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U.S. K-12 Schools Must Comply With e-Discovery Rule

Lucas123 writes "K-12 school districts throughout the US have a daunting IT homework assignment over the summer: Develop systems that ensure their electronic documents, email and instant messages are in compliance with new federal e-discovery regulations, much in the same way corporations have been preparing over the past year. The new Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) are expected to be widely enforced by the end of 2007, according to a Computerworld story. '"A lack of preparation could prove dire for K-12 school districts, which oftentimes lack technical proficiency, funding and legal expertise," said Robert Ayers, technology coordinator for the Kingston, Pa.-based Luzerne Intermediate Unit 18 school district.'"

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  1. Another law made by non-it people by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am assigned to a committee to see how to implement these 'new' laws into our infrastructure. It's really amazing how incompetent these laws are. They require documents to be stored forever or to expire at a certain date, and as soon as it expires, nothing about the document is allowed to be found. So as soon as the document expires, somebody has to go through all backups, tapes, computers, usb sticks etc. and delete all traces of the document.

    Not only is it near-impossible to implement, the only possible implementation would be a solution similar to DRM on media, which as we all know doesn't work, since you already have the content at that moment. Of course vendors like IBM and Microsoft would love to sell you their solution (that requires call-back to the central server which has to be accessible from both inside and outside the network (if you would like to use your documents elsewhere than within the office)) which not only costs a horrible amount of money, the implementation itself is flawed (as is any DRM-solution) and has so many requirements that managing and securing the solutions is going to be a major issue.

    I think it's disgusting how companies and their lobby push for these impossible laws so they can sell their software.

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    1. Re:Another law made by non-it people by yar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Federal Rules of Evidence aren't quite as unreasonable as people seem to think. IMHO, the article is overstating the effects of the newly implemented rules. Important things to remember are
      A) Have a records retention policy, and
      B) follow that records retention policy.
      If you're a public school, you probably have a records retention policy already. Many schools don't follow those policies for electronic records like they're supposed to, but there's very likely one that exists. Applying records retention policies to electronic media has been a problem with many public schools and many government organizations. It doesn't necessarily require going through one of those vendors or using those tools- it does require planning.

      IT people were definitely involved in the creation of these rules.

      I'm not sure what you mean that nothing is allowed to be found- that's what the discovery rules address. The new rules of evidence provide ways to share or shift costs of finding that information. In the past, you would have to pay those costs. With the new rules, either those costs are shared, or if it truly would be very burdensome to recover that information, the company seeking that information could pay those costs.

    2. Re:Another law made by non-it people by spiedrazer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      See my post below, but the HUGE point that everyone is missing is that the retention ONLY has to do with correspondance concerning ongoing legal action, or issues where it can reasonable be assumed that legal action may arrise! there is NO requirement to log ALL electronic commincations etc. in any way. Everything else this poster said about a retention policy etc. is true. Once you have a retention policy that deletes messages after x days etc. you do need to make an effort to START retaining messages beyond that window if it has to do with an issue that you now know has an ongoing legal action. The articles all do a horrible job explaining these details!

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  2. Electronic Amnesia by mbone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only rational response to this 300 page regulation - not imposed, note, by any act of Congress - will be to delete immediately all emails upon reading (unless you are in an industry that already has requirements to store them). Good look for the historians of the future trying to decipher the history of the early 21st Century USA - the Courts required us to delete it.

    1. Re:Electronic Amnesia by yar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think your post is the biggest worry that hasn't really been addressed yet by the business and legal community. In many ways, these actions encourage companies and government organizations to destroy information. I've seen that espoused by persons in the legal community at large industry conferences: have a strict records retention policy, and follow that records retention policy. There are many companies that offer just those services. Microsoft's new Office integrates with Sharepoint to enforce records rules, for example.

      You're not required to delete it- but if you don't delete it, it can and will be used against you.

      So it will be a challenge, because the "public interest" isn't clearly represented yet.

  3. Why is this in the Fed's jurisdiction by Raisey-raison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was wondering if someone could explain why this is in the jurisdiction of the federal government as opposed to the states. The schools are mostly state institutions. Is it the fact that the email 'crossed' state lines that makes all the difference? What if it is within one state? Does it matter where the severs are located?

    1. Re:Why is this in the Fed's jurisdiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      More than that, but almost all public schools accept Federal funding. As a result, they have to follow Federal rules, or they lose said funding.

      Neighbor, you've just taken a lot of words to avoid using the word "extortion".

  4. Small businesses by Normal+Dan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is becoming increasingly hard for small businesses to do any business these days. Not because they are being crowded out by the larger ones, but because one must higher several employees just to do all the paperwork required to run a business.

