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CA Bill Limits Skin Implantation of RFID Chips

twitter writes with a link to a ZDNet blog entry about a piece of legislation submitted to the California state senate. Drafted by Democratic Senator Joe Simitian, its purpose is to ensure that employers cannot require the implantation of RFID chips as part of employment. It is meeting with scorn from the American Electronics Association. "'Our bottom line is we're opposed to anything that demonizes RFIDs,' she said. 'The technology has been in existence for more than 50 years. It's in more than 1.2 billion ID credentials worldwide. ... We've not seen a single showing of ID theft or harm,' said Roxanne Gould, vice president for California government relations for the American Electronics Association, a high-tech industry group."

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  1. RTFA? by Vombatus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can I be guilty of not reading the fine article, when there is no fine article to be read?

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    1. Re:RTFA? by zmollusc · · Score: 4, Funny

      The fine article isn't displayed for you, as you don't have your security I.D. transponder within range. Duh!

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    2. Re:RTFA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/whitepaper.aspx?docid =90938

      Now you've got only one remaining excuse for not reading it : you're on Slashdot :)

    3. Re:RTFA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  2. It is a good thing to limit skin implantations. by Tanuki64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The correct way to mark employees is still an ear tag.

  3. doesn't mean you can't have it by johnrpenner · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Doesn't mean you can't have your RFID -- it just means they can't REQUIRE you to have it.

    and that's a good thing.

  4. Re:Huh? by SnowZero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note to Ms Gould: There's a difference between a tag you wear at work, and something semi-permanently implanted in your body.

  5. like ID tattoos? by dltaylor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Employers are requiring a medical procedure as a condition of employment. How about tattooing the employee ID, or neutering the staff to make them more docile, although that would be redundant for any employee that accepted the chip in the first place.

    This is not primarily about the RFID security. It is about mutilating the staff to save the employer the cost of installing and using a less Nazi-slave-like security system. Seems to me that any doctors that perform the procedure should have their license removed. The tags are hardly justifiable as cosmetic surgery providing any self-image benefit, since the tags aren't supposed to be visible.

    1. Re:like ID tattoos? by Jaknet · · Score: 5, Informative

      "No employer currently requires (or even asks for) the use of RFID implants. Most places are happy when an employers carries theirs as a badge."

      Please check your facts before stating incorrect FUD like this... I remembered reading about this a while ago and it took only a few seconds with Google to find it.

      "A Cincinnati video surveillance company CityWatcher.com now requires employees to use Verichip human implantable microchips to enter a secure data centre. Until now, the employees entered the data centre with a VeriChip housed in a heart-shaped plastic casing that hangs from their keychain.
      The VeriChip is a glass encapsulated RFID tag that is injected into the triceps area of the arm to uniquely identify individuals. The tag can be read by radio waves from a few inches away.
      The news was reported by CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering), a US organisation that opposes the use of surveillance RFID cards."

  6. Religious objection: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I refuse to accept the mark of the beast.

  7. Dear Roxanne Goebbels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dear Roxanne Goebbels,

    Please, be advised that although the Arabic number system had been in use for centuries without significant bugs or security compromises, the abuse of the Arabic number system in the form of tattooing Arabic numbers onto the wrists of European Jews became problematic.

  8. Why... by aero2600-5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it always California that's always ahead of the rest of the country? The best time to take care of a problem is before it starts. Everyone here in the IT business has probably heard of it. It's called preventative maintenace . California has started applying it to politics, and I applaud them for it.

    I've never been to California, and I know that it's not perfect, but a good portion of their newer laws make a ton of sense, and should probably be implemented nationwide.

    What's sad is that when a government body passes a law that is good for it's people, it's news.

    Aero

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  9. Re:Where do the libertarians stand? by slarrg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am willing to make that trade off for the career I want. Being willing to implant an RFID does not mean that you'll get to have the career you want. Perhaps you'll work there for only a month or two and be laid off because of an airline's financial insolvency. Then you can get a new RFID from the next business.

