Slashdot Mirror


Presence Systems Number One On Federal Wish List

coondoggie writes to tell us that top among feature requests for any next-gen communications system among federal network managers is the ability to identify and notify employees in real time. "Federal interest in presence technologies 'may come from the fact that agencies want to know where their workforce is to be able to look at the effectiveness and the efficiency of what they're able to do,' says Aaron Heffron, vice president of Market Connections. 'They want to be in contact with them at all times.'"

121 comments

  1. Because gosh... by CaptainPatent · · Score: 2, Funny

    The government just loves to give citizens privacy.

    --
    Well, back to rejecting software patent applications.
    1. Re:Because gosh... by mashade · · Score: 2, Informative

      We're talking about employees here, not (necessarily) citizens.

      Anyway, I think gps combined with push messaging would pretty much fit the bill here, in simplistic terms. I'm not sure where the 'Presence Systems' buzzwords came from.

      --
      Technology tips and tricks.
    2. Re:Because gosh... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      We're talking about employees here, not (necessarily) citizens.

            Employees lose their citizenship when they work?

            Non citizens who have valid visas/work permits are not protected by the same laws you are?

            I don't get why you had to make the distinction between an employee and a "citizen".

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    3. Re:Because gosh... by mooingyak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't get why you had to make the distinction between an employee and a "citizen".

      Because it's a much different issue if an employer wants to track their employees while they're supposed to be working than a government tracking its citizens. That the employer in question is the federal government should not matter.

      --
      William of Ockham had no beard. The most likely explanation is that it was chewed off by squirrels every morning.
    4. Re:Because gosh... by cez · · Score: 1

      It's also different when the employee might WANT to be tracked and integrated into a "Presence" environment. I for one would not mind. I'd be able to leave my station more often. Critical IT techs, or hell; execs, finance dudes, secretaries, agents, admins, doctors too name a few would salivate at that availability. Noone would invest in a system like this to see if the janitor is sleeping in the closet... Well initially at least.

      --
      Walk with Music;
    5. Re:Because gosh... by Smight · · Score: 1

      You know in 1984 they were just keeping track of government employees too. And they only had about 10% of the population working for them, while we're almost at 20%.

      --
      IOU one (1) signature
    6. Re:Because gosh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's also different when the employee might WANT to be tracked and integrated into a "Presence" environment. I for one would not mind. I'd be able to leave my station more often. Critical IT techs, or hell; execs, finance dudes, secretaries, agents, admins, doctors too name a few would salivate at that availability.

      What is it with you pussies who think it makes you seem so important that you must be on call 24/7/365? You're not important -- you're just morons who have bought into the insane concept of "productivity" and "professionalism" being ladled out by the cheap-ass corporations and government.

      Let the chiseling motherfuckers train more than one person in the organization for each job. Or at least cross-train a few people in each area, instead of trying to do everything on the cheap while they reap the bonuses for keeping you on a short chain like a bunch of goddamned organ grinder's monkeys.

      People like you are likely also taken in by this bullshit fairytale called "employee stock ownership"? What a pathetic joke. Take as much as they'll pay part of, and not a share more. Up to that point, it's free money. Beyond that, it should be evaluated just like any other potential investment.

      They'd like you to believe these shares are an incentive to work hard to increase the value of your pitiful little holdings. But in reality, it's again nearly all to the benefit of those at the top snarfling at the company trough.

      Look at it this way -- you have what -- maybe a couple of hundred trifling shares, for which you paid maybe 50% to 80%. Let's say you do something fabulous that increase the stock value by one buck. So you have increased your stake by a couple of hundred bucks.

      But the pig-snouts at the top have been given, likely for free, thousands, maybe tens of thousands of shares or much more, just for hiring on. So each of them gets thousands, tens of thousands or much, much more for your contribution of a buck to the share price.

      I sure as hell wish I could find a way to amplify someone else's work to my benefit at that scale of magnitude.

      Want real entertainment? Go to the Yahoo financial pages and look up the section on insider trading. It's legal, but such trades, at least over a certain dollar or share amount, have to be reported publicly.

      The last place I worked, some of the fat cats were cashing in thousands of shares of company stock per week. When asked why this shouldn't be taken as a sign of lack of confidence in the company, they consistently defended the practice as "prudent financial management, just diversifying their portfolio" or as "graduation or wedding gifts to close relatives".

      Horseshit.

      Sir, more gruel, please, sir?

      BTW, if you think it makes you look important to be on a leash, electronic or otherwise, consider this: When you want time or vacation off, do you have to justify it by proving you're caught up in advance or have provided for complete coverage in your absence? Now -- does your boss have to go through the same sniveling and whining to take time off. Or does he just knock off three weeks of vacation time at a crack, while you have to send one of your kids in to cover for you just to take an occasional long weekend?

    7. Re:Because gosh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The government just loves to give citizens privacy.

      What are they waiting for. I'm sure the RFID anal probe, complete with barbs to keep it from working its way out, would only take half an hour to design.

    8. Re:Because gosh... by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      Some people don't work for large nameless corporations. When you're the only tech guy at a small business, and you go on vacation, everything that breaks while you're on vacation either results in a phone call to you, or a phone call to the Geek Squad. I wouldn't let the Geek Squad close enough to my computers to hit them with a 10' pole. I'll take the phone call.

      Granted, small companies don't have the budget for Presence Systems. But someone mentioned doctors. Sometimes, a doctor really does need to be on call.

      As far as the employee stock thing goes, you're absolutely right. If they can get you to work harder to increase the value of your stock, it also increases the value of their stock. Now, why do you feel you're losing on this win-win? Because someone else is winning more? If I do something fantastic for the stock prices, and I make a few hundred bucks, that's a few hundred bucks that I wouldn't have had otherwise. You recommend screwing yourself, and justify it with 'sticking it to the man.' Believe it or not, you only need to worry about whether something will help you. You sound just as greedy as you accuse the people on top of being, just less successful.

      --
      I see your informative link, and raise you a pithy comment.
    9. Re:Because gosh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Employees lose their citizenship when they work?

      Non citizens who have valid visas/work permits are not protected by the same laws you are?

      I don't get why you had to make the distinction between an employee and a "citizen".

      Well, you see -- it's kinda like an IQ test. But in this case, your parent poster was trying to draw out those with fatally flawed sarcasm detectors. You have been found out. Your defective detector will shortly be recycled. Along with the rest of your humorless body.

      Aside to those who understand sarcasm -- I bet I really got this guy pissing his pants now.

    10. Re:Because gosh... by krinsh · · Score: 1

      Note that they do not use the word "telepresence". Government employers do not trust their FTEs; and often less their contractors - and at least 50% of the time this is rightfully so. I once worked on a government contract that required a significant amount of travel, and the HQ office was 80 miles from my home so I wasn't supposed to have to go in every day I was not on the road - but the contract required we be "within 10 minutes" of the Federal manager responsible for the program. I could've been within 3 seconds but apparently the person had never heard of the telephone except to summon people like indentured servants.

