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Experts Oppose Classifying Gaming Addiction As Mental Disorder

News.com reports that despite earlier rumblings that addiction to videogames could be classified a mental disorder similar to alcoholism, experts have stepped back from that analysis. The decision by the AMA is that psychiatrists should make further efforts to study the phenomenon, while addiction experts strongly opposed the idea at the organization's annual meeting. "Even before debate on the subject began, the committee that made the proposal backed away from its position, and instead recommended that the American Psychiatric Association consider the change when it revises its next diagnostic manual in 5 years. The psychiatrist group has said if the science warrants, it could be considered for inclusion in the next diagnostic manual, which will be published in 2012. While occasional use of video games is harmless and may even help with some disorders like autism, doctors said in extreme cases it can interfere with day-to-day necessities like working, showering or even eating."

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  1. Eating ... by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Eating ... curses! I knew I forgot to do something today.

    1. Re:Eating ... by ErroneousBee · · Score: 4, Funny

      it can interfere with day-to-day necessities like working, showering or even eating.

      At least it doesn't interfere with bathroom breaks.

      Well, it hasn't since I had the catheter put in.

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    2. Re:Eating ... by D-Cypell · · Score: 5, Funny

      Personally, I dont know what the hell they are talking about... of course I eat!! I have level 225 in cooking! What they think I am just going to *wait* for my HP to regen??

    3. Re:Eating ... by Himring · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I saw 'not eating' and nearly fell out of my chair. These guys have obviously never attended a LAN party. Not eating is obviously NOT a problem....

      The South Park WoW episode depicts this fact very well....

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    4. Re:Eating ... by PackRat+Q.+Winnebago · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, but then at a LAN party you're also in the presence of other people, so the stock-standard argument about addictive gaming being anti-social doesn't hold either.

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  2. Gambling? by NJVil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the uncontrollable desire to play games of chance (gambling) is classified as an addiction, how is an uncontrollable desire to play games of any other sort not? Can online gambling be considered an addiction?

    The only meaningful difference is the money involved. And even then, between gold farming and monthly fees for WOW, is it really that different?

    1. Re:Gambling? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the uncontrollable desire to play games of chance (gambling) is classified as an addiction, how is an uncontrollable desire to play games of any other sort not? Can online gambling be considered an addiction?

      The summary talks about comparison with alcoholism, not gambling. Games and Gambling may actually be similar but neither is the same as being addicted to alcohol, heroin or tobacco.

    2. Re:Gambling? by achilles777033 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, there is a difference. Fees for WoW cost $15/month at worst. And if you don't break the Terms of Use, you won't be buying gold. And trust me, the true Addicts have no need for bought gold. On-line gambling can completely drain anyone's bank account if they are sufficiently addicted. WoW costs $15 a month... on-line gambling costs rent/food/gas/everything else money. Big Difference. Gaming isn't addictive by itself, not everyone who touches it get addicted. Not even a sizable percentage. Gaming gets a bad rap off of people who naturally have addictive tendancies, who also happen to play games. Every leisure activity has it's members who abuse them. The difference is that MMO's are finally getting a large enough following that people are starting to take notice of the abusers.

    3. Re:Gambling? by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Alcohol isn't addictive by itself. Not everyone who touches it get addicted.

      In fact, most 'addictive' drugs can have the same thing said about them. You have to abuse them before you get 'addicted'.

      Gaming can also drain someone's bank account. You talk about 'gaming addiction' as if it only applies to World of Warcraft, and the only costs are the $15/month. You completely forget the entire gaming hardware race, and the cost of consoles and other games. And it's not as if you could just drain the account once and be done, no. There are new games released constantly. More than enough to keep someone broke, especially if they've already lost their job to the addiction.

      I admit it. I'm addicted to gaming. There's nothing I'd rather be doing. When I can manage to do -nothing- else but play a game, preferably a new exciting one, I'll do it. This means not showering some days, eating quick unhealthy meals, and occasionally skipping work because I just -have- to play that new game.

