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Condemned 2 Trying to Avoid Manhunt 2's Fate

CVG is reporting that Monolith, makers of the upcoming Condemned 2, are working with the ESRB to avoid an AO rating. As we've discussed previously, an AO ban in the states is effectively a ban on retail sales. From the article: "When asked for examples of what we might now never see in a game again, we were told, 'An example of what we cut would be putting someone's head in a vice. That was too much, you know. There are also some decapitations we've lost. But this is more Sin City than it is real world and we want people to know that this is not a real world.'"

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  1. Bah by orclevegam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to see a retailer grow some balls, tell the ESRB to shove off, and start carrying AO games on the shelves. I don't care if they section it off in it's own little area or something, so long as it's available for purchase. Then companies could make whatever they feel like making and who cares what the ESRB rates it.

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    1. Re:Bah by Loadmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is Sony, MS and Nintendo will not allow AO games on their consoles. Gotta blame the ESRB and hardware companies for this crap.

      Swi

    2. Re:Bah by orclevegam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand the history behind the ESRB and why it exists, I just feel it's wrong for retailers to make blanket decisions to not stock a product based on its rating. I also think selling two versions of the product, one censored and the other not might be workable, so long as the censored version is clearly marked. I refuse to purchase any CDs at WalMart because they censor all their CDs, and it really ticks me off that they don't even put any warning stickers telling you they're censored.

      As for the MPAA, that's another one I'm not happy about. I recently watched This Movie Has Not Been Rated and was disgusted at the practices the ratings board follows. I think MPAA ratings shouldn't be released for a film till it's released in theaters. The purpose of the ratings is supposed to be to allow parents to decide if their children should be allowed to watch the movie, and to a lesser extent if they want to watch it, it should not be used to determine if a theater should be showing the movie or not.

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    3. Re:Bah by 7Prime · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it was Sony who spoke up first. Remember, Manhunt 2 was to be released on the Wii and PS3. Microsoft's a little more wishy-washy on the issue, but from what I've heard, it's only because they haven't really been forced into a possition like this before. All three of them have a strictly no-AO policy, however.

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  2. Unbelievable.. by Zekasu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anyone else played the original Condemned, you'd probably agree wtih me that it would probably be rated AO, simply for all the blood. (And probably the ending.)

    Nonetheless, I'm extremely pissed that game makers have to worry about ratings now in order to get their games on the shelves. In the past it was, "Oh, look.. That conservative group is trying to nag at our game. Ha! We're number one on the selling charts!" And then finally, those "conservative groups" get a couple of lawmakers to enforce this type of law because of some group of idiot developers who decide to put an extremely well hidden sex scene in their game.

    Just great. So while we're censoring every form of art, how about Michelangelo's statue? Someone needs to put some leaves there. Oh, is that a breast on that artwork? Better get the censor bars out.

    No matter what it is, there's always some group that complains enough that, "This shouldn't be shown, because it's just.. shouldn't." Of course, I'll also assume that their kids will group up and be smiling adults that always do the right thing, help old ladies cross the streets, turn their head away from those XXX nightclubs, and of course, never ever get angry.

    Beautiful, just beautiful. I suppose if people have a bad enough psychosis that they can't tell that Condemned has a world in which demons exist and physically manifest to cause riots apart from the real world, well.. My opinion on humanity is at a loss for words.

  3. Just Make It as Violent as You Please, OK?! by cromar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...we want people to know that this is not a real world.

    I'm getting really sick of all this pussy-footing around. Personally, I have a strong aversion to graphic, unnecessary violence, but if you are so unhinged that you can't tell the difference between reality and a game you are ALREADY off your rocker.

  4. Who will wise up... by Zerimar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and realize there is a huge market out there for a console that will allow AO games? Can't they just have parental lockout for games with a certain rating, just like DVR's and TV's do now? Why does the entire industry push forward this notion that video games are played primarily by children?

    1. Re:Who will wise up... by GweeDo · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Can't they just have parental lockout for games with a certain rating"

      The Wii, Xbox360 and PS3 already have systems where you can lock out any ESRB rating if you don't know the passcode to play.

  5. Re:::choke:: by brkello · · Score: 2

    No, I disagree. The original video game generation is around 30. Still fairly young for politics. It will take another decade or two before we are in power. And then we will be afraid of something else that the younguns are in to.

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  6. Would we have doom? by oni · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if Doom would make the cut if it were released today.

    1. Re:Would we have doom? by PixelScuba · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, Doom was heavily scrutinized in 1999 for violence, being blamed for the Comumbine shootings... and it was already 6 years old then.

  7. It's all good by Zero+Degrez · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just have rainbows shoot out of someones neck when they are decapitated.

  8. Re:The Mighty PC by Taulin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just to let you know, Hillary is for enforcing game ratings, not stopping games from being made. That means if a retailer sells an AO game to a minor, her laws would make the retailer responsible, not the game maker. Her laws are good, and far different than what Thompson is doing. Nintendo and Sony not distributing AO games is also an entirely different matter not associated with Hillary.

  9. Re:::choke:: by Damvan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dude, you are off by at least 10 years. I am 40, and definately a member of the original video game generation.