      --
      I think with the interesting people, their lives can't possibly be wrapped up into a nice little package.
    11. Re:Because gosh... by cez · · Score: 1
      I don't usually cave in and reply to AC trolls...but let me give it a try. Since you happen to be a mindless shaft that sits at his cube all day counting the minutes as they tick, dreading that 45 seconds your boss walks by and looks at you so you have to pretend to work...doesn't mean everyone else is.


      Let the chiseling motherfuckers train more than one person in the organization for each job. Or at least cross-train a few people in each area, instead of trying to do everything on the cheap while they reap the bonuses for keeping you on a short chain like a bunch of goddamned organ grinder's monkeys


      Yes, more trained and adept co-workers is a blessing, no doubt. For most anyones everyday job functions, there is someone to cover should the need arise I am sure. However, some people are hired because not many people can do what they do very well, regardless of the amount of training. Or how about programs personally managed or developed, or things you just don't want anyone else fscking with (job security anyone?). In the case of finance, deals you've brokered, trades you need to make, or clients you need to talk too ASAP...I won't even defend executive use of an on-access everywhere system, since they are the devil incarnate for you. Get burned on the bust much? Don't forget it, but time to get over it.


      Lets also not forget this article is in regards to government:

      People like you are likely also taken in by this bullshit fairytale called "employee stock ownership"? What a pathetic joke. Take as much as they'll pay part of, and not a share more. Up to that point, it's free money. Beyond that, it should be evaluated just like any other potential investment.
      ...actually no, currently I am an IT tech for a part of the government...sorry no stock options there. I'm one of those "pussies who think it makes you seem so important that you must be on call 24/7/365", oh wait no I am not. I appreciate my time off as much as anyone, but I am one of those people who would rather fix something as its happening or soon after instead of waiting until shit gets worse. Although I have worked corporate, partnered in my own business among other things...so I guess I can see where your Rant is at least coming from.


      The last place I worked, some of the fat cats were cashing in thousands of shares of company stock per week. When asked why this shouldn't be taken as a sign of lack of confidence in the company, they consistently defended the practice as "prudent financial management, just diversifying their portfolio" or as "graduation or wedding gifts to close relatives". Horseshit.


      Horseshit indeed...although, is someone holding a gun to your head making you keep your shares? I got news for you pal, perhaps that previous company of yours sucked. Plain and simple, its sink or swim, perhaps it was taking a long walk off a short dock to begin with. I'm not saying that corporate corruption does not occur, but if it upsets you so much, quit whinning and do something about it, take a stand.

      --
      Walk with Music;
    12. Re:Because gosh... by The+Spoonman · · Score: 1

      Some people don't work for large nameless corporations. When you're the only tech guy at a small business, and you go on vacation, everything that breaks while you're on vacation either results in a phone call to you, or a phone call to the Geek Squad. I wouldn't let the Geek Squad close enough to my computers to hit them with a 10' pole. I'll take the phone call.

      Two problems with your theory (and I've been there, so I've tested this in practice):

      1) They're not YOUR computers. They're your RESPONSIBILITY, but they're not YOUR computers. You know, kinda like when that salesman installs pirated software on his laptop and you grouse about how it's not his computer to muck with? When you're at work and one of your systems breaks at home, does your company send someone over to fix it for you?

      2) So, because your company is too cheap to spend the money to adequately cover their systems, you have to pick up the slack. How's that working out for you? VP of IT in 5 years, right? Yeah, I didn't think so. See, if they don't realize now that they have a need to spend money maintaining their systems, how are they ever going to learn? Do you think once they start making some money they'll hire someone else to help out? Of course they will! But, not after spending millions having you install more systems (unpaid and on your time) so that by the time they hire the new guy (or gal), you'll actually be at the point where you needed two or three. Let Geek Squad screw up your systems, you'll just fix 'em when you get back.

      I know where you're coming from, I do. I've been there. I've got a set of pictures from when my ex-wife and I went to DC for a week. In almost every one I'm on the phone with work talking them through some issue. Know what happened? I got bitchy because I was working 70-80 hour weeks with no benefit to me, and got myself fired. Best thing that ever happened to me. Now, I work my 40 hours, and if shit don't get done then I had too much shit. Not my problem, I just work here. Ironically, I keep winning all kinds of awards for outstanding service, too. Go fig.

      Don't love your job. It can't love you back.

      As far as the employee stock thing goes, you're absolutely right. If they can get you to work harder to increase the value of your stock, it also increases the value of their stock. Now, why do you feel you're losing on this win-win? Because someone else is winning more? If I do something fantastic for the stock prices, and I make a few hundred bucks, that's a few hundred bucks that I wouldn't have had otherwise. You recommend screwing yourself, and justify it with 'sticking it to the man.' Believe it or not, you only need to worry about whether something will help you. You sound just as greedy as you accuse the people on top of being, just less successful.

      Because, it's really quite simple: you did all the work, they got all the benefit (you got a couple of hundred bucks, they got a couple of million. Your gain is not statistically significant, so you got no benefit. QED) Is it really that hard to understand? It's not win-win. I think you need to take a peek over your shoulder to see whose dick that really is in your ass. Another example from "That Place" described a couple of paragraphs ago: I can document clearly over $5.2 million dollars I saved that company in the three and a half years I was there, yet I still got single-digit merit raises. Now, however, I do exactly the job I'm supposed to and not a step more and get all kinds of awards for service and consistently the highest raises in my group. So, who exactly is screwing themselves here?

      --
      Which is more painful? Going to work or gouging your eye out with a spoon? Find out!
      http://www.workorspoon.com
    13. Re:Because gosh... by fossilstar · · Score: 1

      Even in the Orwell classic "1984," the government only monitored government bureaucrats- the general public was "free" because it could be managed easily with the basic tools: repetition of propaganda, and fear.

      --
      "Support our Oops."
    14. Re:Because gosh... by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      Well, when one of my computers breaks at home, the same guy fixes it as the guy who does the company computers. Does that count? I've got all the responsibility for the computers, both good and bad. If something breaks, it is my job to fix it. On the other hand, when I need something, it's maybe three days, tops, before the funds have been allocated to buy whatever I need. Now, I can only assume that abusing this power would lead to repercussions, but I really don't have the desire to risk ruining a good thing.

      As for the employee stock, I'll let it be known right now that I've never been in a position to get employee stock. My work experience is mostly contract work and smaller businesses. But it seems to me that it doesn't have to be statistically significant when compared to all the money gained by various entities who stood to gain from the stock price increase. It just has to be statistically significant when compared to the money you have. I am reminded of the story of the young boy who was going down a beach, picking up starfish, and throwing them into the ocean. A man stopped him, and asked what he was doing. The boy said that he was throwing the starfish back into the ocean before they died. The man said that there were so many starfish, the boy couldn't possibly make a difference. The boy threw another starfish back and said, "It made a difference to that one." Now, if the extra work that you do is not worth the $300 you'll make above what you'd make just doing your job, then don't do it. Opportunity cost is a very real thing. But how something benefits or doesn't benefit someone else is not part of the economics of this situation, other than that if the powers that be didn't think giving employees stock would lead to increased value for their own, they wouldn't do it.

