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Wii's Longevity, Competition Questioned

Gamasutra reports that, despite the Wii's breakaway sales success, some analysts are skeptical of the Wii's staying power. Other analysts are, of course, pointing out that many of the 'hardcore' titles are expected later this year. "[They] not[ed] that 31% of Wii owners surveyed in March said they expected to play the Wii more often a year from now, compared to 21% of Xbox 360 owners." At the same time, Nintendo of America's George Harrison is questioning the staying power of Sony and Microsoft. According to Harrison, the two larger companies 'lack the DNA' to move with the industry, and keep with the the demand for casual, more family-friendly titles. "'They're really good at reaching a certain customer, and have a real difficulty understanding how we succeed with the customers that we have,' said the senior vice president of marketing and communications. With the sales of Wii and DS hardware crushing the competition in the US, Harrison is confident that Nintendo could take up to as much as 50 per cent of the market for this latest 'next-gen' cycle."

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  1. Talking just for my personal experience... by xtracto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I reserved and got a Wii on the launch date along with Zelda and Red Steel. I have also bought Monkey Ball, Excite Truck and Wii Play games. Currently, I am waiting for a good RPG... I was looking forward for the Dragon Quest game but so far there is no sign of it. I do not like the "mini games" as I have enough of them with Wii Play/Sports and MonkeyBall... also I do not have lots of people to play with... WHERE IS THE INTERNET PLAY!!! THIS IS 2007...

    I got bored of my Wii... I am still waiting for a good game, the problem with consoles like this with so few games is that sometimes it is impossible to get a game you like if your "tastes" are not standard... Also, I do not have the £40 to spend on some wannabe game without testing... how am I suppose to see if I like that game? considering that these days, online reviews are less worthless...

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    1. Re:Talking just for my personal experience... by Lockejaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, I do not have the £40 to spend on some wannabe game without testing... how am I suppose to see if I like that game?
      Is renting an option for you?
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    2. Re:Talking just for my personal experience... by Applekid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Such group games like Wii Sports / Play really should have had internet play. Period. The only reason why I'm still playing Sports after three weeks is because my roommate and I have a rivalry going as far as getting gold medals in the trainings and trying to outdo each other in the fitness tests.

      I also picked up Warioware because I always liked the end-game endless modes and how they condition me to recognize what I have to do in a fraction of a second. If you don't like minigames, that's probably torture. ;)

      As I recall, no system has ever had a platform-exclusive RPG come out until many months after launch. (and I'm of the tribe where Zelda doesn't count as an RPG.) It's unfortunate that the unexpected success of the Wii has brought with it a whole bunch of shovelware from 3rd parties. Once the growing pains quit I think it'll do fine.

      And, yes, same argument could be made about the PS3 right now anyway.

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    3. Re:Talking just for my personal experience... by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Such group games like Wii Sports / Play really should have had internet play. Period. The only reason why I'm still playing Sports after three weeks is because my roommate and I have a rivalry going as far as getting gold medals in the trainings and trying to outdo each other in the fitness tests.


      I have to disagree. Why? The fun of Wii Sports/Wii Play is playing with friends/family. I had my hair cut this weekend, and the stylist was complaining about sore arms because she went to a friend's house "and they showed us their Wii and I played Tennis".

      Online play might work for gamers, and maybe it would have been a nice addition, but I don't think it as "required". Look at your own example - you're still playing it because you're competing with someone you know. Grandma Pearl and Grandpa Fogie wouldn't care about "Wii Tennis" ladders online - these are people they don't know, but they do care about their war buddy Jim who comes over to play (and yes, I'm being serious - I have some older coworkers who aren't tech guys who were talking about playing Wii Sports and getting competitive about their scores).
    4. Re:Talking just for my personal experience... by xtracto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Online play might work for gamers, and maybe it would have been a nice addition, but I don't think it as "required".

      The main problem I see is that, I must arrange a "party", "meeting" or whatever with whatever friends I've got here in the UK (I am originally from Mexico) in the not much *spare* time I've got (doing my PhD) in order to play those games, whereas if they had on-line play I would be able to get into my flat (after a 12 hour office day), log in and have fun playing 1 (or 2) games of Bowling/Tennis/etc... against other players.

      Also, my rank in tennis is between 2100 and 2200 (dont remember the exact number now) and I can beat any of my friends very easly... I would really enjoy playing against other people in the world which are equally good.