    The problem with implanted RFID is that most people underestimate their future costs as a result of an employer implanting the chip. It costs considerably more to remove an RFID, in money and personal risk, and the employer makes no provision to pay for this. Over a lifetime of jobs, once all employers require RFIDs, how many of these chips will need to be implanted? Assume that every time you change employers or even locations for the same employer you'll need new chip implanted. Every time a system is cracked (your individual chip or the outdated technology of the original chip) you'll need another chip implanted. If your company is bought by another company, implant a new chip. Technology changes constantly and employment terms for one entity are becoming increasingly shorter than in the past. Once employers do it, everyone else will want a chip under your skin for credit cards, or even customer memberships. You may have, literally, hundreds of opportunities to be re-chipped. How many chips can you realistically implant in your arm? Will you be forced to remove some of them because they compete with other technology? (The RFID used for toll booths in Maryland and Delaware are incompatible so I have to put one in the glove box to pass through the other because their systems interfere and cannot read their own ID if the other ID is also present.)

    How many of these concerns do you think a person who is asked to install a chip has actually considered before they get implanted? The long term issues of chipping and the future costs which will be borne by the person being chipped and they are woefully uninformed. This lack of information availability is exactly what allows larger players in a market to abuse the smaller players. When a company knows the dangers but the employees or customers do not, they can shift future costs to them because they lack this information. The market is notoriously bad at affixing future costs to those who caused the problem (from cancer risks of smoking to pollution of locales to bad economic decisions.)
  10. Re:Huh? by binkzz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's also a very big difference between choosing to have anything implanted, or being forced to have anything implanted.

    That she wants to dedemonize RFID chips is fine with me, but at the moment she seems to support forced implantations of the chips. It's really only one step away from no longer being able to buy food without an implanted chip under your hand or forehead.

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  11. Auschwitz 2.0 by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another note to Ms. Gould: I don't think it's the possibility of the RFID tag not working or being stolen that worries the CA lawmaker. I am pretty sure it's the implantation that's the worry.
    For one thing, no employer should ever have the right to demand the violation of an employee's body.
    Another issue is that this is too damn close to a slave collar. "Property of ACME Inc."
    And finally, the RFID tag doesn't stop working once the work day is over, but works 24/7/365.

    The problem I see with a ban is that the ban is likely going to be too narrow if it mentions RFID. Unless it's a ban against any permanent or semi-permanent marking of employees, it's going to be worse than nothing, as the wrong judge might rule that since RFIDs were banned, but tattoos were not mentioned, it means that tattoos are implicitly allowed.

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  12. Require? Force? Oh no, c'mon, who would? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We just pay our employees that allow us to chip them 10 cents an hour more. And for some odd reason, whenever we lay people off, the ones not tagged are the first ones to get sacked.

    Pure coincidence, of course.

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  13. Re:They can demand all they like by Tanuki64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does this really need to be legislated? Eh, no I don't think so.
    No, of course this does not need to be legislated. Just like with compulsory drug tests, the market will regulate itself. Just like nobody wanted to take the drug tests and work for companies, which required them, the RFID implantations won't happen because no company would find employees who would accept them.
  14. Re:Huh? by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Actually it is one step away from technology that is far worse. Once you can force the implanting of digital ROM why not digital RAM an implanted device that records you activities for downloading later. This is a important piece of legislation in order to cut off even worse technology, a politician that is surprisingly looking ahead.

    Often this kind of legislation has to be extended to barring the technology altogether as corporations or government departments will try to work around the legislative ban forbidding compulsion by the use of various extortion techniques, reduced pay, promotion restrictions, implied threats of dismissal, unlikely employment.

    Why wait for the abuses, ban questionable applications of technology to start with.

    Just think of the benefits for the weasel in chief, he wont have to wait for you to make a phone call so that the NSA can record you calls, he can just download you sound recording chip when ever you walk past a phone for any questionable anti-republican statements.

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  15. Re:They can demand all they like by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like with drug tests, it's the weakest that will have the least opportunity to say "no". If the choice is whether to submit to an RFID implant or not be able to put food on the table, it's hard to say no.
    Legislation that hinders companies from exploiting their employees is not a bad thing. The free forces only go so far, and protect only those in a position to say "no". That's not everyone, even if it's you.