      Let's put it another way. The meager wage generic Wal-Mart employee gets is insignificant compared to the money Sam Walton gets. But that wage is still a benefit to the employee.

      --
      I see your informative link, and raise you a pithy comment.
    15. Re:Because gosh... by The+Spoonman · · Score: 1

      Well, when one of my computers breaks at home, the same guy fixes it as the guy who does the company computers. Does that count?

      Only if your company pays for it. :)

      I've got all the responsibility for the computers, both good and bad. If something breaks, it is my job to fix it. On the other hand, when I need something, it's maybe three days, tops, before the funds have been allocated to buy whatever I need. Now, I can only assume that abusing this power would lead to repercussions, but I really don't have the desire to risk ruining a good thing.

      So, does that include hiring help? I'm really not sure how the company being good about buying you what you need to do your job equates to your giving up your life for free. I mean, your "theme" seems to be "well, it's your job, just do it". Buying you what you need is their job, great they're doing their job. So, because they're doing their job, you'll do yours for free?

      As for the employee stock, I'll let it be known right now that I've never been in a position to get employee stock.

      Don't worry. As others have pointed out unless you're getting a couple of million shares, it's really not worth it.

      But it seems to me that it doesn't have to be statistically significant when compared to all the money gained by various entities who stood to gain from the stock price increase. It just has to be statistically significant when compared to the money you have. I am reminded of the story of the young boy who was going down a beach, picking up starfish, and throwing them into the ocean. A man stopped him, and asked what he was doing. The boy said that he was throwing the starfish back into the ocean before they died. The man said that there were so many starfish, the boy couldn't possibly make a difference. The boy threw another starfish back and said, "It made a difference to that one." Now, if the extra work that you do is not worth the $300 you'll make above what you'd make just doing your job, then don't do it. Opportunity cost is a very real thing. But how something benefits or doesn't benefit someone else is not part of the economics of this situation, other than that if the powers that be didn't think giving employees stock would lead to increased value for their own, they wouldn't do it.

      So, are you supposed to be the little boy in that analogy or the starfish? Actually, neither fit. A better analogy would be the little boy is stepping on all of the starfish because he doesn't feel like walking on the hot sand. The little boy being the uppity-ups who are making millions everyday off of your successes. Of course employers give employees stock to increase the value of their own. If they give you a couple of them, you feel like you've been patted on the head and then work nights, weekends and vacations for free, thus increasing the value of their thousands or millions. A dog rarely learns how to do tricks unless you offer him a little treat.

      Let's put it another way. The meager wage generic Wal-Mart employee gets is insignificant compared to the money Sam Walton gets. But that wage is still a benefit to the employee.

      Yes, but even the meager wage slave at Wallieworld wouldn't work a second past the time he's paid for because Sam Walton because Sam Walton couldn't even be bothered to know WageSlave24601's real name. In theory, he works hard for the company, and is paid comparatively to the benefit he provides the company. When ol' Sammy was alive, he worked hard and was paid, in theory, commensurate with the value HE provided the company. But, we're not talking the normal "it's your job" kinda thing. We're talking above and beyond and compensation. You work during your vacation, is that compensated? Certainly not by employee stock. But, let's say it was: why should you get a couple of hundred dollars for your work that was above and beyond, but your boss' boss get a couple of million? He provided no extra value to the co

      --
      Which is more painful? Going to work or gouging your eye out with a spoon? Find out!
      http://www.workorspoon.com
    16. Re:Because gosh... by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      I'm willing to fix things when they break, even if I'm not actually supposed to be there, because I get paid for the time when I am supposed to be there whether anything is broken or not. Things so nebulous as 'research' count, and that's the sort of thing I generally do on my own time for free anyway. I get to do my job apart from all the corporate politics bullshit. No one tries to deny me the things I need. And the amount that I get called in (which I do get paid for) is directly related to how robust I've made the systems. Last call I got was from a hard drive failure, which was worth a drive in to hotswap it and let the RAID rebuild itself. Ordered a replacement for the spare next time I was scheduled to be in, it was there by the end of the week.

      --
      I see your informative link, and raise you a pithy comment.
  2. This will be the end of civilization by LowbrowDeluxe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, no one gets anything done in any job with their manager looking over their shoulder. Just think about it, every time the boss wanders into your office you stop what you're doing. And if you didn't, they'd start in with 'advice' until your productivity was shot to hell anyway. key-loggers and such are another great example. Any place I've ever been that used key-logging people spent more time trying to either get around it, or do the bare minimum WPM than they did in actual honest work. An invention that lets a boss micro-manage every employee on a second-by-second basis is going to bring our society grinding to a halt.

    1. Re:This will be the end of civilization by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Seriously, no one gets anything done in any job with their manager looking over their shoulder.

            Ahh but this is different. They want to play on people's natural paranoia. You're right in that productivity drops when the boss is standing next to you. But what happens when the boss theoretically "could be looking at ANY TIME". When suddenly you hear that whatshisface got reprimanded/fired for goofing off 15 minutes after the "coffee break"?

            Of course all the damned passive-aggressives in management are sure to lap this idea up. They can spy on you without you knowing, and suddenly hit you with reams of evidence of your "slacking" if ever they need to manipulate or fire you, without having to listen to an excuse or even a legitimate justification.

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    2. Re:This will be the end of civilization by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

      They can spy on you without you knowing, and suddenly hit you with reams of evidence of your "slacking" if ever they need to manipulate or fire you, without having to listen to an excuse or even a legitimate justification. At both Battelle Memorial Institute and Abbott Laboratories there are departments (groups/teams of about 30 or 40 people) where this is not only the norm but, indeed, the management in those departments will specifically direct certain employees into dead-end tasks for the express purpose of creating legitimate justification of slacking or nonproductivity for the purpose of discrediting or outright eliminating those employees who could display a threat to the passive-aggressive nature and authority of that management.

      Upper management, of course, either doesn't have a clue (doesn't care to, either) or actively encourages such passive-aggressive behavior when it suits their own ulterior motives. The upper management is similarly playing this game, when properly applicable, with the middle managers beneath them.

      HR just plays lap dog to whatever grievances the management concocts using the method.

      Making a deliberate statement of objection to the obvious disingenuity of these systems has resulted in homelessness.
      --
      the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
    3. Re:This will be the end of civilization by Threni · · Score: 1

      No, it'll make no difference. Most of the time employees will be at their desk by their PC. This'll just give middle managers the chance to show to *their* managers that they're doing what they can to track employees, not to actually track them.

    4. Re:This will be the end of civilization by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm a programmer. When the boss comes into my cube I stop what I'm doing so I can ask him what he wants. If he says "oh nothing, just seeing what you're up to" I say "I'm working, fuck off".

      --
      How we know is more important than what we know.
    5. Re:This will be the end of civilization by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      At both Battelle Memorial Institute and Abbott Laboratories there are departments (groups/teams of about 30 or 40 people) where this is not only the norm but, indeed, the management in those departments will specifically direct certain employees into dead-end tasks for the express purpose of creating legitimate justification of slacking or nonproductivity

            Yep. GOT to have them drug patents, because research costs billions and billions of dollars and if we can't sell you your blood pressure meds for $200 a month or antibiotics for $50 a treatment, well, we just can't turn a profit.

