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National ID May Have Killed Immigration Bill
News.com reports that the immigration reform bill bouncing around in the Senate for the last few weeks has finally been defeated. The site speculates that, perhaps, one of the reasons it was finally defeated was a measure intended to expand the use of Real ID cards. If passed, the bill would have effectively turned the Real ID system into a National ID card. "The American Civil Liberties Union, another longtime foe of Real ID, said the Real ID requirements were a 'poison pill that derailed this bill, and any future legislation should be written knowing the American people won't swallow it.' Another section of the immigration bill would have given $1.5 billion to state officials to pay for Real ID compliance. Even if the immigration bill is goes nowhere, however, the Real ID Act is still in effect. It says, starting on May 11, 2008, Americans will need a federally-approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments or take advantage of nearly any government service." As we've discussed before, several states have rebelled against the implementation of Real ID.
And the trains always ran on time in Nazi Germany.. I hate give reason to invoke Godwin's Law here but this is on topic.
Every time the government aims to make things "more efficient" or "easier", ask yourself this: Would you prefer an efficient Third Reich or a slow bureaucratic one?
How much evil do you really want an administration to be able to enact in a single term?
How we know is more important than what we know.
I think amnesty is a misused word here, because the penalties for being here illegally don't go away. Amnesty is total forgiving of debt / crime, but the immigration bill has a very steep fine that I think is impossible to pay on a typical illegal immigrant's wages. In short, I really don't think this illegal immigration bill changes anything other than thicken the law books, so I really don't understand why there's a tug of war on this, except to be a distraction from actually doing anything useful.
It's kind of a shame that certain political groups try to derail it by misusing loaded words. I know this is typical for politics, but it sounds pretty retarted.
Yes, it is. Instead, it is the blind trust in government (any government) that is not really rational. Governments go bad. Given enough time, just about every government will go bad. The idea that "democracy" or some other scheme of the moment is magically immune to change (or that any such changes will be magically beneficial) is not really rational. Just because your silly ideas are shared by a large number of other foolish people doesn't make it any less silly.
The US has this deeply embedded association of mandatory, national ID cards with Hitler or Stalin.
Yes, we do. Because giving government power beyond what is absolutely necessary is a stupid idea. They WILL misuse it; it's what governments do. Unlike Europeans, Americans don't have the luxury of letting our government go bad knowing that some richer, stronger nation will come and bail us out of the consequences of our stupidity.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a
And you can go read the actual legislation here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s.03
Please please please, get informed. Everytime you parrot out another talking point, you just sound more ignorant of the actual truth.
"We'll need 2000 crickets, 4 cans of Easy Cheese, and the fluid from 18 glowsticks for this plan to work...." - ph0n1c
I'm sure he got an apology from that. Besides, wasn't that 5 months after the attacks?
"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson
They're just looking for work to support their families and buy some booze and video games on weekends.
What has this got to do with white trash (by the way, you left out the tractor-pulls)? Wait - now that I re-read the sentence, you cant be talking about white trash or you wouldnt have put in the words 'looking for work'.
By definition, if Americans refuse to work in your job, you aren't offering enough money for it. That is how capitalism works, and it is the cheapskates hiring illegals who are driving down the living wage and options for advancement for the American poor.
By definition, if youre asking for wages no one will pay you, you arent worth what you think you are and so a competitor who asks for less will get the work, whether they are illegal or not. ~Thats~ how capitalism works, you disgusting fucking piece of shit.
It might be easier to hire the american poor if the american poor were worth hiring, but most mexicans can and will out-work an economically equal american any goddamn day of the week. The modern 'American work ethic' consists of getting politicians to make laws to force everyone to buy your shit so that you dont have to break a fucking sweat competing with others.
legally and for the same wage that I would get at that position, so they can compete on merit, and the price of labor doesn't get driven down
Are you fucking retarded? Your wage is based on your merit. How the fuck can you compete on merit and yet make the same fucking wage??? All else being equal, if your competition has more 'merit', then your competition will have a greater wage.
If an illegal mexican can get a job that you cant get that means he has more perceived 'merit' than you do you disgusting fuck.
You are a classic example of why I am all for open borders - youre just another pretentious lazy piece of shit who wants to use the govt to restrict peoples freedom of choice so that you dont actually have to compete.
You are a good example of what ~really~ lies at the bottom of this anti-immigration bullshit: pathetic, fat, bloated, disgusting goddamn Protectionism. Only the incompetant need be afraid of competition, you wad of soiled toilet paper. Incompetance is a choice, not a condition. Apparently the choice of many of americas 'poor'.
There is only one response that can be made to a biological organism that wants other biological organisms to use force to force yet other biological organisms to carry the first on their backs:
Fuck You.