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Microsoft Cancels Major Developers' Conference

Kurtz'sKompund writes "Microsoft has cancelled its autumn Professional Developers Conference, citing bad timing in light of the launch of important infrastructure and platform products. This isn't the first time they have cancelled a PDC, for similar reasons."

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  1. Gotta Fix 'Em All! by andrewd18 · · Score: 4, Funny

    from the don't-distracte-me-from-Vista dept.
    Sorry, no developer conference. We're still too busy working out all the typos.
    1. Re:Gotta Fix 'Em All! by alx5000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I only have a couple words...

      !developers, !developers, !developers...

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    2. Re:Gotta Fix 'Em All! by Divebus · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Microsoft Developer Conference happens on June 11-15 in San Francisco where they can pick up the beta of Vista SP1.

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  2. Insert obligatory Steve B. quote here by Nybble's+Byte · · Score: 5, Funny

    By the way, who was chairing the conference?

  3. Wouldn't that be when it's needed most? by moderatorrater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Between the office's ribbon interface and the actual launch of Vista, you'd think that now would be the most important time to have a developers conference. With all the new challenges and the conference still several months away, wouldn't it be wiser to schedule the time now and make sure that critical issues are dealt with early?

    1. Re:Wouldn't that be when it's needed most? by Anarchysoft · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Between the office's ribbon interface and the actual launch of Vista, you'd think that now would be the most important time to have a developers conference. With all the new challenges and the conference still several months away, wouldn't it be wiser to schedule the time now and make sure that critical issues are dealt with early? I totally agree. This is exactly when they should be promoting development on Vista including things like how to get the most out of Windows Presentation Framework with XAML, handle porting issues, the new security features, etc! A peek at how Apple hypes 10.5 to developers should illuminate the strategy.
    2. Re:Wouldn't that be when it's needed most? by siliconwafer · · Score: 2

      As a developer I agree with you, but lets not forget that Vista was delayed, the Zune has been sucking ... MS shareholders don't care about "critical issues", they care about revenue for the current quarter and fiscal year. A developers conference, in the eyes of a shareholder, is a distraction and misalignment of priorities.

  4. Re:and 10,000 OSS developers.... by ClosedSource · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unfortunately, they're all working on their own individual version of a ground-breaking text editor and extensible platform that will eclipse Eclipse.

  5. I work with MS products. by ushering05401 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    VS2005 targeting Win 2000 through Vista to be exact. Nice product VS2005. I can write very nice apps with c# and the .NET framework.

    I adopted MS because the shop I began working IT with served mostly MS customers, and now my shop does as well... just a reality of working in a niche market where MS has been the accesible OS for so many years.

    Why, I ask, am I pulling my hair out every other week?

    Does a properly run company cause a dedicated client to want to pull his already diminishing supply of hair from his head every time he reads their press releases?

    Products that have been *both* delayed and had functionality removed in the last 8 months:
    Vista
    Viridian (virtualization)
    Server 2008 (announced that a major incremental will be released in 2009 to replace the functionality if that actually happens... so who the fuck is going to upgrade in '08?)

    I depend on this shit. Why? Because you formed a friggin monopoly and all of my potential customers use your products.

    Get your shit together.

    Regards.

    1. Re:I work with MS products. by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I depend on this shit. Why? Because you formed a friggin monopoly and all of my potential customers use your products.

      Get your shit together.
      They don't have to. As you said, they're a monopoly, and you (or your predecessors) and your customers (or their predecessors) are the ones that created this ugly beast. You have all reaped what you have sowed by sticking to a one-size-fits-all solution which most people have known for over fifteen years does not in fact fit all sizes. That they are a monopoly means that they are by and large protected from market forces that would long ago have left any other company that used the same questionable marketing and development tactics that you ascribe to Microsoft bankrupt and half forgotten.
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    2. Re:I work with MS products. by Sweetshark · · Score: 2, Funny

      Isnt it nice to be the squirrel with cement shoes when the 800 lbs. gorilla behind you starts to stumble?