            I'm glad I don't work there. Good to know this is going on, however. I'll make sure I don't prescribe any more Abbott products from now on. After all, there are so many alternatives nowadays.

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    6. Re:This will be the end of civilization by cez · · Score: 1

      sure there is avenue for abuse. However, this could possibly bring your office to you anywhere the 'Presence' is situated. You could constantly be goofing off but still get your job done.

      --
      Walk with Music;
    7. Re:This will be the end of civilization by fisternipply · · Score: 1

      If you'd been getting shit done he wouldn't have come over to check on you, slacker.

    8. Re:This will be the end of civilization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But what happens when the boss theoretically "could be looking at ANY TIME""

      That's called "The Panopticum". Already invented. No, it doesn't work.

    9. Re:This will be the end of civilization by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Management always tend to have strange ideas about how long it takes to do stuff.

      They want everything yesterday.

      --
      How we know is more important than what we know.
    10. Re:This will be the end of civilization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...THAT is why everyone drives 88 mph every morning on the way to work!

    11. Re:This will be the end of civilization by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 1

      Obligatory:

      Bill Lumbergh: So, Peter, what's happening? Aahh, now, are you going to go ahead and have those TPS reports for us this afternoon?
      Peter Gibbons: No.
      Bill Lumbergh: Ah. Yeah. So I guess we should probably go ahead and have a little talk. Hmm?
      Peter Gibbons: Not right now, Lumbergh, I'm kinda busy. In fact, look, I'm gonna have to ask you to just go ahead and come back another time. I got a meeting with the Bobs in a couple of minutes.
      Bill Lumbergh: I wasn't aware of a meeting with them.
      Peter Gibbons: Yeah, they called me at home.

    12. Re:This will be the end of civilization by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Seriously, no one gets anything done in any job with their manager looking over their shoulder. This is the government. As often as not, no one gets anything done in their job without their manager looking over their shoulder. If this can actually get workers up off their behind and actually doing the work that my tax dollars paid them to do, I don't think I'll object too much.
      --
      The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
    13. Re:This will be the end of civilization by numbski · · Score: 1

      It's precisely that type of behavior that drove me to quit and start my own company. I couldn't sleep well at night with my financial wellbeing in the hands of someone else. Granted, being your own boss doesn't exactly pave the way to stacks of cash, but I didn't have to constantly worry about being fired anymore.

      Perhaps I just have a weak psyche, but I can't handle that type of treatment. My last boss wanted GPS tracking on me to know where I was at all times. That's insane, and around here that type of behavior is becoming more and more normal.

      Now I have a humble 3-desk office, my own data center, and no boss breathing down my neck. Far from peaceful, but it's a damned sight better than what I had to deal with before.

      --

      Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).

    14. Re:This will be the end of civilization by Smight · · Score: 1

      This is the government. As often as not, no one gets anything done in their job without their manager looking over their shoulder. If this can actually get workers up off their behind and actually doing the work that my tax dollars paid them to do, I don't think I'll object too much. You got the first part of that right. This IS the government. You can't fire anyone unless they were appointed by an elected official who needs to shift the blame.
      The only thing this will do is make the couple of people who actually do work so paranoid all the time that they burn out and try to get fired. Then when they realize they can't be fired they'll become just like the rest of the employees.
      Work will only get done during the one month when someone retires and the new employee become disillusioned yet.
      --
      IOU one (1) signature
    15. Re:This will be the end of civilization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      At both Battelle Memorial Institute and Abbott Laboratories there are departments (groups/teams of about 30 or 40 people) where this is not only the norm but, indeed, the management in those departments will specifically direct certain employees into dead-end tasks for the express purpose of creating legitimate justification of slacking or nonproductivity for the purpose of discrediting or outright eliminating those employees who could display a threat to the passive-aggressive nature and authority of that management.

      Holy crap I nearly ran out of breath getting to the end of that sentence.

    16. Re:This will be the end of civilization by utopianfiat · · Score: 1

      Just as a context to OP, the Panopticum is the concept of a circular prison with a single guard in the center separated by a one-way mirror, so that every prisoner knows it's *possible* they're being watched, but no prisoner actually *knows* they're being watched.
      This device was covered in Michel Foucalt's book Madness and Civilization. Good book.

      --
      +5, Truth
    17. Re:This will be the end of civilization by utopianfiat · · Score: 1

      sorry, PanoptiCON

      --
      +5, Truth
    18. Re:This will be the end of civilization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Management always tend to have strange ideas about how long it takes to do stuff.

      They want everything yesterday.

      Actually they only say that trite phrase because they think it makes them sound like jizz-laden stallions when they say it.

      Too bad I can't find a collection of the "Two-fisted Management" cartoons that ComputerWorld (tm) used to run many years back. I'd pay good money for a copy, just to see how little things have changed in 25 or 30 years.

  3. Telepresence by the_kanzure · · Score: 1
  4. Obvious by rkww · · Score: 1

    Implant an RFID - obviously.

    1. Re:Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GPS+wireless uplink to the server like they use for the trucks anyways (assuming the signal would go through walls).

  5. Micromanaging by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is anyone at all skeptical of the profitable return, to the taxpayers, for the amount of money which will be spent on this type of micromanaging technology at the absurd level? The strain of micromonitoring employees will cause more harm and discord from people succumbing to the extra pressures without their usual outlets. Whether or not those outlets are on or off the clock, technically speaking, is irrelevent when considering that humans are not machines. Every human in every system, whether it be monks in a monastery, coders in a huge borg-like cube fortress, or workers on an assembly line, learns how and where they are able to sneak a few extra moments for themselves, by themselves, without the glaring eye of big brother breathing down their neck. Technologies like this tout performance gains and efficiency ratings which can only be expected of machines--not of humans--because humans inherently steal time for themselves.

    Given that the advertised technical merits of these expenditures in no way properly align with ten thousand years of knowledge of basic human and social psychology the only explanation for these programs is: pork barrel boondoggle.

    Stop wasting taxpayer money on high tech corporate welfare!!!

    --
    the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
    1. Re:Micromanaging by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      Stop wasting taxpayer money on high tech corporate welfare!!! Then stop voting for the people who introduce the corporate welfare.

      --
      Deleted
    2. Re:Micromanaging by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 0, Troll

      As if, in a system as corrupt, overgrown, and unchecked such as the Federal Government of the United States, there is ever a viable candidate who doesn't.

      --
      the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
    3. Re:Micromanaging by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      And then managers will find a way to 'get their numbers up' to show their boss that they are constantly improving productivity. Meanwhile, the whole system, from employees to high level managers, has turned into a scam of figuring out how to improve 'presence' while not actually doing any extra work to improve the measurement scores.

      Reminds me of how IBM used to measure employee productivity by numbers of lines programmed.

      --
      Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
      -- Pablo Picasso
    4. Re:Micromanaging by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well then. I guess the solution is to sit on your arse and do nothing but whine about the situation.

