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Venezuela's Contrarian TV Station Survives on YouTube

carlos_J writes "Ars Technica is running a story about RCTV, a Venezuelan television station whose broadcast license was refused renewal by the government. In response, the station turned to YouTube to get its message out. Says Ars, 'El Observador clips have been seen 175,000 times since May 28, and the channel is currently the most-subscribed channel of the week. While putting the station's shows on YouTube is an excellent idea, YouTube still lacks anything near the reach of over-the-air broadcasts. But the use of the site to avoid censorship is growing, and it's not hard to imagine a day in the near future when the site (or sites like it) becomes as essential as local TV stations. As that happens, YouTube will come into even more conflicts with governments that have an interest in controlling what their citizens see, It's already happening--Thailand's king, for instance, has a thing for iPods but isn't too keen on YouTube. Will Hugo Chavez show more tolerance? '"

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  1. Your answer below. by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Funny
    Will Hugo Chavez show more tolerance?

    Magic 8-ball says: "Not likely".

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    1. Re:Your answer below. by corbettw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He isn't blocking RCTV

      You're right, he only shut them down, confiscated their equipment, and some of his supporters have been filmed shooting at people protesting the station's shut down (see here).

      But he's not blocking them, that would be something so monstrous only Bush would do it, right?

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    2. Re:Your answer below. by Vexorian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must be skeptical, this tv station was just part of the opposition fireworks, If anyone can fake videos are them, specially if it is for self-defense.

      Of course, for an European or American citizen this wouldn't make sense but in Latin America the media are just part of the good old corporative empire that was always allied to corrupt governments (aka the owner of the stations were family with the leaders OR even the leaders themselves) it is not hard to find a TV station owned by a political party in LA, seriously.

      Of course, this doesn't mean Chavez is a saint, he is just moving his country's media from an over biased right to a biased left, both of which are very bad.

      But seriously, this is not about freedom of speech, it is about corrupt media corporations battling a corrupt government.

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  2. Venezuela's Counter-Revolution on YouTube by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was always told that the revolution would not be televised.

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  3. The Counter-Revolution Will Not be Televised by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, you go to YouTube for the counter-revolution but three hours later you're watching old music videos and wondering where the hell the time went.

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  4. Re:Fascism + Anti-Americanism x Oil Money = ??? by stoicfaux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A joke of a country that takes better care of its poor than the United States.

    Fine, fine. How about we take your computer and redirect the money you spend on broadband and software and give it to the poor? After all, using your money to give food and shelter to the homeless is much more important than your "need" to post on slashdot, yes?

  5. Put in some perspective... by dominion · · Score: 3, Insightful


    And please don't think I'm defending Chavez himself in any ways, but let's remember that Thatcher refused to renew the license of Thames Television. True, their license was lost for capitalist reasons (not being profitable enough), and RCTV was removed for political reasons, but many would argue that those reasons are not really all that different.

    And let's be honest about this. In America in 2007, if CNN started taking an active role in the violent removal of Bush (who, while contraversial, was democratically elected), how long do you think the Bush administration would put up with that?

    Chavez is authoritarian, heavy-handed and a bit megalomaniacal. But sometimes all of us need to take a good look in the mirror about the state of democracy here before we get all high and mighty about defending democracy elsewhere.

    1. Re:Put in some perspective... by moderatorrater · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Bush Administration wouldn't get away with shutting down CNN. The best they could do is stop cooperating and making life hard for CNN, but not shut it down because we here in America still love our freedom. I live in the state with the highest approval rate for Bush, and even here I haven't met anyone who thinks that his wiretapping moves are good, just that they're bearable and he's done more good overall. If one of our leaders touched the press, maybe people in Utah wouldn't support his removal, but he would surely be impeached as fast as you could make a cool name ending in "gate".

      p.s. (this isn't flamebait, I'm describing others opinions, not my own, and I'm certainly not trying to offend or pick a fight).

    2. Re:Put in some perspective... by antv · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The Bush Administration wouldn't get away with shutting down CNN. The best they could do is stop cooperating and making life hard for CNN, but not shut it down because we here in America still love our freedom.


