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Microsoft, Sue Me First

corigo writes "Supporters of free and open source solutions have thrown down the gauntlet at Microsoft's feet. Christian Einfeldt of Digital Tipping Point says 'Sue Me First,' and he's not alone. More and more people are signing up and challenging Microsoft to put their lawyers where their mouth is. The open source community is far from running scared. Will Microsoft step up to the plate, or are they just continuing a scare campaign with no real ability to leverage the patents they claim open source is infringing?"

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  1. Not really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If MS had strong infringement claims, they would have named them years ago. The fact they're pulling a SCO-esque FUD campaign means that these supposed infringements are questionable at best, and can be challenged, at which point prior art will probably be found. If not, they can be coded around. In all cases, MS is pretty much spent once it's named these supposed infringements, which is why they won't do so publically. Their strategy is a combination of public FUD and private protection-money shakedowns. Calling their bluff is exactly the right thing to do.

    1. Re:Not really. by pete6677 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft isn't going to sue some open source hobbyist that doesn't really have much to sue for. They will sue if anyone, with open or closed source products, poses an actual threat to their monopoly. It would be impossible to build any type of new software without infringing on some of Microsoft patents. Whether or not they would be upheld in court is a different matter, but it would be enough to prevent a small group of programmers from threatening their cash flow.

  2. Why would they bother? by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They're getting one hell of a cartload of free publicity, just after the release of their new OS, and projects like the One Laptop Per Child (which runs Linux but does not run Windows) are dependent for survival on orders that have not yet been placed. Intel's legally-questionable pressure on OLPC at the same time as this FUD may be part of a cooperative effort to destroy serious competition in new markets. It wouldn't be the first Wintel effort to crush rivals with anti-competitive actions, if that is what it is.

    (I'm looking at OLTP, because that's a worldwide non-Microsoft venture that could seriously dent Microsoft revenue in growing markets and because it's the biggest event due any time soon. Microsoft's FUD is generally not random but very purposeful and has a specific goal in mind. There simply isn't another goal on a comparable scale on any kind of near-term timeframe.)

    There are a few other avenues that Linux could be doing well in, but Microsoft is growing faster in the server market despite inferior performance, reliability or security, and that's the only other area Linux and Microsoft have any serious rivalry at this time. Linux could be doing well on the desktop, but not while it is playing catch-up. It would have to invent a whole new metaphor before it could seriously threaten Microsoft in the home market.

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  3. Do not want! by DuranDuran · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft doesn't want to step up the plate - they don't want to solidify their claims. They want to create in the midns of existing and potential Microsoft products that Linux and assorted alternatives are too risky to switch towards. Patents this week, usability next week, compatability the week after. This is not a game about patents, this is a game of unobservable quality and obfuscating the quality determination process. "What if there really are problems with Linux? Maybe it isn't the good solution I've heard it is? Best to stick with Microsoft, the lemon/devil I know".

    This may sound like a troll, but it really is not: in my opinion, Linux enthusiasts crying, "sue me first!" creates in the mind of traditional business people the idea that such enthusiasts are risk-seeking. Not everyone wants to be associated with a risk-seeker.

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    1. Re:Do not want! by Volante3192 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This may sound like a troll, but it really is not: in my opinion, Linux enthusiasts crying, "sue me first!" creates in the mind of traditional business people the idea that such enthusiasts are risk-seeking. Not everyone wants to be associated with a risk-seeker.

      On the other hand, if Linux just sat back and let Microsoft dish out the patent threats, companies might not want to be associated with the threat of lawsuits. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, basically.

      At least this way, Linux is trying to head the FUD off at the pass, before real damage can be done. And if I was a decision maker, I'd view it as a mark of confidence in a product if they're willing to stand up to Microsoft.

  4. Obligatory quote... by Vexler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I AM SPARTACUS!!!"

    Let's see whether Microsoft runs out of cruciforms first or the Open Source community runs out of people first.

    It's on.

  5. I For One, Welcome Our New Linux Overlords! by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, I think this is great. People standing up and telling Microsoft to shove it.

    For too long Microsoft has bullied and intimidated. They have monopolized, stolen code (remember the Stacker lawsuit?), and tried to dominate the entire world. Sadly, they did pretty well at it.

    But now, Linux is, IMHO, ready for the general user and the common desktop. It doesn't require the skills that it once did thanks to Gnome and KDE. For most people, web browsing, reading e-mail, and processing word documents, spreadsheets, and presentations, Linux looks and feels pretty damn close to Windows - but has added enhancements, has better security, and is far cheaper to own.

    I'm sure these latest developments, with Dell offering Ubuntu, Vista being bad-mouthed by gamers and office users alike, and open sourcers far and wide mocking Microsoft and it's chair-throwing flunkie, Bill and company are just a wee tad worried.

