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DARPA to Raise Robot LANdroid Army

Banekartr writes "The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency plans to develop a fleet of robots that soldiers can deploy in urban combat settings as they move through houses and along streets. The program, dubbed LANdroid, envisions miniature autonomous drones that can form a network capable of relaying radio traffic in a setting often considered challenging for communications equipment. According to a notional image of a LANdroid included in a DARPA pamphlet, each robot will be about the size of a deck of cards, and must be rugged, lightweight and able to operate for seven to 14 days, the agency said. Demand for technologies to improve the military's ability to fight in urban settings has increased in recent years because many of the operations in Iraq take place in Baghdad and other Iraqi metropolitan settings. DARPA officials will provide additional information about the program during a July 6 industry day."

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  1. Please no by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please tell me that the network layout graphics in the linked PDF were not created by an adult working for the US Government.

    Seriously, the little guy running with a rifle icon, that has to be from some grade school art contest. No one could possibly think those are functional informational graphics intended for grown ups.

    And the green clouds?

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  2. LANdriod? by AltGrendel · · Score: 2, Funny
    Come on, you can do better than that

    And anyway, I thought that Lucas had a copyright on anything 'droid.

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    1. Re:LANdriod? by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 2, Funny

      True. Besides, when I hear LANdroid, I think of the poor intern being blown about by cold air as he pops his head up from raised floor tiles like a meerkat while holding miles of tangled CAT5.

  3. I can't wait by niceone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't wait for the civilian version - I could use a bunch of Wifi routers with tracks scurrying round my house making sure I never get into a weak signal area.

    As long as I could turn them off at night that is.

  4. Must... resist... urge.... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    These aren't the droids.... GAHHHH!

  5. Re:Not very covert .... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think they see these operational in active combat zones. Not sure how many kids are running around smashing stuff when there's live fire a block over.

    Hopefully that's true. But, I don't get the impression that when there's a running firefight in urban parts of Baghdad that they've managed to clear out all of the civilians. In some places (maybe not Iraq, I don't know), the kids are sadly participating in the live fire.

    When you're battling an insurgency/non-traditional forces, they don't always clear everything out in advance so it's a nice sterile combat zone of good guys and bad guys. I suspect a lot of civilians end up trying to stay the hell out of the way to varying degrees of success.

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  6. WiFi Repeater With Wheels? by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, I just gotta ask: Why would you want a WiFi repeater to be mobile? Given its size, it can't be *that* mobile, especially in an environment with a little bomb debris. I can't imagine it would be able to keep up with the troops, and the recovery rate (if they're hoping for it to drive home) would be so miniscule as to be outweighed by the increased bulk and cost of the drive unit.

    Leave the drive unit and motor control out, double the battery life, halve the weight and price, drop twice as many. Then design a separate device to do whatever they hell those tracks are on there for (giving the brass stiffies, is my guess).

    JM2C, but this looks like a tits-on-a-mule cockup between war scientists and dipshit generals. "That looks good. Can you put wheels on it?" "Wheels, Sir?" "Yeah, wheels, so it can drive around, like that Grand Challenge thing you did. And the Predator. Autonomous warfighting robots, it's the future, son." "Umm, well, I guess it's possible." "Outstanding! Let me know when it's ready."

    Not that I don't dig the shit out of DARPA, and I definitely want an autonomoous WiFi tank of my own, but this seems a little stupid.

    1. Re:WiFi Repeater With Wheels? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agree completely. Having it move around seems stupid, unless it has some sort of other purpose besides what's being disclosed. (Anyone remember the little slow-crawling bombs from Total Annihilation?) I think they're just there for the "wow" (or perhaps "WTF") factor.

      Seems like, if you had enough money to spend on the design, you could make a wifi (or similar UHF/microwave) repeater that was really tiny. Use custom ASICs, and I bet you could get something that was less than an inch in diameter and a few inches long, including batteries. Harden them appropriately, and you could drop them from planes over a target area, and even if you took substantial losses, would still have a functioning mesh network on the ground.

      What you really want isn't a miniature tank with a Wifi AP strapped to it, what you want is an overgrown self-powered RFID tag with transmit/receive and basic routing capabilities.

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    2. Re:WiFi Repeater With Wheels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      In the PDF they specifically mention the two reasons for wheels/tracks (doesn't matter which for the project, just that it's able ot move):
      • Fine tuning of signal strength. If you think this is not a significant advantage, you haven't spent much time trying to find the strongest signal for a particular location. Just because your home wifi is 'good enough' for your purposes, doesn't mean it couldn't be a lot better 2 inches to the North. This is very significant when you realize that these units will be deployed by soldiers willy nilly as they run around - the soldiers are specifically NOT required to 'find the best wireless spot'. They can drop the units as they run, and the units will take off on their own to build the best mesh they can.
      • Repair of the mesh when a node goes down. So if Node 7 goes down, then Node 8 and 9 will try to find a better position for themselves to provide coverage where Node 7 was. Along with this they propose to follow a soldier - so they get better coverage as they move about.
      Btw, they are disposable - there is no plan for them to drive home. They also aren't required to manage stairs or debris fields - flat relatively benign surfaces only, though they are required to be able to navigate around obstructions.
  7. Re:I've got a bad feeling about this.. by PinkyDead · · Score: 2, Funny

    These aren't the droids you're looking for.

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  8. I for one... by Mr.+Fahrenheit · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...welcome our new... oh god I'm so depressed.

  9. Re:urban pacification .. by Shihar · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about not spending the money on figuring out ways to destroy some gook village and instead spend it on health care. Wait untill they turn this stuff on you. Wait until they turn an army of wi-fi LAN bots on us? Oh dear god. Please, don't let them give me free wi-fi access!
  10. Re:To Serve Man by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AKAImBatman would know more, if he's reading...

    At your service. I saw the bat-signal and came a'running. ;-)

    Being military, they'll probably use RTGs to charge capacitors.

    It would be nice, but I doubt it. RTGs are still incredibly expensive and wouldn't be used on something throw-away like this. In fact, the military as a whole tends to shy away from nuclear technology unless it's a bomb. The only reason why NASA still uses RTGs in the face of public protests is because nothing else will work. (Spacecraft live and die by the power available to them. Nuclear is not just an option, it's a requirement for extended space travel. People are going to need to accept that if we ever want to push out into space.)

    More likely the military will look into using fuel cells or microgenerators to power these little buggers. For about the same space as it would cost to pack a couple of LIon batteries, the engineers could stick an alcohol fuel tank & (power cell | micro-gas turbine) with many time the energy density. That would allow the robots to meet or exceed the 7-14 day life expectancy.

    Here's an example of just such a fuel cell: http://www.gizmag.com/go/5325/
  11. Re:To Serve Man by quanticle · · Score: 2, Informative

    just abandon them in place afterwards.

    That may not be a good idea, since enemy forces could just then grab the abandoned droids, and use them to listen in or jam our communications. A better idea would be a self-destruct mechanism of some kind, to prevent capture.

    Also, does anyone else think that these LANDroids sound a lot like the Probe Droids from Empire Strikes Back?

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  12. Re:Not very covert .... by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Funny

    The dogs would be good against the early models , but the T-800 will slip right by.

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