      Well, CNN nad NBC are bad examples. During 2002 military coup RCTV reported that Chavez "denounced" his presidency when in fact he didn't. Imagine that a rogue military group took over White House and CNN claimed that president resigned when in fact he didn't. That's pretty much what happened in Venezuela.

      Would FCC renew a broadcasting license for a station that did something like that ? None of our TV stations would try anything like that in the first place, but if one of them tried I'm pretty sure it will be considered treason.

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    3. Re:Put in some perspective... by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Imagine that a rogue military group took over White House and CNN claimed that president resigned when in fact he didn't. That's pretty much what happened in Venezuela.
      You mean like calling the winner in a tight race when all the polls in a state aren't even closed yet? then having to correct it which led to a long drawn out situation that to this date, die hard believers still won't accept the true winner?

      what you described has already happened. and no one lost their broadcast license. Even with the evil Republican winning in the end. OR maybe you are more concerned about someone like a democrat would do something like this. They have been palling around with Chaves recently.

      Would FCC renew a broadcasting license for a station that did something like that ? None of our TV stations would try anything like that in the first place, but if one of them tried I'm pretty sure it will be considered treason.
      We have troups, spys and military operations were people are getting killed and run a higher risk of getting killed because the news keeps telling the enemy about the secrete operations we are conducting against them. When you have brave men and women losing their lives because of the information some news station decided was newsworthy enough to tell the enemy about, and they still have their license, I seriously don't think anything will invoke treason charges on the station.

      In america, Right or wrong, we reguard the news as the ultimate political speech and it is the most protected speech out there. If the news said Bush quit to save his own life and later retracted it, nothing would have happened to them outside their creditability being shot. Seriously, the news can fuck up an entire election and not get retaliated against. What makes you think anything else would be treated differently?
    4. Re:Put in some perspective... by notque · · Score: 4, Informative

      I always respect your slashdot comments, I have you listed as a friend and enjoy your input, but you are really out of line.

      Here we go,

      Complaining about it would only make them look like whiners. Is this the best you can do?

      Participation
      75% of registered voters participated in the December 2006 election. More than 15,000 Communal Councils formed in 2006 that give neighborhoods power to make local decisions. Massive community participation in government social missions.

      Free and Fair Elections
      Eleven internationally observed national elections in last eight years. Government promotes voter registration. Independent National Electoral Council oversees elections. Standardized voting machines nationwide produce paper trail. Opposition claims of fraud exhaustively investigated. Constitution provides for recall of any elected official.

      Freedom of Press
      Hundreds of new independent community media outlets. 2005 reform increased state control of airwaves. Media highly polarized. Private media strongly critical of Chávez, supported coup in 2002 and oil lockout in 2002-2003. Public media strongly supportive. Non-renewal of RCTV license widely criticized; decision is constitutional.

      Varied Political Parties
      77 parties participated in December 2006 election. Chávez wants to consolidate support in one "United Socialist Party," says parties that don't join "can leave."

      Freedom of Assembly, Expression, Speech
      No extralegal retaliation by Chávez after 2002 coup. Political repression much decreased. Freedom to demonstrate highly respected. PROVEA, Venezuelan NGO, reports 4.5% of 1300 demonstrations in 2006 were "repressed, blocked, or obstructed," a 70% decrease from 1997-98.

      Private Property
      Constitutional requirement of payment for nationalization honored. Opposition fears of unpaid expropriation not borne out. 2001 Land Law calls for unused state land and large, unproductive latifundio holdings to be redistributed to campesinos. Government promises to compensate at market rate for land.

      Equality
      Constitution covers gender, rights for the poor, campesinos, and indigenous, but omits race. Tremendous improvements for poor. Society still machista, individualist, and discriminatory. Treatment of non-Chávez supporters questionable: some government institutions do not employ people who supported 2004 Recall Referendum.

      Checks and Balances
      Five independent, autonomous branches of government. Grant of temporary "rule by decree" power criticized by opposition and U.S., but is constitutional; used by at least three other presidents. Chávez criticized for reform of Supreme Court; critics claim court stacking.

      Transparency
      Chávez fairly transparent, but many government officials are not. Little progress curing government and police corruption inherited from past. One of highest crime rates in the world; no improvement under Chávez. Prison conditions still abusive.