      Do I think I need help? No. I don't even -want- it classified as a disorder that the government will help with. Normal obsessive-compulsive disorder probably covers this well enough anyhow, for those that take it far enough to warrant help.

      But don't dismiss this problem simply because you don't have it yourself. And don't make fun of it, either.

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    4. Re:Gambling? by clifyt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "it's probably got alot more to do with how the number of people that would be diagnosed would effect the economy."

      Actually, you are right on track with this way of thinking. The DSM regularly accounts for items such as social and economic pressure...certain drugs that 'cured' certain 'illnesses' are pushed by big business, and thus if Big Pharm can get to enough psychologists to vote (and they aren't above paying people off), you get inclusion. It has happened more than once, and it will happen again.

      This also works in the social aspects. The biggest example was that the DSM classified homosexuality as a deviance until the mid-70s (err...I think, I never paid much attention to the history aspects of abnormal psych). It was mostly the psychs from the US propped up by conservative Christians (err...one could argue in the 70s, even the liberal christians weren't too willing to go to bat for these people) along with rightwing politicians. Europe had long since stopped calling this a classifiable deviance. And even after it was stricken, there was a LOT of debate over physicians that refused to go by the revised edition because it didn't follow their moral ethics.

      So yeah, economic, social and other pressures state what becomes diagnosable. Heck, and sometimes its right...its looking for deviance from the norm. If there are enough people away from the center, even though in another time, another place they'd have been perfectly 'normal' -- it occasionally merits inclusion, so this isn't a bad thing in and of itself. Most of psychology is trying to help folks fit in and understand themselves. Don't want to fit in, not causing any harm to others...then you are perfectly fine! I love my quirks and wouldn't do anything to change them (and all my studies in psychology have proven to me that I'm actually much more normal than most who think I'm some sort of deviant freak!)

    5. Re:Gambling? by furball · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Video game addiction is very different than gambling in my eyes. Video games are pursued by those addicted to it to fulfill a psychological. The players feel more powerful. They have a sense of impact on their world. They are the hero saving the world, doing something important. If you look at the games people are addicted to playing, they aren't likely to be Bejeweled. The players are more likely addicted to FPS or MMORPG.

      People in general have a desire to feel effective within the confines of their world. Players addicted to video games aren't really addicted to video games. They're addicted to being successful. Video games just give them an avenue to feel successful while the rest of their life falls apart.

    6. Re:Gambling? by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I admit it. I'm addicted to gaming. There's nothing I'd rather be doing. [...] Do I think I need help? No.

      Woooohoooo! Denial, laugh at him! Laugh at the addict! Huhuhu...

      Ok I'm sorry about this post but I just can't get the day pass by without insulting someone on the Internet. I don't know what's with that, it's like a little personal mania. Makes me feel better.

      And the post number. I had 2300 posts. No: no that they're many posts, but the "23". Anyone ever noticed how everywhere we turn to there's always 23 chasing us? When you notice it, you need to disrupt it as quick as possible, you JUST HAVE TO. So I wanted to make them 2301 posts.

      Sometimes I think about this so much I need to drink myself to sleep. Which reminds me, I'm out of smokes. I need to get some on the way back from the casino, but the problem is I never walk out of the casino before I've spent all my money and bet the wife, house and the dog.

