Slashdot Mirror


Is RIAA's Linares Affidavit Technically Valid?

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In support of its ex parte, 'John Doe,' discovery applications against college students, the RIAA has been using a declaration by its 'Anti-Piracy' Vice President Carlos Linares (PDF) to show the judge that it has a good copyright infringement case against the 'John Does.' A Boston University student has challenged the validity of Mr. Linares's declaration, and the RIAA is fighting back. Would appreciate the Slashdot community's take on the validity of Mr. Linares's 'science.'"

11 of 260 comments (clear)

  1. "Individual"?? by paxundae · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The term "individual" isn't valid, but legally it may be close enough. IANAL. An IP address where files are available is identified, not an individual. That IP address may represent a single traditional computer system, a series of computers behind a router, or even an open wireless access point. The fact that you can trace activity to an IP address does not mean you can trace activity to an actual real person. You can figure out who pays for access to the internet using that IP address, but that doesn't necessarily mean that much. However, legally, it may, if the duty to ensure that an IP address is not used for illegal activities rests with the person who pays the subscription fee instead of the person who uses the address. This may be reasonable...those who pay for access are probably the least cost avoiders (actually, the ISPs may be the least cost avoiders, but we don't want them shutting down every service they can detect).

  2. Inaccurate statements by Sparr0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In point 12, an IP network is compared to the phone network, and it is stated that only one computer can use each [implied: visible] IP at a time. Given the prevalence of NAT, this is not only technically untrue but also quite reliably false.

    In point 12, it is stated that an ISP or college can identify the user of an IP address. This is untrue as the "user" could be no more than a MAC address, which can change. And even if true, the context seems to imply that this remains true in hindsight, which is false unless logs are kept.

    Point 15 states that human review is involved in the case of EACH infringer, which is blatantly untrue given the history of automated (and wrong) cease and desist letters.

    1. Re:Inaccurate statements by MechaBlue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The last sentence of point 7 is false. In the days before Napster, a variety of other means were used. One was to submit a list of files to a centralized search engine, which would allow users to find materials on the computers of others. Modern P2P programs provide substantial improvements around usability and performance; however, the functionality that they provide was available and in common use pre-P2P boom.

      Item 8 states that the majority of the traffic on P2P is pirated material and also implies that the "vast majority" of content shared via P2P is pirated audio. Is there data to back this up? I suspect that video, photos, and programs (e.g., games) makes up a large amount of illegal P2P traffic. It feels like a rhetorical device used to paint the RIAA as a tragic victim.

      Item 9 is incorrect. The ISP can not know who the infringers are. They can only know whose account is attached to that IP number. NAT routers are a possible workaround. Also, some services allow for multiple simultaneous IP addresses. For example, Telus requires that visible MAC addresses be registered.

      By registering 2 MAC addresses, Telus will let users have two IPs at once. If Alan has a single NAT router connected, that leaves 1 free registration slot. If Bob, someone completely unknown to Alan, were to get the username and password for Alan's account, it would be possible for Bob to register his NAT router to Alan's account. If Alan only uses 1 device (i.e., 1 IP), there is a good chance that he'll never discover that Bob was piggybacking his account. If Alan needs the second IP, then he'll probably overwrite Bob's MAC without noticing there is a problem. Even if Alan notes that there is a problem, it's unlikely the MAC address could be traced to Bob because Bob could change the MAC address on his device and because of the difficulties of tracking the MAC address of a device from manufacturer to end user.

      Item 9 also feels like a rhetorical device used to paint the RIAA as a tragic victim. The scope and value of piracy is hotly debated. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070212-8813 .html

      Item 11 implies that searching is sufficient to tell if a file is a copyrighted song. This is not always the case; unless the file is downloaded, its contents can not be known. I think that "examines" needs to be rigorously defined. (This ties in with the parent's comments on item 15.)

      Item 12 assumes that computers are single user. This is not the case with most modern OSes. It would be possible for someone to log into an unsecured computer and use it for sharing files over P2P. The IP of the computer used to share via P2P may be known but the user can not be. It also assumes that the computer has not been compromised via malware.

      Item 14 states that files are downloaded. However, it does not provide any methodology for determining if the files contain copyrighted audio. Metadata can be falsified. How are logs created and handled? Are they screenshots? (This ties in with the parent's comments on item 15 again.)

