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One Laptop Per Child and Intel Join Forces

dan the person writes "A Wired piece informs us that Intel and the OLPC project have put their bickering behind them. They have joined forces to ensure 'the maximum number of laptops will reach children'. '"What happened in the past has happened," said Will Swope of Intel. "But going forward, this allows the two organisations to go do a better job and have better impact for what we are both very eager to do which is help kids around the world." "Intel joins the OLPC board as a world leader in technology, helping reach the world's children. Collaboration with Intel means that the maximum number of laptops will reach children," said Nicholas Negroponte, founder of One Laptop per Child. The new agreement means that Intel will sit alongside companies such as Google and Red Hat as partners in the OLPC scheme.'"

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  1. I have a bad feeling about this by Azuma+Hazuki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wonderful. Intel, maker of the Classmate PC, a DIRECT COMPETITOR to the OLPC (or so they say) is now teaming up with it. This is a transparent bid to relegate the OLPC to permanent second-class citizenship. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

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    1. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by Stanistani · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can see two tiers of low-cost laptops, as discussed in the Wired piece, being an advantage to a rollout, and the technical assistance (possibly some funding) from Intel being invaluable.

      Intel knows that if this effort is successful, their future customers will be using these devices.

    2. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by Alistar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Heck, we basically live in a sci-fi world looking through the eyes of a 1930s person.

      They would have never have thought you could get a computer into the size of a watch.

      Secondly, there is more to computer and technology group than coders.
      I don't know what your background is specifically, but something that electronic engineers learn in their very first year of classes is a little thing called the transistor and boolean algebra. Thats kind of pretty much where our modern electronics stem from at the moment.

      I can build you an AND gate an OR gate, a NAND gate out of 3 cent transistors. If I plug enough of those transistors together in logical patterns I can basically make the equivalent of a processor (it would huge and weak compared to today) but its a start. Size would take a step back till the miniturization could be redone I suppose, but its not quite the apocalyptic scenario you make it out to be.

  2. Gar by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just give them a Speak & Spell. It'll have as much value at a quarter of the price. Plus it already exists.

  3. So i guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that AMD processor won't last long in the OLPC machines ...

    1. Re:So i guess by Pecisk · · Score: 3, Informative

      RTFA. AMD will power first and second series of OLPC machines. Intel will provide platforms (propably some low level P4/Xeon with resistant structure) for _servers_ which will serve those little boxes in class room and outside of it.

      After that it is hard to say - I think AMD processors are more suitible for OLPC for now, but what will future bring - who knows.

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    2. Re:So i guess by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, OLPC and Intel are simply joining forces to create the new Soylent processor - One Child Inside(TM).

  4. Does that mean US parents can buy them now? by bADlOGIN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Before the US becomes a 3rd world country due to competition from
    India and China who can get the OLPC Laptop in special deals to
    make their next generation of children more competitive?

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    1. Re:Does that mean US parents can buy them now? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Before the US becomes a 3rd world country due to competition from India and China who can get the OLPC Laptop in special deals to make their next generation of children more competitive?

      I've seen two examples of schools in my local neighborhood bragging about how their gifted fifth-grade students were using Powerpoint to give their school reports. In one case, I saw an example of it with all sort of pictures, and the GATE teacher bragged, "and one report had a video on it!!"

      Of course, I'm thinking how pathetically easy it is to put together this sort of presentation, and I was struck not by the content (as I should), but by how much the teacher valued the flash over the substance of the report.

      If we want to make our children more "competitive", maybe it would be a better idea to keep computers away from them as long as possible. Any idiot can learn to use a computer. I'd rather end up with educated children.

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    2. Re:Does that mean US parents can buy them now? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, I'm thinking how pathetically easy it is to put together this sort of presentation, and I was struck not by the content (as I should), but by how much the teacher valued the flash over the substance of the report.
      I had the same problem in pen & paper days. Some of my teachers were more worried about the presentation and neatness of handwriting than they were about what I actually wrote. One of my teachers even bragged about how his teacher used to beat the crap out of him if the letters on his page weren't exactly the 'right' height. I think you're probably seeing a modern version of the same phenomenon. It's usually a sign of an incompetent teacher. When they don't know their stuff, they just can you for something irrelevant to seem like they're doing something. Fortunately, I found those teachers to be in the minority.
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    3. Re:Does that mean US parents can buy them now? by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      If we want to make our children more "competitive", maybe it would be a better idea to keep computers away from them as long as possible. Any idiot can learn to use a computer. I'd rather end up with educated children.