    3. Re:I work with MS products. by ushering05401 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree.

      Unfortunately, as I have posted on other threads here, most of my customers rely on multiple small applications to run their businesses. Porting them to OSS would be a massive undertaking and would require cash that most of them don't have, and applications that don't exist (take construction-specific management apps for instance).

      I have defended MONO and it's developers on this site and others with the stated purpose of promoting an alternative to MS. The fact remains, however, that most of my customers do not have equal options on OSS platforms at the current time.

      I would be unable to develop equal options considering the wide variety of applications that have developed in the MS ecosystem over the last 15 years or so, and that my customers depend upon.

      I would walk away from MS, but that would involve abandoning my customers who are locked in, and with whom I share the common goal of feeding our families by running our own companies instead of working for others.

      Regards.

    4. Re:I work with MS products. by secPM_MS · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You assume that customers upgrade to get major new feature sets. While new feature sets are great for marketing aimed at retail customers, who will in general use very few of the features (new or otherwise), enterprise / corporate markets tend to be much more conservative. In particular, they want MS to do as little damage as possible to their existing enterprise apps, many of which were written with little if any consideration for security or reliability. This legacy tail greatly complicates Microsoft's ability to ship products, as enormous amounts of effort have to be expended to minimize the app compat hit.

      Microsoft executives pulled neat features from Vista (WinFS and others) because they were likely to consititute too much of a security risk. Other changes were made, despite app compat issues, to increase system security. Vista, far more than XP, allows a user to run as a normal user without any administrative credentials (If I have to do any administrative chore, I have to enter my machine administrator credentials, equivalent to su root). From my point of view, the increase in security associated with Vista compared to XP justifies it. I run with all the neat visuals turned off, so my screen is in "classic" mode. It speeds the system up.

      Why do I run Windows? For the same reason as most users -- For the wide variety of apps that run on it (both commercial and shareware). Microsoft created an effective ecosystem. While the OSS community is trying, they are nowhere close -- just look at all the Linux distros, let alone the various BSD's. Over time, the OSS space will close the difference, but the Windows system is richer now. The security bulletin data suggests that the security push did have a significant impact, with high-impact security bulletins reduced by ~ 2X or more.

  6. oops by mythar · · Score: 4, Funny

    just missed the allow button.

  7. Translation... by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "As the PDC is the definitive developer event focused on the future of the Microsoft platform, we try to align it to be in front of major platform milestones"

    Translation...

    "The things we wanted to show at the PDC are so far behind schedule that we would look like fools for even demoing the software."

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  8. Hay! by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 2, Funny

    Developers! Developers! Devel...never mind.

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  9. Re:and 10,000 OSS developers.... by kryptkpr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really like NEdit, and so do many of the folks at work. A few holdouts do use Emacs but any appeal it may have is lost on me. The standard GNU Xemacs doesn't even have different open files show up in different tabs. My idea of a good programmers editor left the terminal window behind a long time ago, but emacs seems to still be stuck there.

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  10. The three Vista developers couldn't show by BillGatesLoveChild · · Score: 4, Funny

    One said his wife was expecting, and the second was busy porting his game from the DirectX10 (codename 'Titanic') to OpenGL. The last said he was busy trying to get his Vista drivers working. He said all the UAC messages are slowing him down.

    Go Vista! Go straight into a hillside!

  11. First step: admit you have an unhealthy addiction by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > I agree.

    No. You don't really. You like to bitch and moan once in awhile but you really don't mind taking it up the pooper whenever Microsoft wants to shaft you. Harsh? Yup. Happens to be true though, based on what you are writing.

    Because you have KNOWN exactly what Microsoft is and how your fortunes (and you customer, etc) are tied to Microsoft's whims for years (hell, decades now) and I didn't hear you mention the FIRST step towards an attempt to correct a situation you yourself realize is ultimately going to hurt you.

