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The British Steam Car Challenge

Van Cutter Romney sends us word of a British steam-powered car that will attempt to set a world record speed of 200 mph. The car, constructed on a tubular chassis, holds four boilers that deliver four megawatts of power, producing 300 bhp. The current record of 127.659 mph was established in 1906. More photos and specs at the Steam Car Club of Great Britain's site.

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  1. 4MW? by mastershake_phd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    4 mega watts? You could power a small town with that.

    1. Re:4MW? by DuckDodgers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a one-off car set to break a performance record, not an attempt at an efficient mass production vehicle.

      Read wikipedia. Steam cars died primarily because they were high maintenance and required several minutes' time to build steam before they could move. Internal combustion engines had a lower risk of rust or damage from freezing and could be started and driven immediately. Inconvenience killed the steam car, not inefficiency.

    2. Re:4MW? by JesseL · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Steam engines are obsolete? WTF?

      How do you get electricity out of your nuclear power plant?

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  2. Re:Steam isn't an energy source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Your point is moot.

    And where does the electricity come from?

    Coal - oh so it's a coal powered car.

    Steam is an energy source - as in it is something that contains usable energy.

  3. Re:Damned inefficient by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Precisely why the internal combustion engine was developed. The IC engine is far more efficient in comparison.

    This challenge is nothing more than novelty. Nothing wrong with that, I would love to be a spectator at this event.

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  4. Pointless by GrahamCox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's the point of this? Steam reached the peak of its development for transportation in the 1920s. Thermodynamically you can't do much better than 25% efficiency and that's with all the technology you can muster. More typically you only get 10%. The focus for engineers should be transportation that doubles car efficiency to 60 - 70%. Not halves it.

  5. Yeah! by Silverlock · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Like, totally tubular, man!

  6. Not really a steam car. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This article is pointless. This is not a steam car in the conventional sense, as it does not burn coal. It would be a poor match to put a LPG vehicle against a coal-powered one for a record that has stood for a hundred years. Then again, it is an easy target for a world record, so there you go.

    1. Re:Not really a steam car. by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would be a poor match to put a LPG vehicle against a coal-powered one for a record that has stood for a hundred years.

      The heat source for a steam engine is pretty irrelevant, especially for the couple of minutes it takes for a speed record run. All you need is anything that burns and enough draft to make a big enough fire.

      Some gas turbines have been powered by an air/coal-dust mixture. That approach is hopped up enough to run a jet engine, but is still "coal-powered". Would you disqualify that as well?

    2. Re:Not really a steam car. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The water in the engine doesn't have to be potable though, so that argument is kind of weak.

  7. Re:Damned inefficient by the_weasel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yep. Damn silence used to blanket the world like a fog. Thank god modern progress has defeated the awful quiet. We have driven it away with beeps, honks, bangs, rings and clashes. I don't know how I would sleep without the gentle lullaby of the cooling fans....

    Sarcasm naturally (it is my specialty!).

    If I had a sniper rifle, every last son of a bitch with a Harley modded for sound would have it shot out from under them as they rounded the corner to my house. I don't accept the "It's so other cars can hear me coming" excuse either. I have been riding motorcycles for decades, and the best way to do that is to drive like everyone around you is out to get you.

    We have allowed our world to become polluted with more than just chemicals - we let the noise in too. I am willing to bet it has as much an impact on our long term health.

    [RANT OFF]

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  8. 1906 speed more impressive. by stimpleton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The current record of 127.659 mph was established in 1906"

    Actually, from TFA, the accepted speed was 121.57mph over one kilometer.

    Regardless, I am very, very impressed by the above.

    With the advent of better machining, lighter materials, and vastly better bearing and bushing technology etc of today, this makes the 1906 record all the more incredible.

    I am going to make a fairly spectacular statement. This small team, in 1906, was as clever as the 14 person combined team that is doing the current days project.

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  9. Team credentials / engineering. by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's interesting all the people they list at the end with their credentials. However, someone with experience at designing high capacity high pressure boilers is noteable by his absence from the list. (The heat exchangers listed in one fellow's brief biography are almost, but not quite the same thing.)
     
    One of the pictures on another page shows the water becoming superheated steam inside one of the boilers - seemingly in the last of the four boilers. Though much depends on the exact layout of the tubes in their boiler, normally superheaters are behind a wall of other tubes. It is very easy to overheat a superheater - leading to tube failure.
     
    But most interestingly - there is no steam seperator between the water tubes and the superheater. This will make it easier (trivial in fact) for a slug of water to reach the turbine if things go pear shaped.

  10. Re:Damned inefficient by xero314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The IC engine was developed as a replacement for steam powered piston locomotion and paddle wheel boating (think river boats on the Mississippi)...But if you think running a steam turbine in an automobile is far more efficient than an IC, you're mistaken That's a much better comment that the previous one I was responding too. The car under discussion is powered by a two stage turbine engine, not a steam piston and there for pointing out the history or efficiency of the steam piston engine is moot. Regardless to any of that, my original statement still stands, that stating IC is more efficient that steam is a gross generalization, since you even back that up by stating you were comparing a subset of steam power converters to general Internal Combustion.
  11. where'd the 4 megawatts go? by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    4 megawatts is 5.2 THOUSAND horsepower. If the turbine were 28% efficient, should be over a 1,400 bhp car.