      Which might explain why they're not giving out these things in US. It's all a conspiracy for US to gain intellectual supremacy over the world.

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    4. Re:Does that mean US parents can buy them now? by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've seen two examples of schools in my local neighborhood bragging about how their gifted fifth-grade students were using Powerpoint to give their school reports. In one case, I saw an example of it with all sort of pictures, and the GATE teacher bragged, "and one report had a video on it!!" Of course, I'm thinking how pathetically easy it is to put together this sort of presentation, and I was struck not by the content (as I should), but by how much the teacher valued the flash over the substance of the report.

      You know what the worst part is? This is actually a regression from what we had 15 years ago when I was in 5th grade!

      Back then, we had Hypercard -- like PowerPoint, except programmable. Not only could we have embedded videos in our stacks (if sufficiently fast machines had been available, anyway), but we could also program animations, link together our cards/slides in non-linear ways, and even build applications with it.

      Between Hypercard, LOGO, and games like Number Munchers and Oregon Trail, computers were better used for education back then than they are today!

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    5. Re:Does that mean US parents can buy them now? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess you would also give bad grades to black kids because they had different accents? Who the hell are you?

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  5. good news for the RIAA by cashman73 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The RIAA is really looking forward to the day when every child in the world has their own computer. There's tons of countries in the developing world that they'll now be able to target with threats of lawsuits for downloading copyrighted music!

  6. does this mean... by shutupkevin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that we're going to have a lot more children discovering internet porn sooner? :O I can just imagine the next generation of kids.

  7. Cost cutting measure? by slapout · · Score: 5, Funny

    OLPC guy #1: Looks like we're not going to be able to make this thing for $150. How are we going to get costs down?

    OLPC guy #2: Guess it's time to sell some more ad-space. Where are we on the phone list?

    OLPC guy #1: Looks like we're doing to the "I"s.

    OLPC guy #2: Start dialing.

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  8. Three possible scenarios... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I expect one of three things to happen:

    1. The second generation of OLPC units will ship with Intel inside.

    2. Intel will suck as much information as it can out of the OLPC project before going its own way again.

    3. Intel will stay onboard at OLPC but do its best to bog the project down while pushing its competing solutions to the developing world.

    None of those scenarios particularly appeal to me, but if I had to choose between them I'd go for the first one.

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    1. Re:Three possible scenarios... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...just so it can run vista as by the time like the OLPC v2 comes out XP will be not sold any more.

      If the XO ran Windows -- any version -- it would be worse than useless for the purpose of the OLPC. The whole point is to have software designed for education, wrapped in an operating system that's completely user-modifiable (to encourage the students to creatively hack it). This is fundamentally incompatible with Windows.

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  9. Computing for everyone... by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a great idea and a noble goal. But there's still a lot of valid questions about how good an idea this specific project is. Aside from the clear opportunity for people, government and corporations to take advantage of good intentions, there's a consistent theme of imposing western/northern hemisphere values for the wrong people place/application.

    It's not unlike the good intentions that led to rebuilding of "better" houses in Sumatra for instance after the great Tsunami. Modern, western style housing just doesn't make sense there. It uses and demands much more freshwater than traditional homes and no-one can afford to run them. As a result the population has typically abandoned the new homes, which remain unoccupied, in favour of traditional homes.

    In fact I would argue that corporations (and governments who use money to buy these computers) will likely breed more hostility and resentment than anything by disseminating computers to people who can't afford three squares a day.

    1. Re:Computing for everyone... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From my experience, kids who have laptops spend their day browsing the web or chatting... not learning. Every class that has computers turns out to be a waste (I've yet to see a class with computers that isn't a waste; and I taught quite a few of them).

      Back when I was in elementary school, the classes that involved things like Hypercard and LOGO weren't a waste. Perhaps the problem lies not with the concept of putting computers in the classroom, but with the dumbass teachers who think MS Office is the ultimate concept of computing!

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  10. Easy solution by aztec+rain+god · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two laptops per child!

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    1. Re:Easy solution by dn15 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually three. They'll also get Apple's new $100 laptop, the iOLPC. Competitively priced at $150.

  11. OLPC is a project - Classmate is a device... by Glasswire · · Score: 2, Informative

    The current device that the OLPC has created is neither the last nor possibly the only unit that the project might support. If you look at roadmaps, esp since Intel is 18 months ahead of AMD on manufacturing process technology, it will have much more powerful cpus than the dated old National Semi Geode technology that AMD bought - in a similar or lower power profile. Check out Silverthorne to see what's coming.
    Negroponte was probably right to use Geode when the the first OLPC unit was designed, but looking into the future, Intel cpus will make much more sense for this.
    In any case, there's no reason Intel can't create a different model for other markets, but with full embrace of OLPC by Intel, the project is actually much more viable.