      So, for me, the lack of online playing on the Wii *is* very bad. They should have added online play on the VC games too, that way I would have bought SF2 or some other SNES game just to play with my girlfriend (who is in Mexico now)... as I said in another post, this is 2007 !!?? , the hardware is there, these are NINTENDO games... WTF happened?

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    5. Re:Talking just for my personal experience... by magnusrex1280 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      On a side note, the success of the Wii wasn't really unexpected. Everything I read and everyone I've talked to who knew about it prior to the launch said it was going to blow the PS3 and the xbox 360 out of the water, and it has.

    6. Re:Talking just for my personal experience... by ProppaT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "the problem with consoles like this with so few games is that sometimes it is impossible to get a game you like if your 'tastes' are not standard"

      I understand what you're getting at, but I feel just the opposite. I've been a Nintendo fan ever since my mind was blown as a kid when I played Super Mario Bros, Zelda, and Metroid for the first time. As Nintendo grew as a company and managed to somehow obscure themselves during the N64 and Gamecube era, I started realizing that while Sony and now Microsoft changed to conform to the flavor of the month, I was constantly surprised with the ingenuity and how much many of my favorite Nintendo games strayed from the norm. Looking at my game library...sure, it's full of RPG's (which, believe it or not, are fairly mainstream and have a decently large market over here these days...they're not the black sheep games they were during the NES/SNES era), obscure rhythm games, and just plain old genre breakers such as Katamari and the like on my PSX/PS2. But then I look at my Nintendo consoles and I have equally odd games...games such as Blast Corps, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Cubivore, Goemon (Mystical Ninja) games, Mischeif Makers, etc. In fact, I'd have to say the ratio of relatively obscure games (or financial flop but terrific game) vs. mainstream games is much higher on my Nintendo consoles than on my Sony systems.

      It may be that you prefer the type of non-standard games that the Playstation invites vs. the type of obscure game that Nintendo consoles invite, but to say Nintendo consoles don't cater to non-standard tastes is slightly confusing as their consoles attract some of the most non-standard games I've ever seen.

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    7. Re:Talking just for my personal experience... by allthingscode · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think all of this ultimately gets to Nintendo's point. Microsoft and Sony went after "gamers" and Nintendo went after everyone else. Guess which market is larger? It will be interesting to see the kind of titles that do come out, but with Zelda, Metroid, and the reported Star Wars game it could be interesting. The arguments going on sound very much like the conversation James Cameron supposedly had with the movie studio when he was making Titanic, something to the effect of: Studio: But your movie is only targeted to females. You'll only get half the population in the theater. Cameron: I wish. And because he only got half the entire population in, rather than the 13-17 year old males who like explosions, he now has the highest grossing movie of all time. Nintendo isn't making the worlds best game console, it's making one people will buy. And it's actually making money on each console, even when it's the lowest price.

    8. Re:Talking just for my personal experience... by segedunum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My 360 is the console I expect to be playing far into the future, while the Wii will be relegated to being the console that non-gamers have fun with at parties.
      And that's why the Wii is winning. There's far more of them then there are of you.
  2. If I could actually get one.. by josquint · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd play ALOT more a year from now, as I figure that's about when i'll finally get my hands on one!

    1. Re:If I could actually get one.. by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

      I still think this whole Wii thing is a giant hoax. I'll believe it exists when I see one for sale. Of course it's a hoax. Supposedly, George Harrison is working for Nintendo of America, which is pretty strange for a musician who's been dead for five years.

      Aaaahhhh.... but all the Beatles conspiracy theorists will point out that it's Harrison's death that is actually the hoax. Mystical Harrison had uber-1337 prediction skills and foresaw the rise of the Wii in 1967 (he wanted to get John Lennon to change his song lyrics from "You say you want a Revolution" to "You say you want a Wii" because he knew they'd change the name *even then*).

      As its launch draw nearer, Harrison needed all his strength and needed to avoid Beatles obsessives, so he faked his own death. Some had suspicions, and the stress was getting to Harrison, so he had plastic surgery, letting him appear in public again. Of course, no-one would expect him to keep the same name, so in a masterful stroke, that's exactly what he did!!!