      Constitution
      1999 Constitution written with massive popular participation; passed with 72% support in referendum. Protects human rights and democracy; promotes social justice. Chávez has explicitly followed the Constitution. Constitutional Reform can start in National Assembly or at request of 15% of registered voters.

      Economic Human Rights
      Poverty and unemployment down, minimum wage and social spending up. Venezuela declared itself free of illiteracy in October 2005. Free universal education, including university. Free universal health care and drug rehabilitation. More than 180,000 cooperatives registered since 1998.

      Community and Workplace Democracy
      Chávez requires communities to organize to receive government aid. Co-ops, community councils, and co-managed factories promoted with state incentives. Government encourages endogenous development based on democracy and collective production.

      Original source / relevant link:
      Yes! Magazine

      What the FUCK are you talking about? What drug

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  6. Re:Fascism + Anti-Americanism x Oil Money = ??? by goldspider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul." --George Bernard Shaw

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  7. Re:Will Hugo Chavez show more tolerance? by notque · · Score: 5, Informative

    he'd be the guy who shut down the live television channel

    You mean, didn't renew the license of the station that assisted in the coup of April 2002.

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  8. I'll see your Wycliffe and raise you a Camus... by dominion · · Score: 4, Insightful


    "Communism is man's exploitation of man. Capitalism is just the opposite."

  9. A little background by sam_handelman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, I think that refusing to renew the license of this broadcaster was a bad move. BUT, under the legal theory that controls this sort of thing, it's pretty much a no-brainer.

      Those broadcast licenses are *supposed* to be held in the public interest. This TV station supported a military coup against the democratically elected government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Attempted_coup_i n_Venezuela#Events_leading_up_to_the_coup

      That's a pretty unambiguous abuse of the public trust. Can you imagine what would happen to NBC's affiliate broadcast licenses if they supported a military coup against our government? If they weren't tried for treason and shot, they certainly wouldn't be allowed to keep broadcasting.

      Which brings us to the subject of restraint - actually, Chavez has shown a remarkable degree of restraint so far against those who tried to overthrow him militarily. They haven't even filed charges against the military officers - the man that the coup tried to install as President was Chavez' opponent in following last Venezuelan election.

      I seriously doubt that he's going to try and block Youtube.

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  10. Re:Will Hugo Chavez show more tolerance? by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting, First is was for showing him in a bad light. Now it is for participating in a Coup.

    I seriously wonder why they people who run that station hasn't been arrested. I mean overthrowing your government is a crime after all. Ahhh, maybe they didn't participate but rather aired stuff that wasn't favorable to the almighty himself. Well, then we are back to the he didn't renew it because they criticized him.

    I find it extremely ironic that the person who called Bush evil is now Evil and is being protested by the millions in his own country. A far larger single protest turnout then any of the opposition in America could organize. Maybe Venezuela is just that much bigger then America or maybe they just pick their battles.

  11. Re:YAH!! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another perfect reason that the Internet is the most pure form is Anarchy ever created in the history of the human race. Anyone can do anything they want regardless of what anyone else wants.

    I wish that were true, but it's a bunch of crap. Barring the use of fairly extreme measures on your part to preserve security, it's easy enough for the government to find you and send some men around to cart you off to someplace highly pixelated on google maps.

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  12. Let's play pretend by guspasho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's pretend the government owns the airwaves as a public resource and licenses its use, ie the license to use the airwaves is granted by the government, not anyone's God-given right. Let's pretend a TV station who holds a government license for use of public airwaves sponsored a coup against a democratically-elected government. Let's pretend that coup attempt failed. Wouldn't the rule of law require that the people who attempted to overthrow the government be held accountable? Wouldn't a reasonable repercussion be that the TV station involved in the coup have its license revoked for its attempted overthrow of the government? Wouldn't it even seem especially charitible of the government to refrain from taking special action and simply refuse to renew the license when it came up for renewal?

    Because that's exactly what happened here.

    I have no sympathy for this station. Freedom of speech, my ass.

  13. Re:Will Hugo Chavez show more tolerance? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Informative

    Interesting, First is was for showing him in a bad light. Now it is for participating in a Coup.
    I seriously wonder why they people who run that station hasn't been arrested. I mean overthrowing your government is a crime after all. Ahhh, maybe they didn't participate but rather aired stuff that wasn't favorable to the almighty himself. Well, then we are back to the he didn't renew it because they criticized him. How, exactly, do you think that the mass media are used to participate in a coup? The cameramen bash the president's troop with their cameras?
    Or maybe, maybe a media's involvement in a coup is through propaganda? Maybe?