  3. indeed by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Interesting

    to compulsively play videogames is a habituation, not an addiction

    it would be misleading to the point of propaganda to lump videogames and heroin under the same umbrella "addiction". something like heroin actually manipulates the biochemical pathways of reward in the brain. videogames can be extremely pleasurable and habit forming. but to think about how videogames are habit forming with the same terminology as how heroin or cocaine or methamphetamine manipulates your brain chemistry directly is extremely misleading

    likewise, i would say a number of other "addictions" are really just trendy bullshit terms in order to decrease the stigma attached to being weak in character. such as "sex addiction" or "gambling addiction"

    no: something that manipulates biochemical pathways directly is addiction, something that works on reward pathways via psychological stimulus is habituation

    if a psychology wonk begs to differ with my terminology, fine. i may have the exact meaning of the words wrong

    but everyone from the casual layman to the hardcore professional needs to understand that something that acts on the brain directly via biochemical manipulation needs another word to describe what it does that a habit forming activity that sucks you in via simple sensory stimulus. there's a simple bifurcation of meaning here that needs to be addressed if indeed my terminology is wrong

    there are certainly highs and lows with both habituation/ addiction, and there are plenty of similarities, but the terminology should be different, to address how these habits form

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    1. Re:indeed by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can stop whenever I want.
      I could't but fortunately I was able to beat my sex addiction because every woman I approached helped out by refusing to have sex with me.
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  4. Gaming addiction = Gambling addiction by popo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Push a button a hundred times... wait for the payoff.... DING. Yay!

    If anyone thinks there's a difference between gambling and WoW they just don't understand either....

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    1. Re:Gaming addiction = Gambling addiction by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

      Supposedly, there was an experiment done a long time ago where they wired up a mouse's brain - specifically, an area heavily involved with sexual pleasure and orgasm - to a button. Once the mouse found the button and pressed it, it continued pressing the button repeatedly until it died of dehydration.

      As I recall, the experiment was called "Diablo" ;)

  5. Re:Is the AMA turning neocon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lovely, let's add another meaningless disorder to the DSM so that people can take real mental illnesses even less seriously.

  6. Having a baby too... by dargaud · · Score: 4, Funny

    Having a baby too can interfere with day-to-day necessities like working, showering or even eating. That's why I think it's a mental disorder !

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  7. Redundant by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The affliction is called 'addiction' and can be caused by or fixated on any number of things. There is absolutely no reason for yet another flavor of addiction to be spelled out.

    This does remind me of a funny thing I read years ago. It was an article about Internet addction written by a psych professor. The punch line was the link to the online support group. Online support group...for Internet addicts. Isn't that like having an AA meeting at a keg party?

  8. Re:Bah! by Mr2cents · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bah! Since when is showering a necessity? My thought exactly. Since I stopped wasting time showering, not only I can play RTCW ET 20 minutes more each day, but I always have room on the bus too. And playing on my PSP is so much more comfortable while sitting.

    Those scientists are nuts.
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  9. Addicted to anything by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While occasional use of video games is harmless and may even help with some disorders like autism, doctors said in extreme cases it can interfere with day-to-day necessities like working, showering or even eating.

    So can watching TV.

    Or jacking off

    Or mowing the lawn.

    This definition is so broad it's useless. Anyone can be addicted to anything. Why the need for special categories?

  10. Re:Is the AMA turning neocon? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, my wife is, interestingly enough, a psychologist. The main reason that they've taken to adding so many disorders to the DSM is not that they've found new ones per se but that they have found that within certain disorders, like the autistic spectrum of diseases, that there are many more subtypes. At one point, anyone with a pervasive development (autistic-like) disorder was slapped with the label of 'autism'. Now they have identified specific types of autism, everything from 'classic' autism to Asperger's to multiple-complex developmental disorder.

    As for video game addiction, my wife happens to also be a specialist in addiction studies and she was actually one of the first people to write about video game addiction as a disorder back in the late 80s/early 90s. It was not widely-accepted at that point that video game playing could be addictive -- but now that it's becoming generally-accepted to be so, she's feeling vindicated.

  11. Re:just an excuse for bad parenting. by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting


        My girlfriend's 12 year old son is an addict... Well, at least according to the story.

        You are absolutely right though, you can't just let the addition tag get slapped on, and ignore him. He can play games in moderation. We've caught him sneaking games. Like, he'll go to bed, but not be asleep. When he's confident that we're asleep, he'll start playing his games again. We've found him at 4am or later playing... The "cure"? I took the video cable from his monitor. He doesn't have a spare. He can play in reasonable amounts.

