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U.S. Bans Some Cellphones For Patent Reasons

runner_one writes "According to the New York Times, A federal agency has banned imports of new cellphones made with Qualcomm semiconductors because the chips violate a patent held by Broadcom. The International Trade Commission said today that the import ban would not apply to mobile phone models that were imported on or before June 7." Update: 06/08 13:05 GMT by KD : Glenn Fleishman notes that Apple's iPhone will be allowed into the country, since it doesn't use any 3G chips. He adds that Apple "might have the most advanced smartphone on the market unless President Bush or his trade representative overturn the ruling (which they have the power to do)."

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  1. Message to Qualcomm. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Play with patent fire and you're going to get burned. Remember Qualcomm suing Nokia?, Qualcomm suing GTE Wireless, Qualcomm suing Maxim, Qualcomm suing Motorolla, Qualcomm suing Ericsson, Qualcomm suing Broadcom?

    Everytime a large corporation loses a big case like this, I feel we're a step closer to sane patent reform. Hopefully someone will win a patent against Broadcomm next.

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    1. Re:Message to Qualcomm. by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Disclaimer: I used to work in the field (not for qualcom) and I am extremely happy no longer to.

      Anyone working in the field is well aware of the phenomenon known as "visit from Qualcomm" legal department. In fact, it is a most common question asked when discussing a financial plan or investment in a wireless related SMB: "And have you had a visit from Qualcom yet?".

      It is essentially the same tactic as used by IBM in the early 90-es with their PC-based patents. You are left to develop something, start a business and hopla two chaps in black suits show up with a list of patents which you have supposedly infringed. GTE, Nokia, Motorola, Broadcom were simply big enough to tell these chaps to f*** off, and fight it out. Frankly, I can bet that every single one of them fired the legal salvo after a visit from Pan Legalicus Qualcommi. In fact, in Nokia's case it is known to be so as it has happened as a result of Qualcom violating its obligations to license standardised intellectual property on non-discriminatory terms.

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  2. Re:Once again, patent system blocks progress by ThosLives · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's also the new (pending?) revisions from SCOTUS on the "obviousness" clause that changes the meaning (I hope) to "if the new 'invention' is simply a combination of existing components that does what you would expect by combining those components, it doesn't count as a patentable invention."

    One-click shouldn't be a patent, because it simply chains together existing components in a way that results in the simple sums of functionality. There is nothing "new" there.

    A patent on a chip that simply sums together signal detection with wake-up logic to save batteries should also not be patentable, because both of those technologies have been around for a long time.

    It's only when the sum of components does not simply result in an obvious function that a patent should be granted. My test would be something like: strip the patent application of the description of what it does and the submitter and give it to a group of engineers in that field. If that small group can't determine what the invention is supposed to do within, say, 8 hours (or some other 'reasonable' time frame), then it can get a patent. Otherwise, no patent.

    The problem is that people are now using combinations of preexisting ideas as patents when they shouldn't be allowed. I wouldn't even grant a patent on the optical mouse, because it's an "obvious" combination of an optical motion sensor and a computer pointing device. Now, I might patent something related to how the optical motion sensor works, but only so long as it's not simply a combination of existing components.

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  3. One sided summary by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Qualcomm has been aggressive in promoting their patent rights. But to say
    that they are unique in this field is completely ignoring one side of the story.

    Every try to make something in the GSM/UMTS space? You will have about a dozen companies
    approach you with their hands out. Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericcson, Motorola, Lucent, Samsung
    and several others. CDMA royalties are about 5%, almost all paid to Qualcomm. GSM/UMTS
    royalties sum up to about 18%. The only difference is that if you are one of the big guys,
    you "cross-license" your patents so that you don't end up actually paying anything. If you
    are a new entrant... well, you are out of luck.

    What is pissing off the Nokias, Ericcsons and Broadcomms of the world is that in the CDMA space,
    they have no patents at all. None. That is because they fought CDMA every step of the way until Qualcomm
    demonstrated conclusively that it is a commercially practical technology. Then they
    turned around and tried to claim it as their own, and tried to co-opt it by applying it with minor
    modifications to the UMTS space.

    Actually, I am amazed that Broadcomm is getting away with this. Their sum total of contributions to
    the wireless space is close to zero. They have done some work in the wireline world in the early
    years, but they have contributed zip, zilch, nada in the development of wireless IP. They are not
    even a name in the industry. HOwever, it is possible that they have purchased some IPR of late.

    I am quite happy to see cracks in the patent edifice as a whole, but making Qualcomm the villain in
    this is not correct. Qualcomm laid many of the foundations for modern wireless communications technology;
    Qualcomm corporate R&D is about as close as you can get to how Bell Labs used to be.
    Lots of Qualcomm's IPR consists of non-trivial, non-obvious, fundamental contributions to communications
    theory. Most other wireless companies, in particular Nokia, Motorola, Ericcson etc have done nothing
    fundamental in the past 15 years. They are product companies whose forte consists of taking old technologies
    and packaging them in crowd-pleasing form factors, or (in the case of Ericcson), maintaining relationships
    with behemoth carriers.

    Magnus

  4. Re:broadcom by Tatsh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why did this get rated troll? In all seriousness, Broadcom refuses to write drivers or help or anything to get their wireless cards working natively in Linux. They do not care. Currently the best way to get the BCM43xx chipsets working is to use bcm43xx-fwcutter, but that of course violates patents because it uses the actual firmware of the wireless card to work.