  12. LinuxBIOS and Open Specifications for Intel? by billybob2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the key requirements for the OLPC is that all the components are open source (even the firmware for the wireless component). AMD has worked very hard to make the OLPC compatible with LinuxBIOS and OpenFirmware, which are 100% Free/Open Source. I certainly hope Intel will do the same.

  13. Re:Notice someone missing? by musicon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, Intel's Classmate PC is designed to run either Windows or Linux, and on all of the reviews I have heard thus far Mandriva Linux was the installed OS.

    Additionally, although it's unlikely to work well within the system's constraints, Microsoft is also at least evaluating the OLPC, and is one of 1500+ developers signed up with them.

    Finally (slightly off topic), now that Intel has sold off the ARM division, I don't know that they have a low-enough wattage CPU at this time that could be a viable replacement for the Geode.

  14. Waits to be flamed by jshriverWVU · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The OLPC concept is good, but seriously I think we have more pressuring issues to deal with. I'm not against the advancement of technology and what the OLPC has done has been good for what it was designed for.

    But at the same time I feel like it's a waste of money compared to better causes, like I dont know, FEEDING or MEDICINE for kids. Granted I grew up poor, and I wish I had a laptop when I was in high school and younger would have been able to kick start my career even earlier. But even then if it came to me having a free laptop, or seeing the kid down the street who eats government peanut butter on bread (no jelly) every day and no medical insurance. I'd gladly give it up to feed him/her for a while.

    From a small thinking perspective this project is great, from the big picture it's just diverting funds that could have been better used. For those about to flame me, Yes we should go to Mars! But we should we get things straight down here first.

    1. Re:Waits to be flamed by pauljlucas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... it's a waste of money compared to better causes like ... FEEDING or MEDICINE ...
      When the choice is cast as black-and-white as "Laptop or food/medicine?", I'd bet most people would choose the latter -- it's a no-brainer. The problem is that the problem isn't so simple and casting the problem to be so is somewhat disingenuous.

      You have to remember that philanthropy is often done by people with passion. Nicholas Negroponte was the co-founder of the MIT Media Laboratory, so naturally he's passionate about computers. One thing about the nature of passion is that one who is passionate wants to instill the same passion in others. Negroponte has passion about computers (and money, which definitely helps), so let him express his philanthropy as he wants. So perhaps the question shouldn't be, "Why isn't Negroponte giving food and medicine?" but rather "Why isn't there some other rich philanthropist who is passionate about feeding kids and making sure they have decent medical care?" There's no shortage of rich men.

      Also, let's face it: giving food and medicine (a) just isn't sexy to the press and so doesn't garner support easily and (b) giving food and medicine is a never-ending job. Unlike giving a kids a laptop, you have to feed them three times a day every day. Even the most passionate philanthropist would likely burn out.

      Another thing you need to consider is the potential for kids to rise above their situation. Feeding kids just makes them not hungry; the results of giving kids access to the internet is unknown buy potentially unbounded.

      Consider what was done in Born into Brothels: poor children of prostitutes were given cameras. Could the kids have used more/better food/medicine? Of course. But what resulted from the cameras was (a) art and, for a few children, (b) a way out of their bleak station in life from their art and notoriety is garnered. As useful as food and medicine might be, it offers no hope of escaping their bleak lives. Who knows what kids might accomplish with laptops? Wouldn't it be interesting to find out?

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    2. Re:Waits to be flamed by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But at the same time I feel like it's a waste of money compared to better causes, like I dont know, FEEDING or MEDICINE for kids. Granted I grew up poor, and I wish I had a laptop when I was in high school and younger would have been able to kick start my career even earlier.

      You know, growing up in this world isn't about being comfy, having everything given to you, or everything being absolutely fair. Those are concepts that don't exist.

      "No pain no gain".

      Truth is if developed countries just keep sending trucks of food and medicine in Africa (say), they'll just be more and more dependent on it, and "adapt" to it, versus seek to be standalone. I'm not saying OLPC will suddenly change all of that. But consider which is better:

      growing old in your mom's basement and mom giving you food and medicine every day, mommy's great big boy

      or

      educating yourself and looking for a job, even at the cost of it being very hard for you at times

      The chain has to break at some point. People will die, and some will survive. Those who survive will no longer need food and medicine be fed to them, and will possibly have some form of self-sustaining economics developed. It's cruel, but it's how we came to be in the first place.