      --
      Deleted
    5. Re:Micromanaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could stick your head in the sand, pretend that the problem doesn't exist, and only lift your pencil neck for opportunities to spew derision and scorn on those who would seek to make the problem more widely known to those who can actually do something about it.

    6. Re:Micromanaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there was really a problem on the scope you claim there is, then it would be more widely known. Conspiracy theory is a long way from proven fact.

  6. RFID by greg_barton · · Score: 1

    Connected? I'd like to think not...

  7. Well, yes, clearly by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Since they are only making it illegal for employers to demand implantation. It must be legal for the government.

    --
    Deleted
  8. I don't think they really want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, and, after that I just sorta space out for about an hour.

    Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

  9. So with the added efficiency by BadERA · · Score: 1

    afforded by this system ... might government employees approach productivity levels somewhat equivalent to their compensation finally?

    --
    I am, therefore you think.
    1. Re:So with the added efficiency by Wintermute__ · · Score: 1

      Um.. Do you have any idea what most government employees make? When I was looking for a job a few years back, it was about half or less what I make in a regular private-sector company, and for jobs that required more work. I literally could not afford to take one of those jobs.

    2. Re:So with the added efficiency by pavera · · Score: 1

      sure the pay might not be great, but the benefits more than make up for it.

      My friend's dad works for the department of health or some such thing.. yeah he only makes like 35k, but he works mon-wed, half day thursday, gets 4 weeks of paid vacation/yr, and when his wife was diagnosed with cancer they gave him 3 months paid leave, and the insurance paid for 100% of the medical bills. He didn't pay a dime (more than 90k in med bills, under a traditional 80/20 plan that most private employers provide, he would have been paying 18k).

      So, sure I make twice what he makes, but I get 2 weeks of unpaid vacation/yr, I have a traditional 80/20 plan that basically means if anything serious happens I still get to declare bankruptcy, I work mon-fri 8-6, and some saturdays when under a deadline, and if my wife got cancer, I'd lose my job or not be able to be there for her, nice choice. I dunno, sometimes I question whether its worth it.

    3. Re:So with the added efficiency by cdrguru · · Score: 1
      I do not know of any health plan where the maximum out-of-pocket is more than $5,000. $2,000 is far more common.


      Anyone with a plan that makes them pay more than $2,000 per year has the wrong plan. My employees have this sort of plan from United Health Care and it is less than $200 a month for a single person.

      Basically, I think you are just wrong about maximum out of pocket expenses.

    4. Re:So with the added efficiency by pod · · Score: 1

      The government can do this because they are not beholden to the consumer. They can afford to offer awesome benefits and pensions that are not funded the same way as non-govn't workers (at least in Canada). Ultimately, they pay decent salaries, and you're set for life, if you want, and if they need to raise your taxes to 50% to finance this, they will and no one can stop them.

      --
      "Hot lesbian witches! It's fucking genius!"
  10. Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Am I the only one who doesn't like to be on call 24/7?

    1. Re:Privacy by cez · · Score: 1
      hmmmmm tough choice. Be on call 24/7 where you might have to drive into the office... or wake up at 3 AM from a 'Presence' alert, kick the hooker out of your bed, bust a line, throw your VR goggles on, try to find a beer without a cig butt in it and fix something for 5 minutes, wake the hooker up the nice way, put the goggles on the dog, and bill them for another hour?


      *feel free to substitute hooker with [wife, boss, boss's wife].

      --
      Walk with Music;
  11. be less concerned about the micromanaging and... by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    more concerned about the implications here. This is called eating your own dog food. Once this is done, the feds will push to have this put in ALL phone systems.

    --
    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
  12. too late by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

    After a fashion, and to an extent which increases daily, it already is.

    --
    the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
  13. Note that 'emergency response' was listed first by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before everybody gets all worried about employee privacy (which I agree is a legitimate concern), consider the applications this would have for first responders, particularly in cases where more traditional networks and or critical infrastructure components may fail.

    Until a specific application is discussed, dismissing the technology as invasive seems premature.

    1. Re:Note that 'emergency response' was listed first by eln · · Score: 1

      Just because you can come up with one helpful use of a technology doesn't mean the technology isn't invasive. If a technology has the potential to be abused, it will be.

    2. Re:Note that 'emergency response' was listed first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So which technologies are safe (don't have the potential to be abused), and how did you manage to get on Slashdot with them?

    3. Re:Note that 'emergency response' was listed first by Secacat · · Score: 1

      How long before everything becomes an emergency? Some managers will consider a missing coversheet from a TPS report to be an emergency. One that requires you to be here RIGHT NOW! The Fed is going the way of Snow Crash.

    4. Re:Note that 'emergency response' was listed first by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      Can you tell me one thing that cannot be abused?

    5. Re:Note that 'emergency response' was listed first by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The answer to your question points directly to the fundamental importance of the 9th and 10th Amendments and, similarly, to the fundamental importance of a strict interpretation of those two amendments. As it is possible to abuse all manifestations of power over one's fellow men it is of significant interest to the freedom and liberty of all to limit the vesting of authority and power into the hands of politically affiliated figures to an extent that provides them with the ability to fulfill their duly appointed Constitutional without granting them the overt ability to exploit the citizens over whom they wield political power and influence.

      Analysis of the importance of the 9th and 10th Amendments and their relation to the historical abuse of power by those who are empowered leads to a root level understanding of why our Federal Government is unconstitutional, has engaged in historical hand-washing to create an illusion of legitimacy, and why said Federal Government of the United States of America is no different from any other fascist government across history which has preached the empowerment of the citizens and their will while, at the same time, stripping them of all rights and powers and using them as unwitting servants to the greater profit of the ruling class.

      --
      the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
    6. Re:Note that 'emergency response' was listed first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To think that this will only be used in emergency situations is naive. I've personally overheard managers at the company that I work for talking about obtaining emergency contact information for employees from the company's Security office. What was their emergency? The program was behind schedule and they wanted to call people in to work on a Saturday morning. Did the Security office provide the employees' contact information? Yes.

      If the "higher-ups" want to use information that is available solely for emergency situations, regardless of the reason, they will find a way to get that information.

    7. Re:Note that 'emergency response' was listed first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Until a specific application is discussed, dismissing the technology as invasive seems premature.

      Unless you're brought into the discussion (with voting power) from the outset, you're being set up for a fait accompli where they can say either, "Where were you in the planning stages?" or, "How can you possibly attempt to tear down this magnificent edifice, on which we've spent such precious resources?"

  14. This is a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lets start with congress.

  15. Yet another reason... by igotmybfg · · Score: 1

    ... to not work for the U.S. government.

  16. wrong icon tag - should be borg bill by jdogalt · · Score: 1

    Yes, this has nothing to do with microsoft, but the borg tag seems so much more relevent...

  17. Sounds like they want people to do TPS reports.... by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    for every little parts of there jobs and thinks like this will just end up having any time gained from this will lost to the paper work, overhead, and people doing the bare minimum. Works will just do the minimum amount of work not to get fired if they had a office with bosses like this.