    I find it extremely ironic that the person who called Bush evil is now Evil It is not ironic at all that you fell for the propaganda. The united state's media always cast him in a bad light. Low and behold, you think he's a bad man.
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  14. Re:Will Hugo Chavez show more tolerance? by notque · · Score: 4, Informative

    Very true,

    RCTV's most infamous effort to topple Chavez came during the April 11, 2002, coup attempt against him. For two days before the putsch, RCTV preempted regular programming and ran wall-to-wall coverage of a general strike aimed at ousting Chavez. A stream of commentators spewed nonstop vitriolic attacks against him -- while permitting no response from the government.

    Then RCTV ran nonstop ads encouraging people to attend a march on April 11 aimed at toppling Chavez and broadcast blanket coverage of the event. When the march ended in violence, RCTV and Globovision ran manipulated video blaming Chavez supporters for scores of deaths and injuries.

    After military rebels overthrew Chavez and he disappeared from public view for two days, RCTV's biased coverage edged fully into sedition. Thousands of Chavez supporters took to the streets to demand his return, but none of that appeared on RCTV or other television stations. RCTV News Director Andres Izarra later testified at National Assembly hearings on the coup attempt that he received an order from superiors at the station: "Zero pro-Chavez, nothing related to Chavez or his supporters.... The idea was to create a climate of transition and to start to promote the dawn of a new country." While the streets of Caracas burned with rage, RCTV ran cartoons, soap operas and old movies such as "Pretty Woman." On April 13, 2002, Granier and other media moguls met in the Miraflores palace to pledge support to the country's coup-installed dictator, Pedro Carmona, who had eliminated the Supreme Court, the National Assembly and the Constitution.

    Would a network that aided and abetted a coup against the government be allowed to operate in the United States? The U.S. government probably would have shut down RCTV within five minutes after a failed coup attempt -- and thrown its owners in jail. Chavez's government allowed it to continue operating for five years, and then declined to renew its 20-year license to use the public airwaves. It can still broadcast on cable or via satellite dish.


    From http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno =2054 although there are many voices of this, including watching the actual broadcasts which you can do on... Youtube!

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  15. Re:Fascism + Anti-Americanism x Oil Money = ??? by computational+super · · Score: 4, Funny
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  16. No need to censor YouTube, Chavez can say... by williamyf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Mission Acomplished" (probably dressed as a paratrooper in a chinese aircraft carrier, a la Bush).

    RCTV was the channel with the most geographical reach (nearly 100% of the country). Here in Venezuela, the "regional TV station" is a very recent phenomenon. Most of the TV stations are repeaters of national chains, and being the oldest, RCTV had the most coverage.

    By replacion RCTV with a new station, Chavez acomplishes two goals, get out of the way a big nuance, and replacing that signal with on he can easily control (he is not controlling it yet, but now is quite easy).

    In a country were internet penetration is low, and Broadband even lower, and where internet is mostly used by people who already opose Chavez, loosing the free/broadcast opposing medium is quite a blow for disension (I will not YET claim is a loss in freedom of expression).

    Anyway, as I sit here (in Maracay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maracay) configuring my new laptop, I receive (Radio, MSN, SMS) reports of protests all over the country... But do not be fooled, these are not riots (thanks the lord), and Chavez already survived a general 3 month strike. Therefore, in about two weeks the protests will subside, the thing will be forgoten, and the same university students who are protesting now will be watching RCTV in YouTube using the campus broadband...

    Is a pitty...

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    1. Re:No need to censor YouTube, Chavez can say... by lysse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So the question appears to be - is advocating and/or supporting the forced overthrow of a democratically elected government a legitimate expression of dissent or not? If it is, then clearly Chavez is in the wrong - but then so is pretty much every democratically elected government which has a treason offence on the statute books. But if it isn't, then Chavez has not "stifled dissent" at all, but has instead shown remarkable tolerance - far more than some Western governments, it must be said.