  6. First they came for the ... by Fox_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First they came for the Hackers, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Hacker. Then they came for Novell, and I didn't speak up, because I don't use Novell. Then they came for the Linux Users, and I didn't speak up, because I was a Windows user. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

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    1. Re:First they came for the ... by wordsnyc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it's the Holocaust all over again.

      That's an offensively stupid comparison you've got there. Try a car analogy.

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  7. Re:let me be the first to say: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    fp btw!

    Whatever value your post may have had has just been completely negated.

  8. Another Idea: Sue Microsoft's Customers First by NZheretic · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If a business or government body is not taking due care with the private information they hold on the public which could lead to identity theft then they are at risk of being sued.

    1) Demand the business or government body to disclose copies of the anti virus logs for all of their desktops and laptops.
    2) Generate a list of all the malware that
    a) was cleaned up post infection ( the malware was actually executed and run ) AND
    b) exploited vulnerabilities in Microsoft applications and operating system prior to an update fix being made available by Microsoft.

    In comparison to MacOSX or Linux based desktop, Microsoft's desktop operating systems and Microsoft's desktop applications face a disproportionally higher risk of being "infected" with hostile malware. Just relying on third party Antivirus software to prop up a Microsoft flagging security record in no way puts you any closer to the level of security that a switch to another vendors desktop platform can provide. ( Just updating to Vista is no guarantee of better security in comparison to another vendors platform )

    A business or government body is not taking due care with the private information they hold on the public if they continue to use Microsoft desktop OS environments or Microsoft desktop applications. That is your credit card data, banking details , health care info and social security information. If switching to Linux or MacOSX based desktops would greatly reduce the risk of further intrusion why should not organizations be "encouraged" to make the move.

    If anyone's customers are at greater risk of being sued it is Microsoft's own customers that face the greatest risk.

  9. Ummm, wasn't Microsoft behind the SCO thing...? by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    SCO was Microsoft's sock puppet.

    a) SCO/Microsoft: "You're infringing, we're suing!!" ...SCO dies/fades into obscurity, people stop taking it seriously.

    b) Microsoft: "You're infringing, we're suing!!"

    Different singer, same song.

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  10. Microsoft's PR team is just awesome!! by christian.einfeldt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, dontcha just love the Microsoft PR machine!!! Here we are on Slashdot, talking about Microsoft's PR prowess, and Microsoft is kind enough to come along and give us a demonstration! On my screen, I am seeing advertisements for a kinder, gentler Microsoft, one that makes a donation to some unknown charity every time you use Microsoft IM. Oh, that's so sweet and cuddly! Just ignore those patent threats, boys and girls! We didn't mean any harm!

    This is exactly my point, and it's why I offered to have Microsoft sue me. Microsoft is doing an excellent job of PR, and we need to draw public attention to two basic facts: 1) Microsoft's patent claims are unmeritorious; and 2) Microsoft is making vague patent threats because self-censorship is cheaper and more powerful than filing patent infringement lawsuits that only work in the US, if they work at all.

    If you are not seeing the kinder, gentler IM donations on your screen, you can see them here on the Digital Tipping Point Flickr account, at least until Microsoft buys Yahoo, at which point you will see them only on our Google Picasa account:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/49947835@N00/50881358 7/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/49947835@N00/50881358 3/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/49947835@N00/50877703 8/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/49947835@N00/50878264 1/

    Note to Microsoft counsel Brad Smith, Esq.: If you need documentary proof for your trial against me that I use Ubuntu GNU Linux, you can use this screenshot, which I am hereby vouching is a true and accurate shot depicting my Edgy Ubuntu desktop which, coincidentally, I am using to produce the Digital Tipping Point film. Among other things, the DTP film will suggest that Microsoft, like RCA and IBM before it, is facing an "innovator's dilemma" that will disrupt its current monopolistic business model. The funny thing is that the same market forces that propelled Microsoft to hammer IBM is now going to help IBM return the favor, this time using GNU Linux and OpenOffice.org. But I guess you knew that already, Sir Brad, because that is why you have been filing patents. You once worked at IBM. You learned well. Here is that proof you will want if you ever do file a case against me:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/49947835@N00/50878264 1/

  11. Re:...hmm by Almahtar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the sixth person to sign up on that list, I'm not scared in the least if that was Microsoft's reaction. What would happen if Microsoft tried to sue us and won? Court precedent would be set giving them leverage to sue Google, Apple, HP, Sun, IBM, all the big dogs that are using open source software. The moment Microsoft tries to sue one or all of us, the above companies would step in for a few reasons: 1. They can nip this thing in the bud rather than letting harmful court precedent get set against them. 2. They get to look like the heroes of the little guy and make Microsoft look like a jackass bully in the process. GREAT PR. 3. Microsoft just plain doesn't have a case in this one. Easy win. This challenge can't lose. If Microsoft ignores it they're shown to be the liars and bluffers that they are. If Microsoft takes the bait they get smacked down publicly.