  18. Does this remind anyone of Snowcrash? by Wintermute__ · · Score: 1

    The government keeps getting more and more paranoid.. and less and less relevant.. until they're sitting in their reinforced compound polygraphing their employees weekly and timing the average time it takes to page-down and read the latest memo on TPS reports.

    Read it too fast and you're in trouble because you couldn't have adequately digested its fascinating implications. Read it too slowly and you're not being productive enough, slacker!

  19. And then they'll want to tax you for it by jmichaelg · · Score: 1

    The IRS now taxes cell phones issued to you by your employer. If they tax cell phones, why not this? Dosen't your wife want to know where you are?

    1. Re:And then they'll want to tax you for it by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      The IRS taxes a variety of benefits like that. It's another way to give you valuable things, just not Money. And as long as the IRS sees fit to tax money-based income, I don't see why they shouldn't be expected to tax Miscellaneous Other Benefits like cell phones.

      --
      The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
  20. You're supposed to be working by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

    We're sorry. You seem to be under the misconception that employer workplaces are sovereign nations unto themselves and the humans inside of those sovereign nation compounds are no longer afforded the rights and protections of the Constitution. You're wrong.

    "You're supposed to be..." is no excuse for maintaining a fascist ideology.

    --
    the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
    1. Re:You're supposed to be working by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      We're sorry. You seem to be under the misconception that employer workplaces are sovereign nations unto themselves and the humans inside of those sovereign nation compounds are no longer afforded the rights and protections of the Constitution. You're wrong. You've obviously never contemplated how the US military, a congressman's office, or a federal embassy work, have you?

      The US Constitution has limits on the laws that the government may enact; it has no limits on the terms of employment that the government or a private entity may impose, although the government has seen fit to enact such laws for the benefit of its citizens.

      At work, if you can't justify the time you spend not working, then you've just got a shitty job.
    2. Re:You're supposed to be working by perlchild · · Score: 1

      And tracking firemen or military personnel in danger zones is a threat to their privacy?
      YES!... But it has legitimate reasons for it... Not all systems are about accounting for toilet paper rolls...

    3. Re:You're supposed to be working by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yes. It is a threat to privacy. That's not the point. The point is that it's a corporate welfare handout at unchecked and non-negotiable expense to the taxpayers.

      I'm sure that any firemen or military personnel you feel like bringing to the debate understand the concept of fraud. Nice of you to try a variation on the "think of the children!" scheme.

      --
      the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
  21. Who are they kidding ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My boss wanted me to make myself available by phone on a 24x7 basis.

    When I asked him how much extra I would be paid, he went quiet.

    The discussion stopped quite abruptly ;-)

    1. Re:Who are they kidding ? by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      That used to work.

      Nowadays, most bosses simply fire back with, "So how much does unemployment pay?"

      --
      I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
  22. As a current federal employee by otomo_1001 · · Score: 1

    They already have this. They are called a blackberry and personal pager and my personal cell phone.

    Why reinvent the wheel when we have cell phones with gps?

    And for the record, if the above three devices are unable to get a hold of me, I highly doubt another will help. If they want to go this route just issue everyone a blackberry with gps and require people carry it around all the time. Then when that doesn't work because half of the people forget to charge them or completely ignore them they can start on the implantable devices that run off our own electrical energy. Then when that .... you get the idea.

    1. Re:As a current federal employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Cisco terms presence doesn't mean finding your physical location it means having you available no matter where you are. It ties the cell phone, deskphone, blackberry and IM together.

      Disclaimer: I have more then a passing knowledge of the company who's products are mentioned in this article but I'm not a sales drone. Just passing a long a more technical link then the article presented since it doesn't paint an accurate picture.

      http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6837/index.h tml

  23. Ah. Telescreens. by StefanJ · · Score: 1

    Of course, Inner Party members like Dick Cheney will be exempt from this program.

    You know, so that they can get Frank and Candid Advice.

  24. Talk to the avatar by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Number one on my list is an avatar that can autonomously handle the presence system.

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
  25. Motive of initial investment by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 0, Troll

    You've made a very careful logical error in your assessment. The motive of the initial investment, contrary to the assertions of TFA, has little or nothing to do with janitors sleeping in closets or employees who might legitimately need such documentation of mobility.

    The point of these expenditures is pork barrel corporate welfare. Everything after that is a product of the question,"How do we pitch this to the taxpayers such that there will be no significant backlash over the expenditure amount?"

    The same system of reasoning can be appropriately applied to the military endeavors in Afghanistan and Iraq. They were not conceived initially as military endeavors. First was conceived the need to ensure that the American taxpaying population would remain in perpetual debt--giving the Federal Reserve guaranteed profit for as many years as they feel like regulating the interest rates on that debt--for the financial advancement of the ranking politicians and private interests. The concept of using military action to justify said extra-large expenditures, and the excuse of both 9/11 and some vaporous ailing cleric (who may or may not still be alive and who may or may not have actually been at the core of the 9/11 tragedy) is a product of that insidious motive to sell the American nation into perpetual indentured servitude.

    --
    the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
    1. Re:Motive of initial investment by cez · · Score: 1

      The point of these expenditures is pork barrel corporate welfare. Everything after that is a product of the question, "How do we pitch this to the taxpayers such that there will be no significant backlash over the expenditure amount?"

      At the federal level, I agree you might have to stretch for the usefulness of the technology, but at a state, or hell professional level, the technology could fit. Integral infrastructure and emergency response comes to mind.

      "Hello 911! Theres a horrible 5 car pileup right in front of me off exit 2 of 95 with a bus filled with CHILDREN! Think of the children, ohhh the burning children!."


      "Chill fool, we got 2 EMT responders, a fireman and 3 doctors car lengths behind you sitting in the traffic with an ambulance 2 blocks away from the exit.":

      --
      Walk with Music;
    2. Re:Motive of initial investment by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      The same system of reasoning can be appropriately applied to the military endeavors in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      No, it can't.

      For your interpretation to have merit, not only would a substantial majority of the federal government need to be as amoral as the wost governments in history, but they would also have to be so amazingly competent so as to hide this from neutral, disinterested observers.

      If you have ever filed your taxes, much less served in the military, you know that "amazingly competent" is not a phrase applied to any part of the government that does not involve destroying something in a spectacular fashion.

    3. Re:Motive of initial investment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you have ever filed your taxes, much less served in the military, you know that "amazingly competent" is not a phrase applied to any part of the government that does not involve destroying something in a spectacular fashion.

      Whoa there, big fella! Time for a consistency check -- how do you in one sentence deprecate serving in the military, while in the next sentence laud them for their prowess in "destroying something in a spectacular fashion"?

      Or are you one of those /.ers who think that simply wiping your hands across the keyboard causes it to spew out well-articulated wisdom?

    4. Re:Motive of initial investment by Miseph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps he was implying that the people directly responsible for destroying things in spectacular fashion (read: the actual troops) are very competent at doing so, but that as one gets further away from that job description (read: officers, chain of command) one also gets further away from competence. In other words, it's a bunch of guys who are really competent at breaking stuff who are horribly mismanaged and frequently tasked to things which involve not breaking things.

