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Consumerist Catches Geek Squad Stealing Porn

mekane8 writes "Consumer-advocate blog Consumerist ran a sting operation to catch a Best Buy Geek Squad member searching for and stealing media files from a customer's computer. The article includes the story with screen captures and a video of the technician's actions. From that piece: 'Reached for comment, Geek Squad CEO Robert Stephens expressed desire to launch an internal investigation and said, "If this is true, it's an isolated incident and grounds for termination of the Agent involved." This is not just an isolated incident, according to reports from Geek Squad insiders alleging that Geek Squad techs are stealing porn, images, and music from customer's computers in California, Texas, New Jersey, Virginia and elsewhere. Our sources say that some Geek Squad locations have a common computer set up where everyone dumps their plunder to share with the other technicians.' A related story from a former Geek Squad employee details the decline of the Geek Squad and Best Buy ethics in general."

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  1. The decline of ethics????? by winkydink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you kidding me? You expect these people, who are the low-paid,
    bottom-of-the-IT-food-chain to have ethics? Why are they any different
    from a parking lot attendant or car wash guy? Because they're techies?
    Don't kid yourself.

    Heck, at two companies I've worked for (both big-name, publicly traded),
    they've caught (and fired) one or more sysadmins reading other people's
    email.

    Sadly, The Ethical IT Guy is on the verge of becoming a quaint holdover
    from the previous century.

    Encrypt it, or lose it.

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    1. Re:The decline of ethics????? by Applekid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you kidding me? You expect these people, who are the low-paid,
      bottom-of-the-IT-food-chain to have ethics? Why are they any different
      from a parking lot attendant or car wash guy? Because they're techies?
      Don't kid yourself.

      All persons should aspire to live their lives ethically. Rather than have those who do be the exception, it ought to be that those that don't are the exception.
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    2. Re:The decline of ethics????? by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hate relativistic points of view. Some things are just not ethical. There are some things that could be quibbled over (grey areas, mostly), but this isn't something people should be debating. It is very widely consider wrong to steal stuff, kill people, invade people's privacy by looking through all their documents and photos without permission, etc. This is not something that needs to be up for debate.

      As for the idea of "why can't we assume most people are nice", I generally do. But you still should be cautious for two reasons. First of all, despite what I'd like to believe a great many people just aren't ethical (and the constant stream of stuff from politicians, sports, stars, and other "role models" isn't helping).

      Second, "God helps those who help themselves." Just because someone else shouldn't do something doesn't mean you shouldn't do something to try to prevent it. If the cross-walk sign says go you still check for cars right? Other people should stop, but they may not... so you look anyway. Whether you should have to or not, you protect yourself.

      That people do this doesn't surprise me. That low paid people who are trained for 2 hours and given little oversight do this surprises me even less.

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    3. Re:The decline of ethics????? by grasshoppa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When the companies we work for dont act ethical, and are kept from acting ethical due to shareholder constraint, why should we care if we're not ethical?

      Ah, the smell of fresh irony in the morning ( afternoon ).

      You act ethically because you hold yourself accountable for your actions. I do a good job because I want to, because at the end of the day I feel good knowing I did the best I could. Not because if I work hard I'll get a "staff appreciation pin". Kudos from employers come and go ( or often are non-existant ).

      I think that's the problem with this country: Too many people expect their managers to help them with their self-esteem. No one other than yourself should have any hand in that.

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    4. Re:The decline of ethics????? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hypothetical question: If you had been working in an area where the "magic" age is 16 or 14, and someone asked you to develop a pic of a 17-year-old, would your stomach still churn?

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    5. Re:The decline of ethics????? by Fallingcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what I was thinking. If 18.00000001 years doesn't make your stomach churn, but 17.9999995 does, you're probably allowing legality to dictate how you feel about morality, rather than morals.

      There has to be a line somewhere for the law, but in something like this, that extra couple of weeks should have no bearing whatsoever on one's personal feelings. It's irrelevant. Both bother you, or neither does.

    6. Re:The decline of ethics????? by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So does that mean I could examine every single file on your computer, including your e-mail, passwords, financial data, etc, by saying I'm looking for kiddie-porn? What if I come up with nothing at all? Does probable cause not matter? Does it matter that I'm also not a law enforcement agent, much less one with a search warrant?

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    7. Re:The decline of ethics????? by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sharing customers personal photos isn't prying into private documents? An auto mechannic isn't likely to find photos you took of spousal abuse under your hood. Interesting ethics.

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    8. Re:The decline of ethics????? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Although the leap to Bush is a bit tedious to make this many times in one day... he does have a point.
      How do we prepare our youth for their adult lives...


      How did your parents prepare you? This started long, long before Bush and Co.

      "I did not have sex with that woman..."
      "I looked on a lot of women with lust.."
      "I am not a criminal..."

    9. Re:The decline of ethics????? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually... it's more like going in for an oil change and when you get your car, you find out that they opened your trunk, opened your briefcase you had locked in the truck, and copied all your personal documents inside the briefcase. So you return to find your oil changed and your racy picture of your girlfriend up on the wall.

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    10. Re:The decline of ethics????? by MenTaLguY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, on the other side of the coin, there's also the issue of a pedophile working for GeekSquad acquiring pictures and personal information on your children.

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    11. Re:The decline of ethics????? by lymond01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it's called integrity. You stand for what you believe in, no matter what others do. Not to be confused with stubborness, which is standing for what you may or may not believe in simply to spite others.

