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Will Microsoft Put The Colonel in the Kernel?

theodp writes "The kernel meets The Colonel in a just-published Microsoft patent application for an Advertising Services Architecture, which delivers targeted advertising as 'part of the OS.' Microsoft, who once teamed with law enforcement to protect consumers from unwanted advertising, goes on to boast that the invention can 'take steps to verify ad consumption,' be used to block ads from competitors, and even sneak a peek at 'user document files, user e-mail files, user music files, downloaded podcasts, computer settings, [and] computer status messages' to deliver more tightly targeted ads."

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  1. Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by Whatsmynickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    [paranoia] Wonder when you'll be downloading this important security update from Microsoft? [/paranoia]

    1. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by zionian117 · · Score: 4, Funny

      What? weren't "General Failure" and BSOD enuff?

    2. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny

      What? weren't "General Failure" and BSOD enuff?
      Yeah, I mean, General Failure outranks the Colonel, right?
    3. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by Whammy666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suspect that once the patent gets a little further along that MS will begin introducing bits and pieces of this bullshit as a service packs into Vista. These unwanted 'features' would blend right into Vista's DRM system. Given Vista's new security emphasis, I imagine that MS will make it damn hard to block any of the this by hacking or using external ad-blocking software. I'll think I'll stay with my old W2K system. Fuck MS.

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    4. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by SirTalon42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      *cough* You didn't read Asimov's books, did you?

      the movie wasn't a telling of the story I, Robot...

    5. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by pallmall1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      What now after General Failure, Colonel whatever ...
      Don't forget Major Flaw and his Battalion of Bugs.
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      3 things about computers: they're alive, they're self-aware, and they hate your guts.
    6. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by 70Bang · · Score: 4, Interesting


      So what's going to happen to those who use the nasty online services (dial-up, I think) which already bombard users with ads -- to offset the discount?

      Ads on top of ads.

      We've gone from sick browsers which supported popup crap, popunder, multiple flashing GIFs on the same web pages (ads). Spam - in many forms.

      I can understand ads supporting TV shows -- that's how it stays inexpensive.

      So they expect people to pay for these ads but MS isn't going to give a discount. They just don't have to create, sell, and support what I call "Pass the Hat" releases (see Win98 SE and ME) in order to generate money.

      This only seals Microsoft's fate as a second-rate software provider.

      They've always said they displaced IBM and someone else will replace them, but they aren't going quietly. They still care about being #1, but more importantly, their ultimate fear is in not setting or inventing standards and staying ahead of everyone else.

      Only support some versions of HTML but add other features which they state others have to abide by. They weren't HTML-compliant and fill in the tags (or closed them) which people have overlooked. That meant proofreading the things which were IE-only in Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox.[1] They appear to have ignored all of the support of RSS but create their interpretation of the features they want to without regard to what everyone else wants (or supports).

      Some media have asserted there are tens (some say hundreds) of thousands of Win2K running in business/corporate settings. Win2K/Office 2000/VS6.0 is probably the most stable of a combination of those three things which Microsoft has produced -- honestly, no matter what you're thinking without a C&C warning.

      Businesses don't want to change and see no reason to do so: the hardware they have runs okay, the software is a known evil and things are as stable as they are able to manage. Move to XP or Vista, and it's start all over. New hardware (across the board), new training (especially technical people), new bugs, new support, new everything. Microsoft's Huey, Dewey, and Louie (Marketing, Sales, and PR) haven't found a way to crack that nut...until they started making things, albeit not showstoppers, incompatible with Win2k.

      Until they convert those licenses to XP, and more importantly Vista, it's lost revenue, and smaller dividends paid.

      Cramming ads into the kernel are their best solution (under the circumstances), hoping the ability to crack it will take some time and be considered risky at best.

      All they are doing is telling their little herds of 'softie software is they are getting desperate.

      We've gone from IBM mainframes with 3270 screens to desktops to desktops connected to the 'net, the web, and now, (practically) needing nothing but a browser on a dumb PC in order to deal with everything. Figure out where the MS software fits that timeline.

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      [1] for a while, it was an easy interview question for HTML people, then ASP. "What happens if things appear on the screen in IE; but a blank screen in browser , but the text is visible when you View|Source?" (unbalanced tags, usually in tables)

    7. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by nmb3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I mean, General Failure outranks the Colonel, right?

      Funniest thing on Slashdot so far today (even if it is only 01:30), but I would have thought General Protection Fault outranks the Colonel :)

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    8. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, now no other operating systems are allowed to do this?

      Sweet! MS did something good for once.

      I'm sure they didn't mean to.