      Meanwhile, Harrison is no longer on speaking terms with John Lennon after he worked on the rival Playstation 3. Paul McCartney is, as we all know, dead (for real), and Ringo Starr has retired on his "Thomas the Tank Engine" royalties.
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  3. Re:Wii isn't going anywhere by Applekid · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Nintendo comes out and says they kick puppies, love Nazis, and wipe their ass with every nations flag in the world they are not likely to drop the ball. "

    Is that a preview of the next Nintendogs game? Sounds like things have gotten much more exciting.

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  4. Analysts are fortune tellers by Tridus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are these the same analysts who predicted that Nintendo would be a distant third this cycle?

    Funny how you don't see them making a statement of "Oops, sorry we had no clue what the hell we were talking about."

    These analysts are as good at predicting the future as any random person off the street, they just get paid a lot more.

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  5. Re:I wouldn't know by theStorminMormon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not going to sleep outside of stores or get raped on ebay just to join in, either.

    I just checked every time I walked through Wal-Mart or Target (once or twice a week) and after a couple of trips I picked one up. There were 3 or 4 in the case. I haven't looked as much since then, but I think anyone who takes the trouble to just look around a bit ought to be able to get one. Then again, maybe I just got really, really lucky.

    In any case, I am not super-impressed with the titles so far. The Wii Sports game is a lot of fun (tried it out on my non-video gaming parents last weekend, they were hooked) and Super Paper Mario is also a lot of fun. But I'm still not extremely psyched about the titles coming out. (For comparison, I own a 360 as well and my favorite game so far is Call of Duty 2 and I have the legendary edition of Halo 3 (yes - the $125 one) on reserve).

    I will say that there's one point to consider: Nintendo is in a much better position to come out with a new system before MS or Sony can. I think we're talking what 5 years? 7? until we see Xbox 720 and PS4. I would be shocked if Nintendo doesn't come out with their own hi-def capable system in 3 or 4.

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  6. Re:No News here move along by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Graphics will become outdated? Or you mean the other haters will overhype their 500W GPUs to shadow their other shortcomings? I dunno, I guess I must be the ONLY person who still plays retro games from the 80s and 90s.

    Only non-innovators push their GPU strength as the main selling point. Let me guess, the PS4 will consume twice the energy, require it's own air conditioning unit, and be able to render 2600x1400 images at 200fps? OMG CRAZIES!

    Tom

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  7. Longevity from a different crowd by grapeape · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am bored with my Wii at the moment but my wife and daughters who never play anything beyond popcap games on the web are still playing it regularly. I dont have many games and do play it alot when I get a new one, but they dont seem to have the staying power with me that they do on the rest of the family. Nintendo really has managed to capture an untapped market and because of that I think you can toss probabilities and gamer opinion out the window, its not a gamers console, its a non-gamers console. That may change as more high profile titles are released, but so far my wife and my parents (who picked up their own after their last visit) would be happy if nintendo just kept cranking out minigames. My mother mentioned that what her Wii really needed was a trivia game and some board games. There are so many of the non-gamer genre's out there that are untouched and dont have to rely on gimics. Imagine "Pictionary" where you could sketch the "clue" on the screen with the remote, the secret word could be given quietly via the remote speaker. Maybe Wheel of Fortune where you can zap away the letters to select them, chess where you can just point to the piece you want to move, Jeopardy using the remote as the buzzer, the possibilites are endless.

    Regardless of the AAA "hardcore" titles that come out later, the Wii has all the possibiilty of being the casual gamers ultimate game center.

  8. Don't underestimate "casual" gamers... by chad.koehler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess I could be considered a "hardcore" gamer... Been playing games since the early 80's and never really stopped. It's nothing to log close to 100 hours in a good RPG.
    That in mind, I wanted a Wii from when I first saw it, looked to be a very fun system that would give a chance to be more "social".
    I would casually look for one from time to time - then last month, one showed up at my local Walmart (very small store, not one of the new big ones), and I picked it up along with Zelda TP.
    Immediately, I began to see the way the console changed the way people around me thought of video games... My wife is absolutely hooked on Wii sports, and the neighbors come by at least a couple nights a week for some tennis or bowling. Most interesting however, was the interest of my parents. Both nearly 60, they never liked video games in the past. Could never even get them to try one out. The Wii was different. They watched my wife and I play a game of tennis, and wanted to try for themselves. Now, every time they stop by there will be quite a few games of bowling played.

    You shouldn't underestimate the attention span of the casual gamer, look how long SOL.EXE has been around.