      That's pretty much the same story I've heard from all of my military (former and current) friends.

      --
      Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
  26. The REAL problem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is not telepresence. The problem is that government employees are generally not paid by merit. They're generally unionized, which means we, the taxpayers, pay more, get less, and get to line the pockets of organized crime to boot.

    The first step to efficiency is to actually implement an effective discipline system for government employees. Then, once we fire the incompetent ones, we can divide up their pay, give it to the competent ones, and all of a sudden it would actually be an honorable career to work for the government.

  27. Why Government Employees Make Less... by Bastardchyld · · Score: 1

    First off. This whole article is just FUD. This is not the tracking of citizenry. This is simply a replacement for the pager.

    Why Government Employees Make Less...

    1. Pension. Government Employees earn a pension. Basically if you retire after 20 years you make 25%-up of the average of the last three years salaries. This is every year for the rest of your life. This varies greatly based on how long you work before retirement. To figure numbers for yourself take the last three years salaries average them. Take 1% (unless you are over 62 then use 1.1%) of that number and multiply that by your years of service. This is your annual benefit for the the rest of your life. http://www.opm.gov/fers_election/ri_90/f_bbp.htm#r o
    2. Job Security. As a government employee your job is extremely stable. I have worked with many a government employee who needed to be fired. Even the supervisors cannot fire. Basically you don't get fired, you might get stuck in a horrible job. But short of commiting a crime your job is safe.
    3. Lack of Productivity. This is purely anecdotal, but most government employees are nowhere near as productive as their salary gives them credit for. Now this is not always because the employee is lazy or whatever. It is a systemic problem that allows for the breeding of this kind of laziness and ineptitude. By the way I used to work in this system so I know a few things about it.

    --
    $diff terrorists hippies
    $
    $rm -rf *terrorists *hippies
  28. Ths is like the local taxi industry with gps by sr180 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They gps enabled all of the local taxi industry's fleet. All taxis are tracked at all times and jobs are handed out according to the position of the closest vehicle.

    So what do the cab drivers do? Stop in the most profitable area, and remove the gps antenna from the car. The system assumes the cab's gps signal is blocked by a building and further assumes that the car is in the same location. The cab driver then goes home, to the pub, where ever, and waits for the jobs that he wants to come up.

    To think that employees wont do similar things with this system is naive.

    --
    In Soviet Russia the insensitive clod is YOU!
    1. Re:Ths is like the local taxi industry with gps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what do the cab drivers do? Stop in the most profitable area, and remove the gps antenna from the car. The system assumes the cab's gps signal is blocked by a building and further assumes that the car is in the same location. The cab driver then goes home, to the pub, where ever, and waits for the jobs that he wants to come up.

      I don't know where you live, but in many cities, cab drivers are not employees, they are owner-operators or they rent the cab for an 8 hour shift. The behaviour you describe (going home, going to the pub) won't lead to very much income for that shift. If you spoof the gps to appear where you aren't, that will lead to disgruntled customers since it will take a long time for you to show up and pick up your fare: either no tip, or the customer will take another cab.

      The prime victim in the scenarios you describe is the cab driver.

  29. A million dollars! Straight to the bottom line! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dilbert-PHB-type managers always believe that if they could cut down the lunch hour to 59 minutes, so that everyone worked 481 minutes but only got paid 480, they would be getting 0.208334% higher productivity, which in a company with 10,000 employees earning an average salary of $50,000 translates to over a million dollars... straight to the bottom line!

    It never seems to occur to them that those employees might waste another minute a day in retaliation for the cheap chiseling...

  30. All your phones are belong to the feds by soren100 · · Score: 1

    'They want to be in contact with them at all times.' 24/7 contact has been perfected since around 1997 -- with cell phones and pagers everyone is pretty much always in contact now unless they specifically choose not to be. So that purpose can't have anything to with the need for "presence technologies" and is most likely a red herring to mislead people from the true purpose of the technology. The surveillance aspect is separate from just contacting employees, and seems to be where the focus really is.

    What people don't know is that cell phones already have sophisticated built-in surveillance systems that work even when the phones seem to be off

    A 16-year-old girl in Washington state, her mother, aunt, and friends, are going through a nightmare right now with a stalker recording conversations through the cell phone mic and viewing their actions through the cell phone camera even when the phone seemed to be off. Covering the camera lens with tape and taking out the battery from the phone seems to be the only defenses that work.

    from the article:

    According to James M. Atkinson, a Massachusetts-based expert in counterintelligence who has advised the U.S. Congress on security issues, its not that hard to take remote control of a wireless phone. You do not have to have a strong technical background for someone to do this, he said Tuesday. They probably have a technically gifted kid who probably is in their neighborhood.


    If cell phone surveillance is so easy to abuse, then our intelligence agencies are probably abusing it.

    What would be the best tool to track large numbers of US Citizens ("terrorists?") at once? "Presence Technologies" would make it very easy to abuse whole groups of people at once. The FBI made secret tapes of Martin Luther King to discredit him, then made preparations to promote someone "to assume the role of leadership of the Negro people when King has been completely discredited".

    Once the technology is perfected, it won't be any harder to add to all the cell phones in the US than the remote listening capabilities were. Tools like this would reduce the amount of manpower it would need to track many thousands of people at once, and make recordings to privately threaten them with when necessary. Projects like the defunct "Total Information Awareness" demonstrate the desire of the government to know "everything" about it's citizens.

    Wired magazine predicted all this in 2001 .

    Because if it can be abused, it will.
  31. Trent Reznor was right! by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1
    The Presence is coming, unless you don't want it.

    shame on us doomed from the start
    may god have mercy
    on our dirty little hearts
    shame on us
    for all we have done
    and all we ever were
    just zeros and ones

    --"Zero Sum" by Nine Inch Nails
    --
    The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
  32. Perfect for the insecure control freak by Whuffo · · Score: 1
    Wanting to keep tabs on every employee every minute is the mark of someone who does not trust his employees at all. The reason he doesn't trust them is because he's not trustworthy himself, knows it, and insecure in his position.

    Providing these misfits with technology that fulfills their wishes will lead to a long line of labor abuses. Not just now, but for years to come. Once the technology is in place, the maladjusted "boss" types will find it irresistable.

    What a horrible idea.

  33. I work for the DoT by MasaMuneCyrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work for the Department of Transportation as an intern and I can vouch that they are definitely trying to keep tabs on EVERYTHING that you do. We have a ridiculous database that crashes every day that we have to 'create a new task' in every time we change what we're working on. They're very insistent on it, despite the fact that we could be working on 10 different things at the same time -- and the system only allows one task at a time.

    The system in place takes more time up just using it than it's worth. If a manager wants to know what an employee is working on, they should stop by or call the employee's damn office phone. Forcing the employee to detail everything that they're doing at any given time is time-consuming and often times impossible.

    1. Re:I work for the DoT by SDuensin · · Score: 1

      Oh man. I worked for DOT. Run. Run very fast. I've never seen so many people "playing office" in my entire life. That we even have roads amazes me.