    3. Re:Waits to be flamed by Warbothong · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You're exactly right, so get the hell hell off Slashdot and sell your computer to get some bread to give to these countries. And whilst you're at it, dismantle your house, since I'm sure the plumbing system would come in handy for an irrigation system and there are countless other things you could do. Everybody should give up any modern technology they have until everyone in the world has it. Otherwise how else will the world advance? Surely nothing to do with new technological advances helping those less fortunate people in the world, because banging stuff together in huts has much more potential than mass production in modern robot-filled factories with the output being flown by aeroplane to those that need it.

      Or maybe you could stop flaming the efforts of people to make a difference in countries that could do with a boost. Yes there are many people out there who would be incredibly offended if their governments gave them a computer instead of some food, but guess what? They're not the governments who the OLPC project is targetting! They are targetting countries whith decent infrastructure, but where education could be given a boost. So instead of spending masses and masses of money on textbooks which are single-purpose, become obsolete, can be damaged, etc. how about making a laptop which can replace all of them, whilst costing about the same amount as one? Plus the fact that all of the collaboration and networking stuff in the laptops means that they let kids learn in places where there are no schools and are no teachers, since the current system of sit down, shut up and listen to the teacher doesn't really work without one.

      As for the actual news story, so what? Intel screw the OLPC project by making a computer in the complete opposite way (instead of inventing new technologies to overcome limitations, they just rip any useful functionality out of an ordinary laptop until it costs $200), then use their financial might to sell it below cost, to the exact countries that the OLPC guys have negotiated with, where it is pretty much useless anyway (for the software it runs it is WAY underpowered, it is not sealed so it can't even run underwater and would clog in a desert (you wouldn't be scoffing if you only had 2 seasons, rainy and dry), it can only be charged from an electrical outlet (yeah, plenty of those is remote villages...), its Wifi can't mesh, meaning it needs an access point just for 2 of them sitting side by side to be able to talk, the battery only lasts 2 hours, the screen is unreadable in bright sunlight (ie. outside), the list goes on). They then join the OLPC board, but do nothing to halt this product they have made. So where is the news? Come back when the Classmate piece of crap has been scrapped, THEN at least Intel will at least be close to breaking even, since the fact they did it at all gives them -1000 points.

      The capitalist idea of 'choice' does not apply in this situation. To someone with only a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In an area like this it is way way way better to stick to one open, changable design and improve any shortcomings over time, than it is to allow multiple efforts to compete over resources until neither of them have enough left to survive. For Intel that is the point, since they have a solid base to win a war of attrition. The fact that they are waging it completely without just cause against a charity which didn't ask for it makes me sick, and I would have no problem at all taking a dump in the mouth of whatever Intel suit came up with this sordid plan. That is, unless they're into that kind of stuff, in which case I'd settle for tattooing "DON'T TRUST ANYTHING I SAY" to their forehead.

  15. Re:OT: housing in Sumatra by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know it's off-topic (sorry), but (s)he asked, so here goes....

    For starters, you're talking about houses that are built on the assumption of a centralized water supply system, which doesn't currently exist to any meaningful degree. The same can also be said for the new schools and nurseries. In addition to assuming water will be supplied, the builders assume an availability and usage rate of water that while reasonable in North America or Europe for instance (and we use LOTS of water, btw) is simply unrealistic and prohibitively expensive to run -- it becomes a burden. It's like driving a SUV when you can only afford gas for a moped.

    It's not a simple issue, but to provide some context even a family that manages freshwater sparingly (saltwater for bathing, etc) will spend about 30% of their household income on water. Aside from the potential losses in the house itself (from e.g. higher flow rates than would otherwise be used), the very nature of centralized systems (which are typically leaky and lossy even in modern North American and European cities) raises the expense for a user, even before factoring in excessively leaky pipes and the repercussions from a lack of metering.

    If you're interested/curious about other aspects, let me know and we can talk more about it in a more appropriate forum.

  16. Re:OLPC is a project - Classmate is a device... by Mokurai · · Score: 2, Informative

    Silverthorne is described as running at 5W or more, while the Geode LX runs at less than 2W average for most applications when correctly using suspend/resume. The Geode should remain the choice in places where regular power is lacking. Although OLPC availability should speed up access to electrical power in many areas, on the Articulate Voting Populations principle.

    (Disclosure: I worked on Geode documentation for National Semiconductor in 2000. AMD has the descendants of my documents online.)

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