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Attacking Sandboxes

SkiifGeek writes "Many anti-malware applications use a sandbox as a tool to help identify potentially malicious software. Now knowledge is spreading about techniques and methods that can allow sandboxed software to target the sandbox itself (and by extension the application that applied it). While attacks that specifically target sandboxing applications are probably a little way off, this technology can be considered the logical extension of techniques and procedures to identify the presence of hosted systems (VMWare, Virtual PC, etc.)."

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  1. Strike vs Counterstrike by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There will never, ever be an end to this.

    As long as people are imperfect (and they always will be) there will be measures, countermeasures, and counter-counter measures. New techniques will make old ones obsolete, and even newer techniques will make the once-new techniques no longer apply.

    With this understanding, any technology that can outsurvive more than one or two iterations of other products in the same field becomes "venerable" and "stable".

    Which makes now a particularly good time to appreciate the guys who worked out the spec for TCP/IP some 30 (?) years ago. Despite going from mainframes, to minis, to PCs, and now on to the era of ubiquitous computing, the basic concepts and ideas behind the TCP/IP specification continue to hold steady and useful. They managed to come up with a technology, that whatever flaws have actually been found, hasn't come up against any real show-stoppers. None.

    To which I can only say: WOW.

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  2. Once again, they didn't read the article. by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article didn't say that they've found code that attacks sandboxes, it said that they've found code that detects a sandbox (VMWare for instance) and plays innocent so as to avoid detection through the sandbox.

    It also said that software has been found that detects when it's attached to a debugger. Big deal, copy protection schemes have been doing that for decades.

    The article then goes on to FUD that code that attacks the sand box "must" be coming.

    Oh, it must be coming. Uhuh.

  3. Umm... yes? And? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That malware detects VMs is old news. I'd wager about 60% of current malware has VM detection built in. About as many have debugger detection. Some overlapping allowed.

    So far, malware that "breaks out" of the sandbox would be new to me (though I'd be grateful for a sample). Though, seriously, why not run a VM with Windows (to analyze) on a box running Linux? I'd be very interested if someone manages to do the feat of creating a piece of malware that manages to break out of the sandbox and then run on a machine with a completely different operating system.

    If you wanna throw another stick between the malware's feet, run the VM on a non-i386 architecture. If someone manages to break out of THAT and manages to hijack my machine, he really earned it and should get it.

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  4. Re:Sandbox the sandbox by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Sounds like the security methods most online banking systems use. Here's the current layers:
    • password
    • mother's maiden name/ what's you're favourite movie
    • secret picture
    • randomized keypad for entiring password

    It's all layers of useless crap piled on top of eachother which doesn't stop the real problem of people falling for stupid fishing sites, and entering a password in a site that looks like their bank's. If they really wanted to add real security they'd hand out RSA key fobs to everyone instead of adding layers of stuff that makes it look more secure but actually isn't.
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