  34. Where's Waldo? by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 0, Troll

    Just because you have a utopian view of big government as a benevolent big brother or, at worst, a bumbling conglomerate of incompetent old men, doesn't make it so. The outcomes of the vast majority of actions taken by the federal government over the last 150 years indicate that you have a enormous pair of blinders attached to your head.

    --
    the NPG electrode was replaced with carbon blac
    1. Re:Where's Waldo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you have a utopian view of big government as a benevolent big brother or, at worst, a bumbling conglomerate of incompetent old men, doesn't make it so.

      And just because you have yet ANOTHER conspiracy theory about how the government is out to get everyone doesn't make it so either - you have yet to offer one iota of concrete evidence for your claims. Then again, you don't seem to understand that evidence is required to prove an assertion, probably a holdover from your religious mythology and indoctrination (combined with a general inability to think rationally). Your drug habit could also be playing a part in this deficiency.

    2. Re:Where's Waldo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because your momma dresses you funny doesn't give you any good reason to follow the parent around the 'net and harangue them endlessly. What is your major malfunction, fucktard?

    3. Re:Where's Waldo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because your momma...
      Aww, a yo-momma joke. How quaint. Even if we took your statement to be true, the simple fact remains that my mother loves me, and would help me out of a hard situation. What has your mother done for you lately? Oh wait, she hates you for being an asshole child, and left you to rot in the streets.

      ...follow the parent around the 'net...
      Who said anything about following anyone? And stop trying to act like you're not the parent, Hopeless, its too-obviously you.

      ...harangue them...
      I just calls 'em like I see's 'em.

  35. Wow - you all don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government does not monitor it's employees - most of the time. They use firewall filters and such to monitor "bad" web surfing - each agency defines bad on their own. Some are proactive and block sites, others report users for porn and some for the amount of time/bandwidth (but that is rare). They use some email filters to check for bad words or classified info...but not too many places do this...

    Most federal work environments are covered by union rules. These unions ensure the workplace rules do not allow for active monitoring of employee activities. They are often negotiated at the agency level (not one set of rules throughout government). In fact, one case management system built for the government locks managers out of the employee work areas so they can't monitor progress - under union rules. In another instance - the FBI guy who spied - Robert Hanssen - was actually able to log into the FBI records system and search for info about himself ("dead drop", KGB, his neighborhood). Were they watching him then? No. (P.S. Last I heard that system still uses green screens for an interface - but they do search the log files now).

    As for privacy it is a two edged sword...you all don't want government workers to have privacy on their machines. Their work product is often official records that can be obtained through FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests showing how decisions are made or what events actually transpired.

    The REAL push in the federal government to know where the employees are and when started after the OKC bombing - when some federal agencies didn't know if they had employees ASSIGNED to the building - much less present that day (and federal agencies were very embarrased in the press - which is how you get change in the government). MANY federal agencies spent a lot of money developing processes, policies and databases of employee locations after that.... 9/11 only re-inforced this issue...now agencies have "survival lockers" in federal buildings with items for disasters and such...and want to know how to contact them in real time to alert them to dangers. And then Katrina...similar story how many employees were in that office, did they evacuate, where are they now, when are they coming back - the gov't didn't know.

    In addition, information sharing and collaboration are primary concerns in the intel and law enforcement arena. These often require real time presence awareness in crisis situations.

    As for the rest of us - the emergency broadcast system will work fine ;-)

  36. Aren't Nextel walkie-talkies what they want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chirrrp! "Where you at?"
    "Where you at?"
    "I know where I'm at, where you at?"

    And thus, the government knows where their employees are "at" at all times.

  37. And now phones come with GPS built in by caluml · · Score: 1

    And now phones come with GPS built in, it would only take a little Java app, a website, and some AJAX to glue it all together.

  38. Beam me up by n3tcat · · Score: 1

    So how long before this translates into the comm badges from Star Trek? Will I have to wear one of these things on my ACUs in Iraq?

    Interesting implications as far as the warfighter is concerned. I can't really see any true benefits for the civilian sector though.

  39. 'Chippie Says "Get your ID Chip Now!"' by docwatson223 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, RFID implants anyone? /sigh...

  40. Snow Crash by tSade · · Score: 1

    In Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash, there is a scene that it reminds me. Reading the rules for efficiency every morning to see what changes. Giving an average reading time for a document, which is a no-win scenario. She ends up scrolling down to read the times, then scans through it, scrolling back as if she was reading it to give the computer the impression she actually cared. There were other aspects of the US government from that book that also reminded me of the real-time presence indicators.

    --
    --- My novel, The Mummy's Girl is now for sa
  41. Captian Picard... by karlandtanya · · Score: 1

    ...is not aboard the Enterprise.

    --
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
  42. Comming soon, 27b-6! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see "presence" technology as yet another admission by current leaders of there corruption and incompetence. One doesn't need digital leashes on ones employees to get them to work. I've found most people in government want to work and work hard but that it is the corruption of an entrenched few, squatting on resources with the ability to say "NO" that are the problem. God, the paperwork they spew to deflect progress is as bad as the 27b-6's that devoured Harry Tuttle.
    Because of these trolls controlling the gates of regulation, any fresh, new enthusiastic, idealistic employee soon gets worn down to suffer the low buzzing malaise of our Byzantine bureaucracy.
    The problem with our government is "Stasis", the overwhelming weight of controls sucking leadership, innovation and the entire nation down to skew the representative curve promoting special, power interest's side avenues of access by way of money, connection and brute litigative force.
    Presence technology is just another tool of the corrupt socialist collective mindset, wielding anarcho tyranny to batter the less powerful into deeper slavery while the elite laugh all the way to bank. The concept is morally and philosophically bankrupt going against all the fundamental ideals that make up the foundations of the US declaration of Independence, Constitution and centuries of Western libertarian philosophy.
    What is so funny about all this is that one simply needs only to continually fire the lazy bastard trolls when caught squatting on resources to fix the whole issue. Then again, that would run contrary to seventy years of the Socialist collectives, divide and conquer, disarmament, peace at any price, enforced fairness, big government, poisoning of western libertarian philosophy.
    Nobody seems willing to starve the government beast, to fight that bloody civil war just yet.

  43. Easy answer by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 0

    Just loking the break room. Government employees are the most inefficient workers in the world.

  44. You still have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no life. Do you make any original contribution to the world at all or does your entire life revolve around calling on others?

    1. Re:You still have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have plenty of life - I do what I enjoy, and that includes calling out (not on) trolls. Do you make any contributions at all to the world, original or otherwise, or does your entire life revolve around mooching off of others and living off the leftovers of society?

      Once again, another baseless claim from HomelessInLaJolla.

    2. Re:You still have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you enjoy being one of the most revolting slugs in the world with nothing better to do than make a nuisance of yourself?

    3. Re:You still have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, sir, is a matter of opinion. Some might say I'm doing the internet a favor by confronting those who spread misinformation (deliberately or otherwise).

    4. Re:You still have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some might say I'm doing the internet a favor by confronting those who spread misinformation (deliberately or otherwise).

      Yes, you are doing the world a favor when you expose HomelessInLaJolla as the lame troll he is. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!