      Item 16 states that "...the infringer's ISP quickly and easily can identify the computer from which the infringement occured...". It may be able to provide an IP address but that's not a sure thing (there have been past incidents where the wrong person was identified). They definitely can't prove that a MAC address belongs to a computer that is owned and controlled by the identified account holder. The MAC address is configurable. It's not possible for an IP address alone to be capable of identifying a computer, even if the IP is static.

      Adam decides to open his own business selling socks online and decides to house the server in his home. He upgrades his account to a server account with 1 static IP and sets up his business on that IP. After 3 months with no sales, Adam packs it in and downgrades his account after downloading the complete discography of NKOTB

  3. Re:Hey, I'll reply anyway. by banuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As opposed to your neighbor using your unprotected wireless access point to download files without your knowledge.

    Why does it have to be unsecured wireless? We all know how insecure WEP is and isn't it plausible that someone hacked your WEP? The key thing I'm trying to say is that you have to prove guilt. How can they prove it was my computer it could have been a hacked WEP and the only way they'd have access to my router is for them to hack ME.

  4. Ok, let's break it down. by spotter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IANAL or a law student, just a future CS phd (hopefully RSN).

    1) First Linares acknowledges that a route can have an IP address, then he says "Two computers cannot effectivly function if they are connected to the Internet with the same IP address".

    This is not true. i.e. routers and NAT. Multiple Computers can have the same effective IP address to the internet. While they can track it down to the NAT device, they cant go further.

    2) They assume the network provider maintains a log of IP addresses. This is not a given. A Good guess perhaps, but not a fact.

    3) While its good practice that they download files and humanly verify the contents, the list of files can't be verified to be all infringing content. Unless they actually downloaded said file themselves, its an assumption that the file is named/labeled correctly. He says this later when he says that it only "suggests" that there were many copyright files. (Not being a lawyer, don't know the implication).

    4) They claim an ISP can identify the computer being used. This is inaccurate. They can identify the customer, but most customers are behind routers (aka NAT) so they have no ability to identify which computer.

    5) They claim expedited discovery is "critical" to stopping piracy. I can't believe they believe that expiding discovery will have any dent on piracy.

    6) They claim that infringment of non public works greatly harms it when released, I believe there's evidence to the contrary (i.e. widely distributed albums have debuted at number 1 or other times higher then anyone expected).

    7) unsure why expidited discovery impacts if they can serve defendants. If it happens quickly or over a long period of time, what difference does it make?

    8) They now claim ISPs destroy logs, but if discovery is going on, are they allowed to?

  5. Re:Hey, I'll reply anyway. by Wavicle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It may be tied to a specific computer. Or a specific router / firewall. Or even a specific UNSECURED wireless access point.

    Agreed.

    Furthermore Mr. Linares knows, or should have known this is true. It would have been completely negligent for him not to do so. Wireless routers for home users which allow a single IP address to service 20+ individual computers and ship unsecured by default can be purchased at any electronics dealer, including Walmart, for less than $70.

    Furthermore Mr. Linares knows, or should have known, that IP redirector (or "bounce") programs have been a staple of internet anonymity for at least two decades. These packet bouncers were commonly used to anonymise IRC connections and were often illegally installed on other computers without the computer operators knowledge. Therefore these computers which have been identified could have been hijacked using an internet tool that is at least 20 years old. Mr. Linares could not reasonably be ignorant of them.

    Mr. Linares must have known that his statements regarding the reliability of IP addresses were false and self-serving, and he intentionally misrepresented this to the court under penalty of perjury.

    I'm just sayin' that I think there should be a law against intentional misrepresentation to the court, and maybe some penalties as well.

    --
    Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
    Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)
  6. Re:Hey, I'll reply anyway. by kennygraham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The key thing I'm trying to say is that you have to prove guilt.

    They don't have to prove guilt. It's not criminal court."

  7. Feedback by wrook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Free advice from a non-lawyer. Not only that, but I only have time to scan the document quickly, however here are some points that I think might be relevant:

    1. The word "piracy" is repeatedly used. I don't believe this is a standard legal term (outside of naval encounters). The word is not defined in the document. I think the intent is to equate the term "piracy" with "copyright infringement", but to spin it imply other things. One could probably attack this term successfully.

    2. Point 8 is a logical fallacy. Whether or not record companies authorize P2P distribution of music is completely unrelated to the conclusion that P2P networks are used primarily for copyright infringement. One would first have to show that the vast majority of content falls under the record companies' copyrights.

    3. "Distribution" has a specific legal definition in copyright law (or it does in my country, anyway). P2P copying may or may not fall under that definition. This is extremely important. They are trying to imply that P2P copying is a more serious offense than copying in other ways.

