once I already have a car, it's cheaper to use it drive myself to work than to pay for the bus fare. (It's about $3 for a day's driving, $4 for a day's busing -- $6 for the bus if I pay for each ride individually)
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    3. Re:Gas Price in Europe is $10 Per Gallon by EugeneK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One root cause, in this area at least, is idiotic zoning policy that makes it illegal for most people to live close to where they work.

      A good point; don't forget that the zoning policies are constantly being maintained by NIMBY homeowners who dread the consequences of higher density close to their neighborhoods, for example in Menlo Park recently, a plan to build high density housing near the Caltrain was shot down by the wealthy NIMBY homeowners who would like to preserve the suburban character of their neighborhoods.

  6. Positive change by Simon80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll support these outrageous gas prices if they're finally high enough to make people rethink their horribly inefficient daily commutes. I find it wrong that there is such a huge flow of cars going back and forth every single day.

  7. I love high gas prices! by fyrwurxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The higher prices reflect an imbalance between supply and demand"

    Yeah, and I'm sure your profit margin has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    As an environment-conscious individual, I relish higher gas prices. $3 a gallon? Why not $5 or $10? I truly believe hitting people in the wallet is the *only* way to incite change in habits as deeply-rooted as our gasoline addiction. People need to realize that carpooling, investing in very fuel-efficient vehicles (for example, I drive a manual transmission Saturn--I average 30mpg city) or looking toward hybrid/bio-diesel options is not just a fanciful dream but a necessary reality. Alternative fuel vehicles are a reality, but the only way we will leverage them into the mainstream is through the power of our collective consumer's almighty dollar (and pound, and yen... ;)

  8. Re:And the rest of the world asks... by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is tax on gasoline in the USA so ridiculously low?

    Because, unlike in Europe, our cities are new enough to have been (stupidly) designed for cars instead of people. Now we're screwed, and have to have artificially low prices on gas to compensate.

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  9. Re:How much do you all really spend on gas? by frogstar_robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It isn't just what we personally spend on gasoline. I've noticed prices on fresh produce and other things in the grocery store are up too. High fuel prices affect the price of everything. Almost everything in the store came by ship, truck, or train. That takes fuel and higher fuel costs are passed on to consumers. High fuel prices are costing you more than a 0.15% household budget increase. Some families have to do more driving than you do so the direct costs for others is higher as well. That means many people stay home more and spend less when they are out. That will ripple through the economy as well.

    This is a much larger issue than your monthly gasoline bill.

  10. Re:Make all public roads toll roads by DeadChobi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, if Americans had to pay for the roads they would be forced to quit their jobs or not eat. There is no public transportation for most of us. What we do have is slow, dirty, and doesn't go outside of urban areas. You've really only mastered one aspect of our economic dependence on the road system. A lot of us would turn to public transportation if only it existed. I would be happy to pay tax on it as a student. The problem is our government doesn't see what a wise investment it will be in a few years.

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  11. Re:Distance to drive USA vs Europe by drsquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Americans drive further, why do they choose less efficient cars? You'd think that if you're driving 100 miles to buy a newspaper you'd get the most efficient car possible.