      Moreover, I'm having trouble generally with the idea that anyone who supports a military junta is working to repair democracy, promote legitimate opposition, or make their country safe for dissenters. It seems to me that what they're advocating will have rather the opposite effect - after all, armies have not historically been known for their tolerance of divergent opinions.

  17. Re:Jails? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, what a dictator. He was overthrown in a coup, and what did he do to the *lead organizer* of the coup (Pedro Carmona**) when he got back into power? Kill him on the spot? No, even worse: he was put under *house arrest*. Such strict, brutal house arrest that he was able to flee to Colombia. What a brutal dictator Chavez is!

    Imagine how the US would react if Bush was overthrown in a coup and then got back into power. What do you think would happen to anyone even remotely related to the coup?

    ** By comparison, what was that great icon of freedom, the US-backed coup leader Pedro Carmona doing shortly after overthrowing the government? Why, his first acts were to dissolve the legislature, the judiciary, and abolish the constitution that was overwhelmingly approved in referrendum. But, in the strange world of the Right, he's a democratic hero, and Chavez is an evil dictator.

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  18. Re:Jails? by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

    For God's sake, move back to reality here. The guy's a socialist. He hates Bush and America's current foreign policy. Beyond that, there's nothing much special about him.

    Seriously. Let's look at some other countries in the region concerning opposition TV stations, shall we? (re, Diana Cariboni)

    1. Colombia:

    "In October 2004, the Uribe administration closed the public Instituto de Radio y Televisión (Inravisión),? which aired "documentaries that were often awkward for the government."

    2. Honduras:

    "President Manuel Zelaya ordered all TV and radio stations to broadcast 10 daily one-hour programmes during prime time, starting Monday, to counteract what he called "misinformation" on his administration provided by the press.

    "Honduran law stipulates that nationally broadcast messages (known as "cadena nacional") can only be used to call elections or in case of natural disasters or emergencies."

    3. Nicaragua:

    In 2002, during the administration of Enrique Bolaños, the radio station La Poderosa, aligned with former president Arnoldo Alemán, had their equipment seized without any legal proceedings.

    4. Venezuelan opposition:

    "[I]n 2003, Caracas Mayor Alfredo Peña, an outspoken Chávez opponent, also closed down the community station Catia TV for several days."

    5. Mexico:

    Oaxacan newpaper Diario Noticias, which "is openly critical of [?] Governor Ulises Ruiz, has been the target of attacks since 2005, including assaults on its journalists and attempts to evict the staff from the paper's offices."

    6. Uruguay:

    In 1994 President Luis Alberto Lacalle "stripped the CX 44 Radio Panamericana station of its licence after it urged the public to take part in a
    demonstration."

    Now, hey, let's go back to Venezuela. Let's look at that great and honorable privately owned Venezuelan media system. Back during the coup, the station was nothing but nonstop pro-coup propaganda: video after video of the anti-chavez side with hardly a shot of the pro-chavez side, with constantly mentioning reports of Chavez supporters shooting at opponents and none of the reports of the opposite. When the counter-coup happened? They avoided news and played soap operas and the like instead. Before and after the coup? Potshots at Chavez all the time.

    How did the opposition get ahold of all of the major networks? Because the opposition owns most of the country, period. They're the same "upper class" that's been around for hundreds of years, dating all the way back to Spanish colonialism.

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  19. Re:Jails? by olivercromwell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Acutally, you can say he is brutal. According to the Amnesty International 2006 Report for Venezuela, torture, extrajudicial executions, and enforced disappearances continue to go unpunished. These types of actions are hardly taken by the benevolent, fatherly type of "liberator" Chavez likes to portray. Simon Bolivar would be rolling in his grave if he knew Chavez renamed Venezuela the Bilovaran Republic. Even the Special Rapporteur for the Organization of American States filed a report that harshly criticized the Chavez regime's targetting of journalists, including beatings, threats, and incarceration. Face it, he ain't no O'Higgins or Bolivar. He is a thug in a good suit and calls himself the President.

  20. Re:Jails? by ChameleonDave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because the whole region is fucked for freedoms doesn't make it ok. No, it doesn't make it OK; it puts it in context. It shows that this issue is not about freedom. It is about the US using anything to put Chávez in a bad light, so that future terrorism or aggression against Venezuela will be more palatable to the public.