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Checkers Solved, Unbeatable Database Created

tgeller writes "My story on the Nature site announced that a team of computer scientists at the University of Alberta has solved checkers. From the game's 500 billion billion positions (5 * 10^20), 'Chinook' has determined which 100,000 billion (10^14) are needed for their proof, and run through all relevant decision trees. They've set up a site where you can see the proof, traverse the logic, and play their unbeatable automaton. '[Jonathan] Schaeffer notes that his research has implications beyond the checkers board. The same algorithms his team writes to solve games could be helpful in searching other databases, such as vast lists of biological information because, as he says, "At the core, they both reduce to the same fundamental problem: large, compressed data sets that have to be accessed quickly."'"

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  1. Checkers, Not Draughts by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the Wikipedia entry:

    The most popular forms are international draughts, played on a 10×10 board, followed by English draughts, also called American checkers that is played on an 8×8 board, but there are many other variants. Draughts developed from alquerque.[2] Draughts would be a much much larger gamespace than Checkers. I noticed that draughts appeared in the tags of this story but it shouldn't.

    Also, I've heard before that "it takes longer to learn to play checkers at the master level than it does chess. What checkers lacks in breadth, it makes up in precision and finality." I realize that puts me at risk of being modded as flamebait but I wonder if any other Slashdot reader can confirm or contest that.
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    1. Re:Checkers, Not Draughts by mebollocks · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I will, therefore, take occasion to assert that the higher powers of the reflective intellect are more decidedly and more usefully tasked by the unostentatious game of draughts than by all the elaborate frivolity of chess. In this latter, where the pieces have different and bizarre motions, with various and variable values, what is only complex is mistaken (a not unusual error) for what is profound. The attention is here called powerfully into play. If it flag for an instant, an oversight is committed, resulting in injury or defeat. The possible moves being not only manifold but involute, the chances of such oversights are multiplied; and in nine cases out of ten it is the more concentrative rather than the more acute player who conquers. In draughts, on the contrary, where the moves are unique and have but little variation, the probabilities of inadvertence are diminished, and the mere attention being left comparatively what advantages are obtained by either party are obtained by superior acumen. To be less abstract --Let us suppose a game of draughts where the pieces are reduced to four kings, and where, of course, no oversight is to be expected. It is obvious that here the victory can be decided (the players being at all equal) only by some recherche movement, the result of some strong exertion of the intellect. Deprived of ordinary resources, the analyst throws himself into the spirit of his opponent, identifies himself therewith, and not unfrequently sees thus, at a glance, the sole methods (sometimes indeed absurdly simple ones) by which he may seduce into error or hurry into miscalculation. Edgar Allan Poe - The murders in the Rue Morgue.
      Great Story!
  2. So, who wins? by drfuchs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Right. So, is it a win for the first or the second player? Would be nice to mention somewhere.

  3. Re:We'll always have Go by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 5, Interesting

    'course, Go would be kind of dull too on an 4x8 board (checkers only uses half the squares)
    http://www.chessvariants.com/d.betza/chessvar/16x1 6.html

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  4. Re:The writing's been on the wall... by dprovine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They randomise starting back-rank positions now in some tournaments, to stave off the eventual "book death" that has already conquered checkers.

    I made up my own variation with randomness that I call Schrödinger's Chess.

    Let me know if you try it out.