    4. Points 9 an 10 bother me slightly, but I can't put my finger on why. They are implying that the P2P users are anonymous and thus can escape lawsuits from copyright holders. This is probably an important point in their case. I suspect they are trying to show that P2P users are intentionally hiding because they are doing something they know is wrong. This is why it is OK to remove that anonymity. It is important to stress that whatever the motives of the defendant, it is the plaintif's job to show that an infringement occurred *and* that the defendant was involved before an injunction is granted. The anonymity of the defendant is immaterial to that point.

    5. Point 11 states that Media Sentry can identify files being offered. It can not. It can only identify the *names* of the files being offered. The name of a file does not constitute anything more than circumstantial evidence that the file contains what they think it contains.

    6. As has been stated numerous times before Point 12 is just false. An IP address identifies a machine, not a user. Any number of users may access that machine. Other machines may route through that machine and masquerade as it. The owner of the machine may not even be aware that someone else is using it for this purpose.

    7. Point 13 doesn't make any sense at all. They indicate no mechanism for Media Sentry to identify copyrighted works. Or even if one assumes that all the works available through the P2P network are copyrighted, there is no mechanism for determining who the owner of that copyright is. The document seems to imply that all users of the P2P network can do this and since Media Sentry uses the same mechanisms, it can do it too. But users can not generally do this. They would have to provide some explanation for the mechanism they are using.

    8. Point 16 states that the IP address can identify where the infringement occurred. This is incorrect. It merely shows one step of the way. In order to identify where the infringement occurred, they would also have to show that the packets were not then transferred to a third party. This information is not actually stored anywhere on the computer, so it might be impossible in practice to say for sure where the infringement occurred.

    9. Point 17: How is Verizon's concession in any way relevant to a judges decision? Does Verizon get to make precedent?

    10. In point 18, they use the terms "distribute" and "make available". Again, these have very specific legal meanings. They have not described how the alleged actions of the defendants are equivalent to these legal terms. Even if they have documented copying, this is different than the above terms (at least in my country).

    11. Again point 18, they have stated that the Defendant made illegal copies available. They have no way of determining this. They merely suspect that the Defendant's computer was used to *relay* copies (or pa

  8. Re:Hey, I'll reply anyway. by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What you suggest is unreasonable and probably illegal. WEP is broken to a few minutes, and you can't demand users trash WEP only equipment.

    I'm all for authenticated wireless but it is nearly impossible to implement on a scale like this unless we use verisign certificates and a public auth server that is free. Most APs can't do it anyway at the moment, and neither can many consumer devices, most can't even do WPA. Linksys has a for-pay auth setup they provide but this is nowhere near being universally compatible.

    I would argue it is not the consumers problem anyway and most consumers barely understand how Wi-Fi works, much less an integrated 802.1x wireless authentication system using public servers. Not only will it fail to accomplish its goals, going after individual users does not help the situation in any way.

  9. Re:misleading slashdot headline by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not necessarily, it allows a walk away statement ie. he can walk away from any distortions. Here's point 2 from his declaration:

    As Vice President Anti-Piracy Affairs I am responsible for evaluating to online strategies for the RIAA, including oversight of the investigations into online infringement of copyrighted sound recordings. As such, this Declaration is based on my personal knowledge, and if called upon to do so, I would be prepared to testify as to its truth and accuracy. "I am responsible for evaluating to online strategies for the RIAA"

    Is he an expert? In what? His credentials?

    Before anyone can discuss the content of his Declaration, it seems to me that it would be prudent to evaluate whether or not it should carry any weight at all. After skimming the Declaration, he seems to be making a lot of assertions that I think a Judge would normally expect to come from an expert.

    In other words:
    What qualifies him to testify as to [the Declaration's] truth and accuracy"?
    --
    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
  10. Re:Gee, what does this person expect to hear? by Kokuyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'This person' just happens to be one of those lawyers who's constantly trying to put the RIAA in its place and takes the time to keep us informed. He also takes the time to explain the relevant processes of law to us nerds.

    Don't you think it's a hilariously good idea to come to us when he doesn't understand 100% how P2P networks work? Aren't we exactly the ones who know best why RIAA's claims are stupid? So let's think this through: A lawyer who happens to understand law (gee, what a coincidence...) asks techies whether the technical interpretation of the 'bad guy' holds true or not.

    I don't see your problem. Would you rather he pull a Matlock on the judge and try to get the jury to shed a tear for the poor victim? That guy is doing a hell of a job.