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The Drive For Altruism Is Hardwired

Dekortage writes "The Washington Post is reporting on recent neuroscience research indicating that the brain is pre-wired to enjoy altruism — placing the interests of others ahead of one's own. In studies, '[G]enerosity activated a primitive part of the brain that usually lights up in response to food or sex... Altruism, the experiment suggested, was not a superior moral faculty that suppresses basic selfish urges but rather was basic to the brain, hard-wired and pleasurable.' Such research 'has opened up a new window on what it means to be good,' although many philosophers over recorded history have suggested similar things."

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  1. Bit O' Trolling by AKAImBatman · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Apologies in advance for what is about to be a match to an evolution vs. creation flamewar, but I'm in a bit of a cheeky mood and feel like "getting some back" in this old argument.

    Specifically, I've been getting a bit tired of hearing the old "science disproves the existence of a higher being" B.S. that's constantly thrown around. I recall it starting with the baseless Human Genome Confirms Evolution (archive) story a few years back. The author of the article was quick to jump to the conclusion that finding fewer genes than expected *proved* that man must have evolved. (Too bad we never saw his formal proof of that. Would have been fascinating to see how well it stood up to scrutiny.)

    Now that's not to say that the theological side of the argument hasn't made some pretty dumb steps itself. e.g. Intelligent Design can't be a true scientific theory, because science can only deal with that which is inside our universe. If we are positing the existence of an extra-universal being who set the universe in motion, then science does not have the reach to make that determination. Science is restricted to the laws of the Universe in which we inhabit. It would be very poor form for a being who trancends time to be an inhabitant of a universe that would forcably constrain Him. Therefore "God" is a concept that must be dealt with in Theology, not the investigation of the laws of nature. (Even Newton was smart enough to know this!)

    However, this argument usually gets a "thinking logically, if X happened, is it not more likely that it was a natural occurance rather than the hand of an almighty being?" Which, of course, completely misses the point. (And spurs quite a few eyerolls.) If we are in a Universe put in motion by an extra-universal being, then the laws of nature are *His* laws of nature. They work according to how He says they should work.

    Again, since I'm feeling cheeky, I figured it would be fun to respond with a similarly goofy argument:

    It seems to me that if man is hardwired with an sense of altruism and a desire to believe in a super-being, there can be no other answer to this question than the existence of a Creator.

    Ok, go have fun tearing each other up over that. I guarantee that you'll get nowhere, but it might be fun to watch. Lame noodly-appendage references and ID arguments, HO!

    1. Re:Bit O' Trolling by Scrameustache · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It seems to me that if man is hardwired with an sense of altruism and a desire to believe in a super-being, there can be no other answer to this question than the existence of a Creator. 1- You pulled that second bit outta your ass.
      2- Social animals have a higher survival rate when their pack mates are healthy, altruism helps survival, and is an evolutionary pressure.
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    2. Re:Bit O' Trolling by Scrameustache · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      1- You pulled that second bit outta your ass.

      Did I?
      http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/04/04/neurotheology /index.html
      To misuse an old cliche, you must be new here. :-P I got you to cite your source, didn't I? ;-)

      Seriously, a hardwired belief is not proof of the belief. Much to the contrary, it explains why every culture in the world expressed that hardwiring in widely different ways. Belief in a power greater than ourselves is the result of our dependence as infant to parents greater tan ourselves at the time, which we keep once we become those powers, so we make something up to fill the void.

      Now if you'll excuse me, Zeus wants me to burn some goat fat. If I don't do it, I might get hit by lightning!
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    3. Re:Bit O' Trolling by Scrameustache · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Ok, so evolution can offer a possible explanation. Does that disprove a God? *pff* How can you disprove something that isn't governed by the laws of nature that you are using to do the proof? Actually, diarrhea disproves the Christian god: An omnipotent, benovelant being wouldn't create diarrhea. q.e.d.
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  2. Re:No defense of selfishness by monxrtr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Socialism is violence, plain and simple, which causes poverty by definition of focrcing tranferances of physical material wealth that is not voluntarily forthcoming. Where are the calls for ending "looks" inequality? How is it "fair" or not "violent crime inducing" for one person to have exclusive access to a subjectively "prettier" woman? Because people should be free to be and give what is their's to whom they want when they want? Is "rape with representation" justified to "share the wealth"? You can vote someone into sexual servitude because that's a "positive externality that would benefit everyone"? People should be free to associate sexually when and with whom they want but not be granted the same respect with their other property? People only act, only charitably donate, when by definition it benefits them. That's why they choose particular charities and exclude other particular charities. This is a good thing, as it prevents waste and increases wealth for all who freely trade. How ironic for a "socialist" to talk about ending poverty, when absolutely every free exchange by definition makes people wealthier, ends poverty. When you use violence to rape, or violence to vote/take others property through taxation you are by definition *causing* poverty, in absolutely every instance. But sure, universal ownership works perfectly in the non-scarce realm of ideas. Banish all copyright/patent protection. Nobody can produce more quality music then they receive for free in return (least of all not "rip off" the ideas of others).

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  3. Re:Following your logic... by Scrameustache · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It would almost always be more effective to volunteer less, work overtime, and give more. A Dutch banker can pay for a lot of soup-kitchen chefs and servers with a couple of hours' worth of his salary I like that, in order for that stupid remark to appear credible, it has to be a fucking DUCTCH BANKER'S OVERTIME SALARY that's given to charity.
    Obviously, people who are altruistic shouldn't give their time to actually act on their belief, they should be helpfull cogs, working more overtime for no money. What kind of fascist wet dream is that?

    P.S. If you're ever in need of first aid at a public event, ask if the respondent is employed or volunteering. Refuse treatment if he's a volunteer.
    P.P.S. Don't worry, if you pass out we'll place your inert body so you don't suffocate in your own vomit, we're allowed to do that even if you refused treatment before your condition became life-threatning.
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