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Safari on Windows, Leopard Debut at WWDC
comm2k writes to mention that Apple has announced a Windows version of Safari along with Leopard, the new version of Mac OS X at this years World Wide Developers Conference in San Francisco. "He said Safari was 'the fastest browser on Windows', saying it was twice as fast as Internet Explorer. A test version of Safari for Windows XP and for Vista is available for download from the Apple website. Apple is hoping to replicate the success of iTunes, which has proved enormously popular on both Macs and Windows machines."
Well, there goes even more of Opera's meager market share. Still, I can't wait to get home from work and give it a spin, though I highly doubt it'll replace Opera for me. First Post?
Apple continues to take and take from the Linux/OSS community and give little back. This latest snub of Linux just continues the trend.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Windows Safari fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of Windows Safari (public beta 3) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to render a 17 kbyte html page. 20 minutes. At home, on my blueberry iMac running Chimera, which by all standards should be a lot slower than Safari, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this render, Office will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Notepad is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various versions of Windows Safari, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen Windows Safari run faster than its Mac/Gecko counterpart, despite Windows Safari's faster rendering engine. Netscape 4.76 runs faster than this KHTML-derived browser at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that Windows Safari is a superior browser.
Windows Safari addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use Windows Safari over other faster, cheaper, more stable browsers.
Nobody on windows would give a crap if iTunes wasn't the main way to get things onto an iPod.
I wanted to say that Windoze users would be happy with the KDE goodness that trickles through Safari but I just can't. Konqueror is an awesome file manager and web browser, virtually without peer. Safari is nice and should be fast but it lacks important features - split screens, sftp and so on. Sftp on windoze is ... a chastity belt on a whore ... padlock on a low rider ... stupid and dangerous.
The bottom line is that anyone who really cares is going to GNU/Linux or Mac. People on PCs either don't care or are wearing some kind of M$ FUD blindfold.
KDE 4.0 will have exports to Windoze, if Windoze is still around when it comes out. I would not stop anyone from trying but porting more than a few applications to Windoze is a waste of time.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Hmm... in my experience, coding to IE was much easier because it was much better at interpreting how you wanted something to look like without worrying about being 100% 'standards compliant'. If a site didn't work in FF and worked fine in IE, that was more due to FF not knowing what to do with your code unless you put it together perfectly.
Either way, the only reason the 'standards' got put together was because the minorities needed some way to differentiate themselves from IE. More power to them, we need the competition, but I don't think it's fair to bash IE for not complying.
Quicktime and iTunes, are not perfect. But they are a damn sight better than anything else out there. And they certainly have never fscked up enough that I've had to reinstall.
/Library/QuickTime. And OS X is, in general, a RAM hog. I could come up with more, if I had to. But i guess it's too much to ask, of your kind, to stick to constructive criticism of legitimate issues; when you can just make up bullshit.
> Same thing with iTunes: a buggy POS which screws your system stability.
> And to add insult to injury, it also forces you to install Quicktime.
Heck... all iTunes *IS* is a front-end to Quicktime, with a database and rudimentary browser thrown in on top. That's why, when you run Activity Monitor or top in a Terminal, you always see Quicktime running when iTunes is. Quicktime is what's *playing* your mp3s, iTunes is just organizing them and telling QT what to do. Of course, you already know this... it's the very basics known by anyone and everyone who's not a complete idiot. You're just another liar, troll, and gatesian fanboy.
Quicktime, iTunes, and OS X in general are not without their flaws. Safari and iTunes' browser component don't play well together. Quicktime doesn't like some of the third-party codecs I have in
I can only imagine that you're trying to be humorous with your non-standards-compliant spelling. "sonsistantly"? Seriously, who else but a caveman or a PC user would type a word like that.
WARNING! This girl exceeds the MAXIMUM SAFE standards established by the FDA for BRATTINESS
You're absolutely right of course. Except where you're wrong.
Yes, IE is buggy, yes it sucks, yes it breaks standards, we've heard it all before.
However, when I write web pages, I'm not doing it to make a point or stand up for standards for the sake of standards, I'm doing it so that my clients can serve their clients best. This means that I make things appear squeaky clean on what the vast majority of their visitors use (IE in case you're wondering) and ensure that things degrade gracefully (in those cases where it can't be exactly the same) on others.
Whether that's the way it should be or not doesn't make one iota of difference. that's the way it is.
Now, I'm not arrogant enough to actually restrict non IE browsers from coming in, nor am I dumb enough to not do any work on getting things as standards compliant as possible, or as good as possible on FF/Opera/Safari/Other, but when it comes down to a choice of which browser it needs to look best on because of whatever reason, there's only one way I'm going to go until or unless the landscape changes considerably. Anything else would be a disservice to the people who pay me.
Perhaps there are some people who can tell their clients, "well, it looks right on the browsers that 15% (10%, 20%, whatever) of your user base is using and it's wonky on what the other 85% use, but those 15% are using more standards compliant software, just tell your other users to get with the program and switch!" but I'm not about to. I want to eat.
- ------- There are ten kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who... Huh?
Awww Troll???
Why?
Does the truth hurt maybe?
Typical Mac users
since windows isnt secure, you shouldnt even bother using secure file transfer, and instead use regular ftp. is that what you're getting at?
If you care for information security, you should not let it onto windoze. If you let it onto Windoze, you should avoid using passwords because that will compromise other data you care about. Data security is only as strong as it's weakest link.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Crap, guys! VinceB isn't going to be using Safari 3 because of a single teeny feature! Well, pack it in, we might as well stop development right now if VinceB doesn't like it.
(Seriously, how important do you think you are? Get over yourself. Apple doesn't care if you're not going to use Safari 3, and I doubt anybody here gives a crap either.)
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Sure looks pretty with all those gee whiz features - if you are a home user.
:-P
(Start dry sarcasm)
But with:
- Mail's mail templates (you know those ones that add a whole bunch of HTML and images to perfectly good text messages) this will be great for that new e-discovery stuff.
- Fancy preview browsing (just think of the finder cache needed to store all that stuff!)
- Time machine - making sizable point-in-time backups for your protection (assuming your hard drive doesn't get totally borked, hard drives don't fail on Macs, really!)
- Boot Camp - a nifty application that allows you to explore the wonders of Windows while completely turning off access to the OS and Apps you really want to use along with it. And also taking another significant part of your HD - that time machine doesn't backup.
- Not to mention the 'lets make yet another full sized copy of that image, just in case' iPhoto application.
Yes, business administrators can now rejoice on Leopard, as it will make our life easier as well as our co-workers.
(/sarcasm)
Better buy your Tiger usable Macs while you can.
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
suck my cock faggot, what the fuck does it matter to you if I have a skinable app. Don't fucking use it. jesus christ are you a fucking christian or something