    Yes you are right, that you and your customers have become ensnared in Microsoft's trap of dependency. And you are at least toying with the first step of admitting you have a dependency problem. Now you need a plan to break the unhealthy addiction. You really needed to start years back to have a leg up on the smart competitors who already figured it out but perhaps it isn't too late for you to save yourself.

    Step one: When you are in a hole that is rapidly filling with water, the first step has to be to stop digging. That means make every effort to avoid adding any new dependencies on Microsoft technologies. That means don't touch Vista or any of any of it's new technologies or APIs. Same for Office 2007.

    Step two: Develop a roadmap that will lead you where you want to be tomorrow, not where Microsoft wants you to go. Many find the easy path to be web based apps, especially in this era of AJAX. Pitch your customers a client neutral web based version of the apps you currently push on them as .net IE/Windows only crap and see if they are receptive. Explore whether your existing stuff can be run under Wine and fix things until it does work. Then plant a bug in your customer's ear that you AREN'T one of those crappy little vertical vendors who only understands Microsoft. and that if they want to escape you won't be one of the vendors holding them back, that you can support other platforms. If everyone is a passive as you and waits for someone else to go first Microsoft wins.

    Step three: start finding and deploying alternatives whenever practical. OO.o instead of Office where it will work, Firefox instead of IE anywhere there isn't a lot of ActiveX BS to snarl things up. Outlook/Outlook Express should be trashed anywhere people aren't already addicted to Exchange stuff. The more of those dependencies you can break, both for yourself and your customers, the easier it will be to open up options down the road. Same for file/print servers. They can make a great first step and let you gain practical experience.

    Step four: Explore and experiment, learning what is out there is half the struggle. Microsoft crams their stuff down your craw, the free stuff is often waiting for you to go looking for it.

    Step five: Don't just look at Linux. Yes a Mac isn't any more RMS pure than Windows and they want the same power Microsoft has, but Microsoft is the threat to independent developers and users today. And a Mac can run Photoshop/etc.

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  12. Not really indicative of anything: Tech Ed's on by kendor · · Score: 2, Informative
    Not sure this is really news in the way that some might think it. A few reasons:


    PDC is not Microsoft's preeminent developer conference. Tech Ed 200X is. My understanding is that TE is Microsoft's biggest developer conference, and it's running next week, June 4-8 (or 3-8 if you registered for the pre-conference sessions.) Picture 10,0000+ geeks trying hard to make dinner conversation, cavernous convention halls, and (literally) dawn-to-dusk classes and sessions for six days. Quite an experience.

    Conferences get cancelled all the time for all kinds of reasons: I was scheduled to go to Lynda.com's DX3 in Boston, and it got nixed a few weeks out, probably because of competition from FlashForward, MIX, and TechEd. Conferences can get nuked for any of a number of reasons: attendence, competing events, a sense of quiet. I'd rather they schedule developer conferences for when they're warranted, rather than trying to hype up whatever's finished according to a timetable.

    In this case, we're in something of a quiet period: SQL Server 2005 and VS.NET 2005 have been released, ASP.NET 2.0 has been out for awhile, and everyone's waiting for the next big shoes to fall: the growth (or failure) of Silverlight, an ORM-ish technology called LINQ, and the next version of VS.NET, which will fold a lot of web dev/expression stuff into VS.NET. My guess is that "Orcas" will be an extremely significant release for MSFT, in that it will finally turn a wo rld class programming/DB interaction environment into a tool that advanced designers and Dreamweaver users will want to use.

    All of that's a bit off, and so for now, a quiet conference schedule may represent some honesty from Redmond. Personally, among Microsft technologies, I'm currently most excited about some of the third-party stuff coming out. Check out the controls offered by Telerik, or even more gee-whiz cool, the just-released EntitySpaces 2007 ORM framework. Awesome tools. I think Mike & Co. just released this to production yesterday.

    BTW, I will be at Tech Ed if anyone wants to meet over junk food and ice cream. As I have a bit of a background programming Actionscript, I'm interested particularly in seeing what Expression/Silverlight can do.