    Now they have to log all electronic communication. Why? How is an email or test message any different than calling someone on the phone or meeting face to face? Will we have to bring a tape recorder to every meeting from now on? When will it end?

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  5. Data DESTRUCTION policy.... by nweaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rather than trying to archive everything, there is an important alternative, a data destruction policy. You can't discover what doesn't exist.

    You just need to have the policy long in place before someone even thinks of suing you.

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  6. Re:E-Discovery? by mothlos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank you. I would request that /. editors explain these sorts of things in the body of the news stub. It has always been a problem, but lately it feels like it is getting worse.

    Mod parent up!

  7. What's .. Bush .. got to do .. got to do with it? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So much for the conservative republican President's desire to keep govt. out of our lives. What a lying sack of shit he is!

    The PRESIDENT? What's the PRESIDENT go to do with it?

    Quoting Wikipedia:

    The FRCP are promulgated by the United States Supreme Court pursuant to the Rules Enabling Act, and then approved by the United States Congress. The Court's modifications to the rules are usually based on recommendations from the Judicial Conference of the United States, the federal judiciary's internal policy-making body.


    Internal rulemaking by the JUDICIAL branch - the supreme court and their hirelings - with concurrence from the LEGISLATIVE branch. The EXECUTIVE branch isn't even in this loop.

    Are you faulting Bush for failing to stage an unconstitutional armed intervention into the inner workings of the Supreme Court?
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  8. Re:some schools can't pay for good IT people much. by Kijori · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The average school in the US spends about 6K per student some of the schools you might consider poor (lets look at DC) spend upwards of twice that. 12K per kid per year that more than double what many elite private schools charge usually only 70% of that (not the kind with ponies and security teams where diplomats send their kids those are in a league of their own). OK, firstly while the average school spends around $6k per child, this doesn't tell the whole story; the variance in the figures is very large. Suburban schools in New York spend between 10 and 19 thousand dollars per child, while inner city schools in Utah struggle to meet the $3k mark. The schools you might consider poor do not spend "upwards of twice" $6k, they struggle to raise half of it.

    Your estimates for the costs of private education are just as far off as your estimates of the money involved in public schooling. I suspect you have been misled by figures bandied about in the school voucher debate - these tend to lump secondary schools with elementary schools and even free schools to bring the apparent price down to less than the cost of a public school. For example, an often quoted figure for private school cost is $3600 per child - this is arrived at by taking the average for secondary school, elementary schools, free independent schools and church schools - all designed to make the secondary school cost look low. In truth, the average fee level of a private secondary school is rather higher at about $5,500. The gap between the private and public sector can be explained by a few things, such as reduction in bureaucratic red tape and potential increase in efficiency, but also by their frequent status as charitable organizations soliciting donations that can increase this to meet the public level, and their selectiveness; if you don't have to deal with unruly or disadvantaged children you can cut costs heavily.

    My final point is that you seem to underestimate the costs in the day to day running of a school rather heavily! Just taking into account the staffing takes your available funds down to around $4k per pupil (and remember the schools that only make $3k per pupil originally?). Then you have to buy computers, books, stationary and furniture, run activities, organize school board elections, pay for heating, lighting and water and provide a bus for disabled students who can't get in otherwise. Depending on your location security might be an issue. And your building and equipment don't last forever with thousands of children inside - you need to make it to the end of the year with some surplus in case someone's broken a telescope or put a broom through the ceiling. (Or get insurance - but that will of course cost more than the average year's renovation costs; that's how insurance works).

    My point with all this is that schools don't have millions of dollars sitting around in a cupboard somewhere. They aren't choosing not to employ a team of network technicians, it's just that even a small technical staff - say 2 people - eats into your budget by around $80k year if they're good at what they do. That money doesn't appear overnight.
  9. Why do we all have to become cops? by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Without such capabilities, he said, "what are these people in these districts going to do when approached by law enforcement saying 'we need to know what John Doe did during third period on Tuesday?"

    They ought to be able to say, "Beats me; we're in the education business, not the surveillance business. But good luck with your investigation."

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  10. Re:Not just schools by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, for those of you who are the entire IT department where you work, or if you run your own business as a consultant, (or some similar situation), you might want to pay attention to what is required regarding email and IM retention under the new rules.



    And you might want to get your information from (for instancE) a lawyer familiar with the rules, rather taking on faith the description of the problem from the PR department of vendors trying to sell "solutions".

  11. Re:Not just schools by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And soon private individuals. Just in case you might be a terrorist, or a IP pirate, or just an undesirable that needs to be tracked.

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