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Allofmp3 Shut Down, Again

studguy1 writes to tell us TorrentFreak is reporting that the Russian government has shut down Allofmp3, the popular online music site. "AllOfMP3 has been a thorn in the side of the RIAA and the US government for years. Last year, U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab said that if Russia wants to join the WTO, they should shut down the pirate music website that is robbing US recording companies of sales."

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  1. No Big Deal by sam_paris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In actuality, most people stopped using Allofmp3 when it became virtually impossible to pay, some months ago. (when Visa pulled the plug)

    The rather more substantial thorn in the record industrys side is now iTunes and Apple.

    1. Re:No Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's probably why allofmp3.com is now mp3Sparks.com, including the same logins/passwords and the same typos in the track names and album titles.

    2. Re:No Big Deal by Harik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      except despite having spent hundreds of dollars at allofmp3, they never did transfer my account (or balance) to the new site. And they don't take any form of payment, either. They should get into linden dollars or e-gold or something goofy and obviously money-laundering like that.

      I mean, hell, how the fuck do offshore casinos move cash around?

  2. Re:Bribery? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't that bribery?

    More like extortion.

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  3. Re:robbing == theft by YouTookMyStapler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "AllOfMP3 has been a thorn in the side of the RIAA and the US government for years. Last year, U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab said that if Russia wants to join the WTO, they should shut down the pirate music website that is robbing US recording companies of sales."

    The RIAA is robbing itself of legitimate music sales because the recording companies can't be bothered to put music out that is actually worth paying for. Now they have taken to bullying countries for admission into the WTO.

    When I was younger, I almost always bought the newest albums, because the music was good, or at least I thought so. Nowadays I still buy music, a majority from indy labels. I buy CDs, I don't like the idea of buying music online that can't be burned onto a CD as a back-up due to DRM controls. I guess I am just more particular of what I buy these days, mostly because I don't want to pay $15 for an album that is crap (which describes most, but not all, of new music today).
  4. Re:And once they stop "robbing" RIAA, sales go up? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The thing about AllOfMP3 was that it showed the marginal cost of running an online store. Even if we assume that AllOfMP3 was not paying anything to the recording industry, and not making any profit, they must still have been covering their bandwidth costs. Now, add on to that roughly what the RIAA pays artists, and you get something like 10-20/track as the minimum cost of running a fair music store. Then they can look at iTunes selling tracks for $1.29 (without DRM), and suddenly realise that $1 of every track they buy is going to middle men who aren't providing any service of value to them.

    There isn't much a customer can do about this, but there is a lot an artist can do when they do the same sums. This is why the RIAA members want AllOfMP3 shut down. It shows exactly how much profit they are raking in from online sales to exactly the people they don't want to know; the ones they claim to represent.

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  5. Re:Countdown until AoMP3 reappears in China/Brasil by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just tried to pay using my Visa. It works.

  6. Re:Countdown until AoMP3 reappears in China/Brasil by adona1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Especially as seeing as the RIAA wasn't collecting the royalties that Allofmp3.com claimed to be setting aside, the artists weren't getting paid anyway

    You may as well just download the various format torrents from TPB....the artist will get the same as they were anyway, your CC will be safe and you won't have to maintain the pretence that paying tuppence to a pseudo-legal site was legitimately buying the music ;)

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  7. Re:And once they stop "robbing" RIAA, sales go up? by shark72 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "allofmp3 WAS legitimate in Russia. It paid royalties to ROMS, the Russian organization responsible for collecting copyright fees. The RIAA simply didn't like ROMS' rates and structures (even though Russia, as a sovereign nation, has every right to set its own royalties), and declared allofmp3 illegal."

    Well, for what it's worth, ROMS isn't recognized by any of the world's performance licensing groups. Whether that's a badge of honor or a shame is, as the math texts state, an exercise left to the reader.

    Contrary to popular belief, the cost of sale of a music download usually isn't zero. There are mechanical royalties to the composer and lyricist to deal with (the mechanical rate is set by law), and there are usually contractual royalties as well, paid to the performer. Record companies have tricks for minimizing these royalties, but it's a safe assumption that for a typical track sold on iTunes, mechanical and contractual royalties are being accrued.

    Now, let's say you're a record company. For the sake of simplicity let's say you're one of the cool indie labels, and you pay your artists fairly. One track you sell has a mechanical of $0.08 each to the composer and lyricist, and you're throwing the rest of the band an additional $0.04, for a total of $0.20 that you owe to the artists for each track sold.

    So this ROMS outfit tells you that you can have a portion of the licensing fee that they've collected, if you really want it. The web site sold your track for $0.20, for which they paid ROMS $0.02. ROMS takes their cut, so that penny is ready for you to take whenever you want it.

    Trouble is, if you take that penny, you still owe the band $0.20. If you take it and don't pay them their $0.20 (for a net loss of $0.19 to you), the best case is that they'll be mightily (and rightfully) pissed. The worst case is that they'll find themselves a lawyer.

    So, you eat the difference. ROMS says that they've collected royalties for 10,000 downloads and they owe you $100. You take the $100 and pay your band the $2,000 they're owed. You're out $1,900.

    And then ROMS tells you that they have another $100 for you. And another. And another.

    My story is hypothetical; mainly for the very big reason that artist who've tried to get sales info from allofmp3.com have failed in their quest. Yes, I am aware that AllofMP3 stated that they supported artists' rights, but they could have at least shared this basic sales data, just as iTunes and legitimate stores do. And, if you try surfing the ROMS site for information on how to collect royalties, it quickly becomes frustrating, even if you speak Russian. Compare this with the two US performance right societies, ASCAP and BMI -- they go out of their way to make it easy for artists to find out how much they are owed. I know that lots of people reading this see ROMS and allofmp3 as the good guys in this situation, but it's just not showing from their actions.

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  8. Re:Countdown until AoMP3 reappears in China/Brasil by uolamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The WTO seems to be the main reason countries bother stopping piracy, when they are extorted enough to do it. But China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc is still on their members list. I dont even know what the WTO does, I dont care, I just wish they would cease to exist.

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  9. Re:Soo... by Skreems · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When US record companies see no positive impact in sales, will Russia be allowed to let allofmp3 reopen?

    Because, for some reason I find myself really doubting that people that were paying pennies for songs are going to suddenly turn around and start paying an order of magnitude more.
    Actually, I bought at least 10 albums in the last year that I wouldn't have if I hadn't downloaded the whole thing on allofmp3 first. As well as several shows that I've gone to, enjoyed, bought a t-shirt at, etc...
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