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    9. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      US Robotics is a real company, and it was named after US Robotics and Mechanical Men from Asimov's books. The film adaptation dropped the 'and Mechanical Men' part of the name. It was not a 'telling of the story I, Robot,' because there is no story I, Robot. Asimov's I, Robot is a book of short stories which, along with The Rest of the Robots and a couple of novellas was merged into The Complete Robot later. It's amazing the number of people who say things like 'you never read the I, Robot story did you? If you did, you'd know how different the film was from it,' when there was no such story (there was, however, an Outer Limits episode of the same name, involving the trial of a robot for murder, which seemed to have partially inspired the film).

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    10. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've often wished I could introduce Microsoft executives to Corporal Punishment, but I don't think that counts.

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    11. Re:Wonder when this will be an "important update"? by jackalope · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I guess that they all outrank private data.

  2. KFC by zionian117 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this in any way relate to KFC... i nearly ditched linux got vista so that Colonel would get me some fried Chicken!! Then I read the story.... Damn it makes me hungry!

  3. More Monies Please... by rizzo320 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has realized that protecting consumers and selling high quality products are not ways they can make money any longer. Getting in bed with corporations and ad agencies and selling out the customer is looking to become much more profitable for them.

    What really scares me is that for this to be successful, without some type of backlash from the user community, it would have to be forced on us. As in, forced so you could no longer install another operating system on your computer. Perhaps this is there for when they sue Linux out of oblivion, or at least try to. Otherwise, who would ever use another Microsoft product.

    Then again, the data collected from such an endeavor would be so valuable, Microsoft could market computers for free with this software installed. Perhaps that the only other way this is successful.

  4. ummmm? by isthisorigional · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i think i speak for everyone when i say "what the fuck??" when did OPERATING SYSTEMS become billboards? so when the next MS OS comes out, instead of everyone looking for activation cracks they'll be looking first for how the hell to get the adds off of their desktop? asking people to view shit at the bottom of msn messenger is one thing, but there is a line.

  5. The sound you hear is... by The+Optimizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My limits finally being hit.

    After swearing it off since my disaster with RedHat 4, I now know I am going to make the effort to explore Linux again. My email, browsing and documents are mine, and if the OS is capable of poking through them to advance the interests and profits of someone else, then the party is over. I can't trust them when they say they'd never do that; if the capability exists, it will get used at some point in time. I'll keep a windows box for gaming, but not much else, and certainly not any accurate identifable personal information.

    1. Re:The sound you hear is... by grammar+fascist · · Score: 4, Informative

      Everything's gotten tons better since RedHat 4. Try Ubuntu - it seems to work with almost everything, and has a very large and helpful user base.

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    2. Re:The sound you hear is... by The+Optimizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thank you, both of you who replied...

      Your helpful attitude is totally opposite of the attitude I ran into 10 years ago when I asked for help online.

      If that's a common reaction, then the Linux comminty has come a long, long way along with the OS and software. I'm looking forward to trying it out and feeling secure again.

    3. Re:The sound you hear is... by misleb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If that's a common reaction, then the Linux comminty has come a long, long way along with the OS and software. I'm looking forward to trying it out and feeling secure again.


      It depends on the distribution and your attitude/skill level going into it. Fortunately there are enough distributions that you should be able to find a good match. But regardless of the distribution, I think it is important that one changes one's expectations of what software is. Once you go with open source software, you should expect to take on an attitude of exploration and community. There is no more expecting software to do exactly what you need right out of the box (although Ubuntu has gotten pretty good about this). Nobody owes you anything (you didn't pay for anything). Whatever anyone in the community does for you (whether it is writing the code or supporting it) is purely voluntary. That is both the strength and weakness of free/open source software. Embrace it.

      -matthew
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      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
  6. So I guess this makes Microsoft... by camperdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...which delivers targeted advertising as 'part of the OS.'...

    So, I guess this officially makes Microsoft Windows adware/spyware. I wonder if Spybot and Adaware will now remove Windows as part of it's run-through. One can certainly hope so.

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  7. Mercy sakes, you are ignorant by Eustace+Tilley · · Score: 4, Funny

    You do not understand the difference between an application and an operating system. Please stop posting.

  8. First spyware, now adware by robo_mojo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First MS decided to start distributing spyware with the OS when they created WGA. And now they want to top that off by including adware as well?

  9. This is their "innovation" by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    to fight Google.

    You see, they look at Google and do not get jealous of Google's achievements per se, they get jealous of Google's revenue streams and hence are attacking the revenue stream (advertising) without adding value to the consumer.

    Now, you may argue that this bloatware will make the OS cheaper, but what I think will likely happen over the long run (if this ever goes through) is that the cheapest OS will cost the same and people will have to buy a "premium" version to avoid the ads. If people complain, Microsoft will point out that they got the ad-supported version "free" with the OEM computer (while not mentioning the OEM also paid for that copy).

  10. Not yours. by trudyscousin · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I first heard the name "Windows Genuine Advantage," I thought, "hey, great; I've finally got an advantage over those smug Mac OS X and LInux users!" Then, of course, came the awful truth.