  13. Not sure if this matters anyway... by SadGeekHermit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because my shop is a Windows shop (ugh) I have no choice but to develop on Windows. But we've all agreed to do our in-house Windows development using Java and Oracle tools rather than Microsoft tools. So for us, this is a non-event.

    Consider the benefits of this approach:

    1. We don't have to worry about porting our applications to Vista, because it's Sun's and Oracle's responsibility to make their platforms Vista-compatbile. All we have to do is copy files to a new server. So we can spend our time actually writing code, instead of worrying about porting issues.

    2. In the event we DON'T move to Vista, our stuff will work on Linux, or Mac OS/X, or anything else Oracle and Java run on. It's not likely we'll get a mainframe, but if we did, we'd STILL be able to copy our stuff onto it.

    3. Our skills have a long shelf-life. New versions of Java tend to ADD capabilities, but the language itself doesn't tend to change in ways that require re-writes. Oracle's the same way, mostly.

    Overall, I don't know why anyone still uses Microsoft tools, given the way they like to "churn" their environment. It seems kind of chaotic and random to me. Remember the switch from VB6 to VB.Net, and how people howled about that? Phew...

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  14. Re:Your post is excellent by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > Users want the simplest solution.

    Of course, so do I.

    > They are correct in believing that MS is the simplest solution.

    They may be believe it but they would be wrong. Odds are as a developer in a vertical industry you are more computer literate than they are, but YOU believe it too so you can't correctly advise them.

    This is 2007, if there is a Windows victim left who hasn't been wiping and reinstalling (or using Ghost) end user machines at least annually I haven't met em. Add in the cost of the 'protection' software that allows one to survive even a year with an end user and it is pretty awful... and expensive. Then add in the other costs of owning and maintaining Windows.

    It isn't the best choice. It is just that most users have never even SEEN anything else and are afraid of the unknown.

    If you are selling into operations too small to even have consultant system admins you probably should have Macs as your ultimate target to be guiding towards. Remember that there are a LOT of options these days to get the odd Windows executable running on a Mac. Have a look at what Code Weavers is doing in this area. Make YOUR stuff able to either run native on either platform or from a small server in their corner.

    If the customer is a little bigger thin clients make sense. Remote in Windows from a server to cover the legacy stuff. But get those Windows desktops scrapped and stop the pain! Crossover Office is also something to experiment with, it runs a LOT of those simple 'industry specific apps' (read VB) and will only get better at it.

    If you haven't experienced a thin client or server hosted homes on a thick client you can't really understand the difference. In my world (with 100 total seats at six sites) a workstation can die and we don't care. We toss the spare out and get on with our work. NO inportant data lives on the clients even though ours still have the OS on a local HDD. Yes you can pull most of this stuff off with Windows clients & servers but by the time you are done you have spent a lot more in time and money to make it actually work correctly and will spend more keeping it running. But until you experience it and truly understand there is a better way than unreliable Dells running unstable Windows you won't be able to explain it to others.

    Whatever the question, Windows is probably the wrong answer. The sole exception is a gamer who wants more than a Playstation/X-Box can offer.

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  15. Re:A fanatic troll by jmorris42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > My god, you really are a fanatic OSS troll,

    Guess you missed the part where I recommended Macs in certain scenarios. Longterm, yea I'm a Free Software believer. But mostly I think Windows is a menace and a disaster. Other than gamers I really don't know of a question where Windows is a good answer.

    But more importantly Microsoft is fast becoming a threat to the entire idea of 'personal computers.' I'm becoming convinced they intend, and have a fair chance of attaining, nothing less than the elimination of the general purpose computer, replacing it with something more akin to an X-Box that runs IE and Office. If we can't gain enough control to offer credible competition before they manange to buy a law requiring all unregulated hardware to enforce code signing and DRM we all lose bigtime. On that day all small independent software houses are going to be hosed.

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