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Microsoft May Be Investigated By Attorneys General

Null Nihils writes "Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal has announced that a group of state attorneys general will decide later this week whether to pursue legal action against Microsoft over allegations of anticompetitive conduct that were brought on by Google. From the article: 'Google has complained that Microsoft's new operating system puts it, and other rivals, at a disadvantage. Google said that Vista makes it harder for consumers to use non-Microsoft versions of a desktop search function, which enables users to search the contents of their hard drives. A group of state attorneys general including Connecticut and California is now determining how to react to the claims made by Google.'"

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  1. Dupe & Duplicity by Macthorpe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not only is this a dupe, but Google's argument was already shown in the comments to that article to be a complete sham.

    Have Google actually deigned to comment on the issue yet? Last time I checked they were shunning any reasonable debate on the matter.

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  2. Re:Boo f***ing hoo by geoffrobinson · · Score: 3, Informative

    You don't have to. But if you wanted the choice it would be unfeasible for you. You are missing the overreaching concern. It isn't about what you in particular want but about choices for everyone in the context of a monopoly.

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  3. Re:Unfair standard? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

    MS doesn't have to open up their code. Just their protocols and APIs. If you don't know how that's different from opening up the code, then you aren't qualified to comment on the subject.

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  4. Re:Unfair standard? by will_die · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft desktop search is used by other microsoft products for its searching. For example if you want to do email searching in outlook 2007 you have to go and download microsoft desktop search, this is on windows XP.
    So if you want to do searches in your email and also use google desktop search you are in trouble since both search engine now have to be running and scanning everything.

  5. Re:what's the bet that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Regardless, Google have misrepresented this entire issue.

    1) They complained to the DoJ/AG without informing Microsoft of the issue and attempting to have it solved,

    2) Windows Search is designed to only operate during idle cycles specifically so it will not interfere with any other running program including Google Desktop Search,

    4) Windows Search can be disabled from the Control Panel, the command line, and if Google could be bothered they can disable it using the Services API during an install of their software, and

    5) Google have even coded Vista Sidebar widgets that are designed to interact with GDS on Vista, which makes their complaint make even less sense.

    I'm sorry to hijack your comment but if anybody else could manage to be a little more informed on the issue rather than immediately jump to the standard "anti-competitive monopoly blah-blah" response then maybe a more intellectual debate could ensue.

  6. Re:what's the bet that by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Informative
    The last paragraph of the article is extremely telling, I think:

    The issue is the latest in an escalation between two of the heaviest hitters in the tech world.

    In April, Microsoft urged the federal competition authorities to thoroughly investigate Google's acquisition of online advertising brokerage DoubleClick, after being beaten by Google in closing a deal for the company. The Federal Trade Commission has since confirmed it is investigating the matter.

    It seems to me that Google is trying to beat Microsoft at its own game. Unfortunately, I have my doubts about Google being able to pull it off. Especially since it would require quite a bit of Evil(TM).
  7. Re:This is fucking retarded. by Tony · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why no complaints about Calculator or Notepad? Why no complaints about Hyperterminal?

    Because you can easily replace them? Because Microsoft hasn't limited the ability to run other programs, such as Putty?

    Why isn't Google complaining about Linux's find?

    Because the GNU/Linux developers haven't intentionally hobbled Google's ability to write a search system for GNU/Linux?

    Apple is far more anti-competitive than MS? Why doesn't anyone hassle them?

    Uhm... how do you mean? Is Apple in a dominant position, and capable of using its dominant position to force others out of business?

    This knee-jerk windows hating grows so fucking tiresome and is so transparent it is not even funny.

    The thing that grows tiresome for me is watching Microsoft use the same old illegal tricks to put competitors at a disadvantage, rather than competing on merit. (The trick to a "free market" is competing on merit, not market dominance.)

    How about taking care of something that matters such as the obvious price fixing in the gasoline market?

    Fuck, yeah.

    Fucking democratic governments and laws - completely useless and corrupt. But oh, you get the illusion that your vote matters... wake up dipshits, you've been taken for a ride.

    Fuckin' A yeah!

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  8. Re:Unfair standard? by metlin · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not unfair because it is entirely possible to write libraries that are not riddled with security flaws. You are trying to relate two things that are almost completely unrelated.
    Please. If you think that writing a complex system (especially one requiring some serious backwards compatibility, such as Windows) of libraries is accomplished without any security flaws, you probably haven't written or worked with very many real-world applications.

    Writing 100% bulletproof applications in the real-world (especially given customer and consumer expectations) is next to impossible, not unless you were doing small and simple things and you've enormous amount of time and money at your disposal. No matter how much you test and secure your system or how bulletproof you make it, there is almost always a point where usability versus security becomes an issue, or compatibility versus security becomes an issue.

    There was a time when Microsoft's products were riddled with security flaws, but over the years, their platforms and offerings have stabilized considerably. If anything, for the amount of complex stuff that they write, their security flaws are hardly a surprise.

    I mean, sure, you can have something like OpenBSD, but just how usable do you think such a system would be? Consider the kernel, the UI, the file system, assorted applications (browser, office applications) etc. and you'd begin to see how hard it becomes to keep the system locked tight with that level of complexity (not to mention scalability).

    I know that it's all fun to bash Microsoft on Slashdot and all that, but sometimes I just wish that people would just get a grip on reality, not their ideal, tiny little world.
  9. Are you aware that Google is lying? by sid0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    MICROSOFT HASN'T LIMITED GOOGLE'S ABILITY TO RUN GOOGLE DESKTOP SEARCH.

    Microsoft hasn't "intentionally hobbled" GDS!

    It's very easy to turn off Vista search indexing. There is an API to use for Google itself!

    Google is lying.