        Oddly enough, he does exhibit some traits of addiction that I've seen in drug addicts. His withdrawal (emotional, not physical, obviously) is very similar. I'm not an addiction expert, I've just dealt with more than enough druggies over the years.

        I think by recognizing that it is an addiction, clueless parents will now know (hopefully) that "oh, he's quiet, he's playing his video games STILL" is not always a good thing, especially when STILL is 5 days of no sleep, no showering, and maybe (just maybe) stopping long enough to grab some microwave food and go back to the game.

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  12. Re:Have there been any studies? by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, and I can spend days and weeks drinking booze and not feel the slightest twinge the next week when I have to be a responsible human being. That doesn't mean alcoholism doesn't exist.

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  13. Re:Is the AMA turning neocon? by phantomlord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got addicted (or call it whatever you want) to EQ... I was absolutely in a depressive state due to a variety of factors (I take care of my Dad and have spent my entire 20s basically stuck in/around the house with him, dated four girls over the course of that 10 year span(two of which went out of their way to mentally abuse me further), had to quit college to take care of my dad, was stuck in the same crappy job with no ability to get something else that was compatible with my situation, etc). To top it off, I have something called Avoidant Personality Disorder, which is a type of social anxiety disorder that basically manifests itself with me avoiding to do things, rather than do them and face "certain" rejection.

    I started EQ just to play with my best friend here and there... after a couple months, I was approached about being an officer in my guild and shortly thereafter, became a raid leader. At that point, I had a dedication to the game and my guild... to top it off, I was completely accepted and thus didn't have to worry about facing the rejection of my peers. The game was a reality (though separate, I never confused the game and real life) for me that allowed me to relax and not be on guard all the time. Soon, I ended up as the guild leader and another officer and I split raid leadership duties. However, as guild leader and co-raid leader, I felt an even larger obligation to be on and helping out. That avoidant part inside me didn't want to let someone down or they might get mad at me (and thus, reject me). Factor in a regular series of personal accomplishments, group accomplishments, raid accomplishments and guild accomplishments and I was getting a regular high from the game.

    I ended up playing between 8-14 hours a day and if I wasn't at work or sleeping, I was at least nearby in case something came up that needed my attention. Eventually, I started burning out and felt a need to leave the game because I knew it was taking a negative toll on my life. I couldn't quit, however, because my (then) gf and I had met in the game and we were living on separate coasts so the game was our way of spending time together every day in between flying back and forth. Not long after that, my co-raid leader realized he was in a similar situation to me and wanted to start a family so he quit. When he did, that increased my burden even more. I had to be on all the time, I had to schedule my life around a 3 night/week raid schedule (plus an "optional" 4th night for people wanting to work on their epics... I say optional because it was optional for everyone but me basically. The few times I didn't attend, I was begged and nagged, sometimes for up to a week prior to make sure I was there to help someone in particular out). Along the way, my gf and I broke up (she had a lot of mental problems herself... she left me for another one of our officers, switched servers and joined a hardcore raid guild where it was 6 nights a week mandatory and basically ignored her 4 year old daughter for the next year). With that, my main reason for staying was essentially gone but I still felt an obligation to everyone and was still enjoying the highs from my accomplishments. A few months later, my gf and I got back together and eventually she moved back to my server... at which point, her drama began all over again).

    My officers hated my gf for what she had done to us, and especially me, over the course of the prior year... Our biggest problem as a guild was that the hardcore guilds would burn their people out and then proceed to bribe my guild members to leave so they (the hardcores) could sustain their pace rather than looking at self-sustainability. I had a fallout with the officers one night over yet another person leaving over a bribe after getting the last of what he wanted from us. They blamed me when in reality, he was just out to use us. After much fighting over it, I left the guild with my gf and we set out to start a new guild that wouldn't

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