    12. Re:The decline of ethics????? by Thing+1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please don't call it kiddie-porn. It's child abuse.

      This may be unpopular, but how can numbers possibly be a significant enough threat to land one in prison? (A digital image file is a very large number.)

      Yes, by all means, find the people who perpetrated the original crime of your term child abuse (or more emotionally, sexual assault of a defenseless child), and bring them to justice.

      However, once a society makes owning a number a crime, it makes it very easy to "frame" people who hold unpopular-but-not-illegal beliefs: just push some child pornography into their computer, or easier, "find" some photos in their car.

      This is very scary stuff. I am ashamed that we have made it illegal to have a number (or a photo), not out of any desire to obtain and retain said numbers or photos, but simply because the threat of abuse of this type of law is obvious and has already happened (witness RIAA witch hunts).

      And the reason it's scary is because I truly care about the injured victims and want restitution. Going after third parties does not help, and creates a police state in which unpopular beliefs like mine can be silenced through selective evidence planting.

      Similarly, felons should retain the right to vote, especially since having the wrong number can make you a felon.

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    13. Re:The decline of ethics????? by eli+pabst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They aren't prying into documents, they are copying media files. Its quite a big difference. It's not more of an invasion of privacy than the guy at the auto shop looking under the hood to see what you are running. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. They were paid to install iTunes. How does digging through various personal folders for image files and then copying pictures of bikini-clad women to a USB drive have anything fucking remotely related to do with "installing itunes"? Maybe you have some version of the iTunes installer that I'm missing out on.
  2. Re:Whoa... whatever happened to 'it's not stealing by halcyon1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Maybe there's a level below -1, but I don't see any whining posts.

    If someone wants to copy my \music\mp3 directory, more power to them. But, as another person posted, if they go into my \documents\creative_writing I'd be a bit ticked. I'll admit that. Mostly because unlike the music directory, none of the stuff in there is for public consumption. Also, the mp3 directory is 100% reproducible from public networks. It's already out there. Them taking a copy of all my mp3s is just a way for them to save time and bandwidth. My personal files, on the other hand, aren't.

    Of course, as a use case this isn't likely, because I wouldn't buy a computer from Best Buy, let alone entrust them with repairing my box. (And of course, I can fix my own damn computer, so...)

    This isn't a matter of stealing or copyright or anything like that. It's an invasion of privacy. Best Buy is giving you a contract (both social and written) saying that they respect you private data, and that you can trust them. If their employees root around in stuff they shouldn't, that's a breach of privacy.

    Plus, it's a chance to lay down a strawman beat on Best Buy, and who wants to pass up that opportunity?

  3. Re:Then there is "entrapment". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I (occasionally) do support / repair / recovery for individuals. Never do I look into media like this, let alone copy it. It's not really that hard - just follow the golden rule. If I wouldn't want someone poking around my files, I do the same for them. Come on, people!

    Cheers

  4. Re:Then there is "entrapment". by eck011219 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not entrapment. Entrapment would be forcing them or coercing them to commit the crime, often with another illegal act. Prostitution sting operations, for example, are often very close to (or over the line of) entrapment, as the police plant streetwalkers (an illegal act) in order to catch another illegal act.

    There is nothing like that here -- it's a computer with stuff on it, and their job is not to grab that stuff, it's to fix the computer. End of story.

    How about a folder called "Music"? Can they steal from that because it's labeled as such?

    Living ethically is a lot easier when you have enough ethics to avoid doing bad things for reasons better than "I might get caught."

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  5. Oblig Car Analogy by blindd0t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My car has some niceties I have added on myself. While I certainly do not take my car to just any mechanic, there are some (rare) exceptions when it cannot go to my usual mechanic (i.e. warranty work I had done in the past). An example of once such feature is a very loud stereo system. I actually take the electronic toll pass, change, and especially the amplifiers, and sub woofers out of the car before taking it in because I know the volume would otherwise be maxed out when I get it back from the shop. I simply do not trust just anyone outside of myself and my close friends to have those items within their reach. Furthermore, I am also careful, as with anybody else, to only hand them the keys they need to operate the vehicle, and do not provide them with my house keys or keys to anything other than the car.

    People need to take the same types of precautions with computers. If possible, back up your files elsewhere (i.e. optical media, portable hard drive) or consider using a network storage device (many home network storage devices are available now with RAID, and are not terribly high in price). Just as you would with a car, take out any money and private/personal belongings and put it elsewhere for while it is in the shop. Also, use different passwords for your logins than you use for your email accounts and the-like, as this is synonymous to only providing them with the key/keys they need.

  6. Re:I've done it. by dballanc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I ran a repair shop too, but stealing or even viewing customer files was NOT company policy. We did steps 1-6 and then told the customer we'd keep their backup for at least a week 'just in case'. We also deleted the backups on request of course.

    Unfortunately, thumbnail previews and accidental views sometimes showed me far more than I wanted to see. I think the worst was when a client warned me about the porn videos of his wife, and ASKED me to critique them. That's just creepy. I gave her a B- (hey, it's like an accident, you HAVE to look).

    Ethics mean everything if you want to truly grow a business. You don't gossip about other clients, you look away when they type their password, you try not overhear conversations (and if you do, you mentally stuff those tidbits into a bag, tie a concrete block around them, and throw them to sink in the pool of forgotten memories). It's not just out of consideration for them, but it gains you trust and respect. It's also just the right thing to do.