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Sun Super Computer May Hit 2 Petaflops

Fletcher writes to tell us that Sun Microsystems has revealed their "Constellation System", a new supercomputing platform that the company hopes will put them back in the running for top dog in the supercomputer race. "The linchpin in the system is the switch, the piece of hardware that conducts traffic between the servers, memory and data storage. Code-named Magnum, the switch comes with 3,456 ports, a larger-than-normal number that frees up data pathways inside these powerful computers. 'We are looking at a factor-of-three improvement over the current best system at an equal number of nodes," said Andy Bechtolsheim, chief architect and senior vice president of the systems group at Sun. "We have been somewhat absent in the supercomputer market in the last few years.'"

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  1. Good to see! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Great job Sun!

    Once again you have shown us the power of talent, determination, and skill.

    Rock Rock On!

  2. "We have been somewhat absent..." by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So Bechtolsheim says Sun has been "somewhat absent" from the supercomputer market in the last few years. OK, I'll bite. Exactly what markets has Sun been going gangbusters in since about 1999?

    Still, kudos to Sun, for real. Investors may get mad that Sun is full of terrific technology and solid R&D but can't seem to build the business model that will let Sun capitalize on it all. But from my perspective... God, that sounds almost refreshing, doesn't it?

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    1. Re:"We have been somewhat absent..." by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think when Sun talks about supercomputing it's really talking about HPC/grid-type systems.

      FWIW, that's where Sun sees its future. Which makes sense. There's no point trying to compete with Linux for low-end applications (and by "low-end" I mean everything from desktops to simple Web-app servers). Sun has always been good at crafting products for that top 2% of customers who really, really need that high-availability or high-performance component that isn't going to make a difference for the other 98%. And Sun can charge for them.

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    2. Re:"We have been somewhat absent..." by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly what markets has Sun been going gangbusters in since about 1999? Web app servers. For a lot of web app type workloads, the T1 blows everything away in terms of power per watt and power per dollar.
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    3. Re:"We have been somewhat absent..." by billcopc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I second that. Sun's product line is very aggressive for SMB gear. They don't stray much into the supercomputing arena because it's a whole other ballgame, but for high-end "common" servers and workstations, they offer some pretty serious bang for the buck. In that light, they compete in the same segments as Dell's Poweredge line, or HP's Proliant. Medium iron as opposed to big iron. Server gear for the rest of us who aren't on the Fortune 50 :)

      I fell in love with Sun when I first laid my hands on a Sun Fire V40z, 8 cores of AMD goodness in a small box, but half the price of a competing Dell system.

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    4. Re:"We have been somewhat absent..." by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except that, in the long run, the platform of choice for the HPC/high-availability/high-high-peformance market is turning out to be Linux, thanks to IBM and it's HPC business.

      Ha, well, yes, there is that. Only I wouldn't lie it completely at IBM's feet. After all, IBM is pretty much the only mainframe vendor still around. They have a vested interest in selling that kind of supercomputer, even though they've obviously seen the writing on the wall for their mainframe business.

      Outside the commercial sector, though, I think a lot of the HPC stuff is happening on Linux because a lot of the breakthroughs in this area are coming from universities and government-sponsored research, rather than private companies. A closed, proprietary OS isn't going to cut it here. (Interesting how Sun recently open sourced Solaris, isn't it?)

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  3. Slow improvements finally paying off by drspliff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With Sun's slow improvements in the multi-core arena (the T1 & T2 systems) and their low power requirements their probably in for a good run at the top 10-20 spots on the Top 500 list.

    Consider 500 top-end T2 systems hooked up to some very fast switching hardware and you're performance per wattage ratio are going to be very persuasive to those running big data centers, although with the T1 systems the only thing which stopped us adopting them was the shared FPU (telephony codec transcoding sucks on them).

    Could we see suns equivalent of IBM's BlueGene system appearing next year? I definitely think so :)

  4. Re:IBM Blue Gene/P by flaming-opus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    yeah, there are a lot of systems out there with theoretical limits of several petaflops. Cray, IBM, NEC, even SGI have systems that could theoretically hit several PFlops if you had enough money.

    I'm waiting to see a customer actually purchase one, and for it to be installed, and actually running customer code, before I really care.

  5. Blue Gene Vs. Constellation by flaming-opus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bechtolsheim compares 131,000 cores of Blue Gene/L to 131,000 cores of constellation, with the sun system offering 3 times the performance.

    This is hardly a fair comparison. IBM installed a 131,000 core BG/L 2 years ago, and it's been running customer code for more than a year. The sun system won't be built until late this year, and probably won't be running real customer code until this time next year. Furthermore, the BG/L machine is designed with a low-power node, assuming that a larger number of cores would be used. In IBM's older BG/L design, there are 2048 cores in a rack. Sun is packing 768 opteron cores in a rack. So a per square-meter measure gives IBM's 3 year old design only a 20% disadvantage to Sun's not-yet-released machine.

    All of that is moot, of course, as theoretical peak performance is a crappy way to measure supercomputer performance anyway. The opteron is a great processor, and infinaband is a decent, though not remarkable interconnect. I'd be a little concerned, were I to buy the sun solution, that the infinaband bandwidth is being shared by 16 processor cores. That's quite a bit less interconnect performance per processor than IBM's Blue Gene, power5, Cray's XT, or SGI's altix. There's certainly plenty of memory on each of these constellation blades. That said, there are a list of applications that perform very well on Blue Gene, and Sun has a lot of ground to make up in terms of OS, software, and establishing a relationship with the HPC customers.

    It's nice to have more options, however.