    When I first heard the name "Trusted Computing," I thought, "hey, great; does this, like, mean I can make clicky-clicky on links in the sketchiest of web pages without gasping in shock at the horrors of pathological proctology?" Then, of course, came the awful truth.

    This evening, upon reading the name "Advertising Services Architecture," I thought, "hey, great; is this a cool new enabling technology that will this help me sell more stuff and make more money on eBay?" Then, yet again, came the awful truth, as pointed out in the link to this article.

    As far as I know, these are but three of the 100 reasons I'll be speechless for Microsoft Vista. Or saying "Wow!" But: Is there some context in the English language in which "Wow!" means "I've got an axe buried in my head?" (Being speechless does, after all, seem to be an appropriate response to such trauma, and so I was trying to make the connection between the two.) Because after all the all the aforementioned truths, after finding out that this vast infrastructure for which I'm paying has nothing to do whatsoever with that for which I want to use a computer, well, that's kind of what I imagine it feels like.

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  11. Re:How standard is this clause? by misleb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The detailed description is to be construed as exemplary only and does not describe every possibly embodiment of the invention because describing every possible embodiment would be impractical, if not impossible.


    A statement like this in a patent application should be grounds for automatic refusal of said patent. If you can't describe the specific implementation of an "invention"... no patent for you!

    -matthew
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    "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
  12. Re:Free OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, but that's free as in communism. This gonna be free like America!

  13. Is MS abandoning the software business? by cheros · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if Microsoft is busy abandoning the software business.

    First we get Vista, with a reported 20+ services phoning home with enough detail to make what Redmond get personally identifiable, not to mention that the Business version in my experience is an absolute dog to run compared to XP or Linux on the same "Vista approved" hardware. So we have instant privacy and security problems that come with the package, and new code which will take another year to become actually safe and usable (cute visuals do not maketh a usable business OS, especially if you have to retrain everyone - might as well take the plunge and retrain them on Macs or Linux).

    Then we get the latest Office, which will work in Microsoft's attempt to create an 'Open' file format. That effort has mainly demonstrated that they (a) don't know what Open means, (b) don't see what their customers are asking for and (c) don't care about the previous two aspects, to the point of not understanding that their effort is alienating their increasingly savvy customers.

    What's more, the 'Open' documentation has already given rise to the question if their flawed Excel spreadsheet functions (as documented) are new defects, or simply the first documentation of an already existing flawed interpretation of the laws of mathematics - any calculation done on an Excel spreadsheet to report financial results could now be seen as breaking diligence. In other words, using Excel knowingly may even carry a risk of criminal charges (IMHO, IANAL). Which executive would want that risk, especially with lower cost alternatives at hand that support a file format than can be machine processed and has been accepted at EU level?

    However, MS trying to move into other markets hasn't been quite the success they'd hoped for either. Huge repair bills for Xbox, Zune zonked, and a lot of suppliers opting for a less license encumbered OS in their phones - it's all looking a tad shabby for your average clued up investor. Not a stock I'd keep on my portfolio, and following the progression other companies have made I think death by lawyer (suing your customers) cannot be far away.

    And now, new idea, they're trying to move ads beyond your control into the core OS. Oh yes, that really will help drive up productivity in an office. And it'll be a primary risk vector if it gets infected.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot, any new MS OS is the safest ever. Shame it still gets hacked before it's even launched. Talk about losing credibility..

    Sure, I'm probably just a Mac/Linux fanboy. Isn't it irritating that even the less vocal ones in that category get proven right all the time? I don't choose an OS because of its fanbase, I chose it because it works for my business and I can see through the FUD (and OK, we're not a thousand seat business). I've had one office on OO exclusively now for 6 months, and no client has even noticed the difference - they're now switching to Linux completely. All the other offices are busy being switched to all Open Source based software in the next few months (using the holiday season), with the occasional Mac thrown in for graphics work.

    And you know the best news? No virus problems, no daily 'reboot now' updates, no Genuine Advantage, no BSA/FAST worries.

    It Just Works.

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  14. This may be Microsoft's answer to Google by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This may be Microsoft's answer to Google. And, incidentally, to Linux.

    Microsoft already has a tiered operating system - the "business model" version of Vista is significantly more expensive than the "consumer model". The logical extension of this is a free consumer model with ads, and an expensive business model without ads.

    This has many advantages for Microsoft. First, it's an answer to Google, which is ad-supported but doesn't have much of a lock-in mechanism, like Microsoft does. Second, it's an answer to Linux - preloaded consumer grade Windows becomes ad-supported, which is probably worth more than the current preload charge. It even helps Microsoft deal with piracy. The consumer version will be free. The business version will come with mandatory online services (they'll call it something like "Managed Workgroups") that will tie it to the mothership in Redmond.