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Location-Based Search Was Patented In 1999

greenbird writes "Another patent fiasco has begun. Wired reports that a patent on location-based Internet searches was filed in 1996 and granted in 1999 (patent is here). A patent troll company name Geomas acquired the patent and has filed suit against Verizon in none other than Marshall, Texas. They claim this is the first in what will be a long line of lawsuits. Geomas has amassed a $20M war chest in venture capital to use for getting rich off of a clearly obvious idea."

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  1. Go Geomas! by andyring · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a Vonage subscriber and hating what Verizon is doing to them, I'm all for someone doing a goatse on Verizon.

  2. They Forgot One! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the patent:

    7. The system of claim 1, wherein said geographical search area is the world.

    8. The system of claim 1, wherein said geographical search area is a continent.

    9. The system of claim 1, wherein said geographical search area is a country.

    10. The system of claim 1, wherein said geographical search area is a state.

    11. The system of claim 1 wherein said geographical search area is a provence.

    12. The system of claim 1, wherein said geographical search area is a territory.

    13. The system of claim 1, wherein said geographical search area is a city.

    14. The system of claim 1, wherein said geographical search area is a point of interest.
    Quick! Patent me up:

    15. The system of claim 1, wherein said geographical search area is ... the universe.

    Laugh now, but thousands of years from now when you're looking for an all night Denny's around Omicron Percei 8, the system that you use will end up paying me patent royalties!
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  3. Now is when I'd like to say... by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if the patent isn't defended within (name your short time frame - I say 90 days*) from the first commercial, non-licensed implementation, the patent automatically expires and falls into the public domain.

    Show of hands on the proposal?

    *For those who say 90 days is too short, let me preemptively reply that if you are so involved in a particular industry that you can patent something in that field, you damned well ought to notice when someone announces or commercially uses that idea _in your field_ within three months. Otherwise, you really are just a troll.

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  4. Slashdot exercise: prove it was an "obvious idea" by reebmmm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Let's put slashdot's money where its mouth usually is. Here's the very first claim:

    A system which associates on-line information with geographic areas, said system comprising:
    • a computer network wherein a plurality of computers have access to said computer network; and
    • an organizer executing in said computer network, wherein said organizer is configured to receive search requests from any one of said plurality of computers, said organizer comprising:
      • a database of information organized into a hierarchy of geographical areas wherein entries corresponding to each one of said hierarchy of geographical areas is further organized into topics; and
      • a search engine in communication with said database, said search engine configured to search geographically and topically, said search engine further configured to elect one of said hierarchy of geographical areas prior to selection of a topic so as to provide a geographical search area wherein within said hierarchy of geographical areas at least one of said entries associated with a border geographical area is dynamically replicated into at least one narrower geographical area, said search engine further configure to search said topics within said selected geographical search area.

    To invalidate it as obvious, you have to find one or more documents/patents or example of a system that contain all of the elements of the claim (or enough sources that show that it was obvious to combine).

    Remember, you have to be able to find documents that existed on or before the date of filing Jan 31, 1996.

    Frankly, it would probably be easier to show that the disclosure was not enabling. But, let's have at it.

  5. Re:Obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lots of things are obvious after they have been done for the first time.

    Yes, but some things that are not obvious become obvious once a suitable infrastructure is put in place. So even if they did think of the idea before it was technologically possible to implement...the idea would have been thought of anyway once the Internet approached its modern state.

    At a bare minimum, a patent application should require a functional prototype. Stating "A device capable of faster than light travel" is not the same thing as inventing a device capable of faster than light travel, so why should the mere description of the technology be sufficient to patent it?

  6. Yellow Pages by borgasm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    um, the Yellow Pages ?

  7. Re:Slashdot exercise: prove it was an "obvious ide by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy would qualify as prior art. That it is fictional in no way keeps it from embodying those ideas.

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  8. Re:Obvious When? by grcumb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How obvious was this in 1999 when the patent was granted?

    Really obvious. Blindingly, mind-numbingly, stupefactifyingly obvious.

    I was writing geographically-based search functions (in a non-web context) in 1998. They were just another feature of the search applications we wrote. The products I was supporting had been in use since 1994.

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  9. Re:Obvious? by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the US was building our strong economy you so cherish, it had much weaker IP laws. IP, especially in it's current form, doesn't do much for society in general, it allows the entrenched to stay so, and get fat on the losses of society as a whole. It stifled creative works, and basically creates a mediocre oligopoly of "art" and technology. Whatever's the safest bet for those who want to keep all their money, and make more. You wonder why Britney Spears is popular, and why Windows is at best passable, rather than brilliant and progressive in technology? People with intellectual property play it safe because they can protect their "intellectual" monopoly, and don't have to take risks with new things that might not go over well. Which basically makes everything play to the lowest common denominator.